Actually the nose, I said it was about 2 inches longer, the If you look at the original pic, the bottom edge of the original bumper is the bottom of the bumper in my drawing... So its not TOO much longer...

BTW, the pic you posted is not coming up...

John

 

ok, i'll try this one then..


about the front overhang, I read it in your original post and was simply offering my opinion..

 

I like it, very original.. Get er done!

EDIT-I only like the first one posted, It looks more natural than the others.

 

I don't, personally, like this one as much...it is too much like a 99-2004 Mustang IMO. :shrug:

I still really like the first one you posted, however.

 

My rendition of a hot rod formula.
About a 1" body drop to get it lower and keep the exhaust and what not high enough so it wouldn't scrape too much. 2" roof chop. 1.5" body section from the lower part of the body. Attempted to put a 4th gen trans am wing on it. Removed the body lines for the ground effects. Rounded the corners a bit. Messed with the nose, not sure i like it too much though. Shaved the moldings and door handles. Also added a black trim panel between the side window and the door window because it'd be needed for weather stripping. And obviously some new rims

 

sexy:hail:

 

I was just outdone!!!

I really like that... AND I like the nose...

The ONLY thing that I have a problem with is the chop, and the channel... My head already hits the T-top shade :shrug:...

thanks for the ideas

John

 

That looks good. Id say go for it. Would actually be easier then you think. As for the strength SFC's will make up for whats cut away. A frame structure built in that spot with a glass window is gonna be just as strong as the thin sheet metal.

look what I did , from t top --> Targa --> Vert!!
When the T bar was cut out and only having SFC's in the car It was just as still as my vert. Then I put the cage in. and made the cut from targa to Vert.

Those who say the verts have more support. Let me tell you its not much. its a RIVETED in steel brace. real SFC's wold have been better.

anyways enough babbling..... GO FOR IT. it will look awesome.

 

Well cool, I kind of forgot I already have SFC's

 

I saved the different stages while i was editing it so here is how it looks without the chop and channel.

 

that chop and channel really looks sleek... can you imagine how low and wide it'd look in person? I also like the fact that you did those pics w/out gfx.. goes well with the slimmer body/roofline and allows for a pretty low stance.

 

I think it looks awesome. Only thing is though, there really are no other rounded off lines on the car. I think it would look better if it ended at an angle or something. I really like it the way Black Ice edited it.

 

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Just my .02 but I really like the way Black Ice did it as well, i think it flows better with the car. I was thinkin kinda like the way the 87-93 Fox Mustangs did it.

I have to agree with whoever it was that said it would be the only place rounded on the car, and I think that especially with the lines of the spoilers a pointy window would be purtier

Either way I say go for it it'll look good.

JaredI


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I'm amazed how good the concept pics look. I like it! You got my vote. John, could you imagine the looks on the faces of the crowd at the nats if you did it! I have got to see that!

 

Doesn't the Evo kit car have quarter windows?

 

Wow. Definitely something to try. I like the look of the original design the most. The firebirds have more curve along the fender top in person than they do in photos, and I think the curved window could really set it off. Black Ice's design is good, too, but it's really derivitive of the Ferrari 308-328, which is not a bad thing, but you run the risk of looking like one of those unfortunate 'Phurrari' Kit-Kars.

The extra window really stretches out the greenhouse, and by eliminating the verical sail panel, makes the whole car look longer and lower.

If I was going to do this, I might try to do it using the rear roof pillars / window surrounds from another production 2-door. probably the Olds Alero or Pontiac Grand Am or Grand Prix. Whichever has a window height close to the thirdgen's side windows. This would be one almighty body-mod, though. by stretching out the sail panels to incorporate side windows, you'd probably have to do away with the hatch, and use a fixed rear window and a conventional trunk panel.

You know, this would close the circle and bring us back to the techniques used by the fathers of Kustom Cars, like Barris, Hines, and Starbird. Swapping roofs or parts of roofs to get the line and profile they were looking for was one the standard procedures in those days.

Damn, it would be cool.

 

I would have to agree, a lot of people do modifications to their car, and some claim that it's hotrodding their car... but I dont think I've seen anyone here with a true hot-rod car.... I think that Fatal88 is about the closest. He put a full 4th gen car into a 3rd gen body, hell even put a 4th gen firewall in the car... very impressive.

I think you should do it man!! Be a hotrodder!!

Unfortunately for more modern cars, they're designed more for safety than anything else, and the old frame bodys were MUCH easier to work with without ruining the car... a simple cut, weld, grind and repaint and they've got a chopped roof and drastically changed look.

We've got to keep in mind that we've got unibody cars, and the body panels are what supports the car, so it has to be done very strategically, or it could be fatal.

 

I happened to look at an Alaro yesterday, and the window looks to be about right... Might be a little shorter than the first pic, but it might be about right. I don't remember what a 2 door Grand am looks like tho I will have to search the net for a pic.

John

 

Assuming the rear side window is the same height, this is what an Alero window would look like ...

John

 

sweet!

~Matt

 

here ya go ....

 

Grand Am rear side window...

John

 

u do it yet

 

u do it yet

 

The Evo does have the window but it is only a visual. Yes you do have to cut a huge hole in the sail panel but the inner part ( where the speaker mounts) is not cut out. The is a option but i may go back one day and redo because by extending and covering up more of the rear window puts a very, very large blind spot in the side of the cars. As far as support goes i think putting in weld in framerails would replace the support you will lose by cutting out the sails. If your worried about a roll over your going to crush the top with the sail panel cut out or not. the only way to not crush the top is with a roll bar.

 

Your Idea is great and i say start chopping!

 

evoluzione1:
is that a pic of your actual car? It looks awesome.

~Matt

 

Yep all mine.
I'm just novice and I done everything from paint to engine build all myself. Any one can do anything once they get past the fear of messing something up. It took a year to get past the fear of body work, priming and painting but once done it came out fine with the exception of a few dry spots that will be worked out over winter.

 

EVO
<applause>
that looks superb..seriously. WOW.
Have you posted more pictures of the car,engine or progress shots.
WOW
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EVO found some more pic's thanks.

 

i have a couple more posted here and there. I don't know how to link you to them. I would suggest looking me up under the members button and then go to the post i posted on.

 

I don't think the mod is all that bad. it does look a little european though. I have seen some mods that look a hell of alot worse than that idea. I say go for it, without imanginative minds all our cars would just look the same. I have to say I did see what would prob be the worst mod ever on a 3rd gen. this past summer at the Car Craft Show in St. Paul Mn a guy had a 3rd gen Camaro, he took the roof off of a K-car and mounted that on the back of the Camaro and it looked like a station wagon Camaro. a buddy of mine has a pic I think, I'll try and have him post it. it is def the ugliest mod I had ever seen on a 3rd gen and the guy had a for sale sign on the car, I think there were more mockers than takers lol.

 

Hi John!
I think the first picture that you show, is by far the best! The rear side window fits just perfect!
Since you are pretty good with the photos, can you show what the rear with the small back window (not the stock wraparound glass) would look like? I think that would be the final selling point!
I think the rear side window gives the car a better 2+2 look, instead of the regular look.
Just think, the rear passengers can see out now!

Good job,

George

 

The new Grand Theft Auto San Andreas game has a car in it that they made look like a Camaro. It has Integra headlights though because they can't fully put a real car in the game. I'll post pics tonight since I'm at work, but they put quarter windows on it so maybe it can give you an idea.

Nice job with the Evo kit evoluzione

~Matt

 

Agreed. I like the first pic best. Also wondering what the camAro would look like.

I like it better than the sail pannels. The flat back window gives it an earlier 70's fastback look like the 70-74 CamAro/Firebird. After seeing the pic, I actually wish that GM had made the 82-92 F-Body like that.

If you build it, it might be stronger on a hard top, but I have a t-top and would rather have them than the hard top.

 

I'm not flaming you, but it's Camaro, not Camero.

I always liked my '73 without the wrap around rear window. :shrug: I've also always liked the thirdgens sail pannel, but okfoz has sort of opened my eyes, too. Not completely, however.

 

Its always the little things that bother everybody.

I went back and fixed it for you.

 

Re...ar...Pass..an...ger? Wha? What is this you speak of?


But seriously. This is a really good idea to change things up. I was always envious of 1stgens and their rear quarter windows. And while I think some of these pictures look good....
This (w/o the front bumper weird thing)...
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/att...postid=2102274
and that...
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/att...postid=2108439

I think it might look weird at any other angle. And as far as the tubular b-pillar idea you have going I think it'd look better without anything there and some sort of c pillar tubular reinforcement. Just butt the windows directly up to each other like later chevelle and such.

Nice idea and good presentation. Now start hacking.

 

Actually I was thinking of more what was on The 95-99 Riviera, the window does butt up to the door window, BUT it is not obvious like it is on the Grand Am where there is a Black strip...

John

 

with those rims and GFX it looks like a 300zx/240sx combined or something wierd. if you made it like the first pic id like to see it done tho...

 

I agree, as I started to think about it, I am traditionally not a fan of GFX on the firebirds... I think on Camaros they look perfect, but on the Firebird line I thought they looked a little out of place...

Considering the GFX have no bearing on the window, if I ever changed my mind I could go back and do it later anyway

John

 

Ok my computer was being a jerk last night, but late tonight when I get back to NJ i'll post those pics. Sorry guys.

~Matt :lala:

 

this looks awesome 1 suggestion and its just a preference thing. post a pic of this without the spoiler, it might emphasize the line of the quarter window and I like them without the spoiler I mean I dont see many vettes with a spoiler they just have that sexy booty you know? also lower it about an inch as in one of the other pics someone suggested that will make it look better when it doesnt have a spoiler otherwise that look friggin sick man!

 

This pic looks a lot like a Lotus to me

 

I really like the idea and you def. have the right way to go about it. i would say go for it and if you ever figure out a way to do the C6 style headlight make a post for that that would be awesome.
with your other ideas about the car the only thing i would change is shaving off the antannea. SICK IDEA