i know its kinda general and not exactly body. but my friend has a 89 rs maro w same powertrain and he said my car feels alot lighter! i know he has the ground effects and stuff but i dont see how my care would be so much lighter?!

 

Theres a weight tag in the door jamb

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The difference will be so minor it wont mean a hill of beans

 

and how did he come to this conclusion? did he pick the car up?

 

lol

 

he said it felt lighter in how it drove, igeuss his feels like a tank lol, i really dont know. i also run no aircleaner and i notice that makes a big differance in power for me so maybe his with the cleaner is slower and feels heavier i geuss??

 

No air cleaner?

Wow.

 

Keep driving it with no air cleaner and I'm sure you will feel a huge power difference sooner or later

 

No aircleaner? you crazy? Well you might be faster now but when your engine is dead you won't be.

 

Haha, quote of the century!

 

ok guys lets get alittle serious in here before he really starts to beleive that running a car without an aircleaner has advantages. im tellin you no matter how crappy your aircleaner is..put it back where it belongs!..or upgrade to an aftermarket one. now the whole weighs less theory can be tested by actually weighing the car..go to a feed mill or any place where the have a weigh scale. the reason why your car may feel lighter to him then his possibly could be found in the suspension portion. as things get worn out and poorly maintained they seize and tighten causing the car to feel like your driving a big snickers bar down the road..the hard chocolate represents the body and part of chassis being nice and stiff and beautiful...then the caramel on the inside is where the suspension plays its roll..literally a "roll". its wavy and flexible and overtime tends to melt away if not properly maintained...and finally the nuts..which is where you come into play because anyone who would drive a thirdgen or any car without an air cleaner is NUTS

 

Put your aircleaner back on... The "big" difference you notice is probably mostly in your head. I'm sure you might notice a little throttle response or something along those lines which makes it FEEL alot faster, but if you ran it down a track back to back with it on and then off, I bet you don't see a bit of difference. You WILL notice a difference when your motor dies from sucking dust through it though.

And traditionally it has always been said that a Firebird is slightly heavier than a Camaro in the same trim. Usually Firebirds are a little more luxo with a few more options. I do not know if these claims have any real substance but I've heard it many times from many different people (and read it a few times too) over the years. Whatever the case, I doubt it's anything substantial that you can feel. Your car undoubtedly was taken better care of and has nicer rubber underneath, hence less sway, hence a tighter, "lighter", feel.

 

thats a good laugh, have u looked at my car??lol its beat to hell and rusty and has a loose mount on the motor or tranny, smokes when i first start it, sometimes suddenly junmps to 2grand at an idle. muffler is cocked to one side and i hear crap loose inside it when its running, his car is nice and. oh and my tranny loses power at wide open throttle after a few seconds ot w.o.t. and it does it worse with the aircleaner on it, doesnt even wanna spin the tires with the air cleaner from a dead start, but will roast them at 10mph roll with it off and chirp into second. the air cleaner is brand new too. i think i have over 200k on it so unless some one wants to run a car fax and tell me i have a lower mile 305 im not going to put the aircleaner back on it. why? i dont like in a dust or desert area..and who knows how long this motor has left anyways, or the tranny for that matter. i love it when people tell me what to do

 

and yet your the same kid with multiple threads about fixing this car up, make up your mind

i dont think anyone honestly cares if your beat up base model firebird takes a crap or not, but its still our job to point out when someone is doing something stupid

at any rate, sounds like its headed to car heaven, I will say a prayer for it, try not to wrap yourself around a tree

 

just another person wh odoesn't care about their third gen... if it was me i'd be trying to save it.....

 

Depending on the year, a Firebird would weigh more or less than another Firebird even.

In 1990 Gm started using ALOT heavier side impact bars in the doors, my 84's doors were noticably lighter then my 90 Formula doors, Both with Manual Windows, Door Locks & Mirrors.

So a 1982 Firebird with a 4 cylinder and a 4 speed without a/c or any power options, would weight alot less than a 1992 Trans Am with a 350, Auto, A/C, Power Everything etc... etc....

So depending on the year of the Camaro, options etc... it may weight more than your Bird.

 

Not sure if its true but I always heard that the firebirds weighed a little more because of the flip up headlights but they were more areodinamic thats why a lot of people used them for the salt flats. also the gound effects do add some weight to the veihcals and no aro advantage. just stuff I've herd though the years no t sure if any of it is true.
Oh and if you think your engine is on the last leg why do you want to finish it off quicker by not running an air fillter I would think you would be tring to make it last as long as posibale so you could have one ready to go in when it happens.

 

ok well for one im 31, not not really a kid, second i drive the car less than 5 miles a month. third ive already wrecked a few cars, i dont try to do that anymore just for insurance purposes. fourth i dont think this motor is worth rebuilding when i can get a 350 at the boneyard for 75 bucks for a long block and rebuild it. so i dont think i will ruin it driving it to the store every blue moon for 2 blocks.
im here to learn.... and some peoples approach to giving out advice is somewhat abrasive or annoying...and everyone says get rid of the 305.so im not seeing a real reason to be nice to it.basically i dont drive the car since have no insurance on it anyhow.either way i will give in and put the air cleaner back on it. its just its a mess, it leaks out the valve covers and causes smoke when driving sometimes, it hard to want to put alot of time or love into the power train. the body im cleaning up. since im considering making a nice track car out of it to race
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oh and isnt a base model fire bird a 4banger or v6?? this is a 305 s/e is that a base model bird still?

 

my 84 s/e has power everything and a 305 his Rs is pretty similar, same stuff but tbi 305 i geuss, its like a 89 rs

 

the answer is obvious.

 

LMFAO

 

haha

 

yeah, ok, so you claim your 16 in another post, that your too young to even get into a junkyard to get a new fender, and now your 31
your creepy, go away.

and yes, it is, you can get a 305 in a base model.

edit: I think I mis-remembered the other thread, so my apologies in advance, no hard feelings eh ;p

and that picture really does clear everything up, we need more visual explanations

 

that was the kid who posted in my thread, u need to read better, i hate idiots who jumjp to conclusions and call people creepy. im 31 get over it and reread the thread, the kid was saying he couldnt get in, i said its 16 w parent where i go, i didnt say im 16. so STFU

 

Those illistrations are priceless, I love how big bird is closer in weigh to a maro than the other birds lol

 

big bird is relatively heavy.

 

NO PROBLEM, DISREGARD IT, JUST TRY NOT TO BE SO QUICK TO GET NASTY CALLING PEOPLE CREEPY

 

Calm down dude....

 

Lock the thread please.

 

I wasn't being "abrasive". I was simply trying to give you advice on the situation. They are simply text words, and nowhere in my post did I say anything unkind or aggressive. You can interpret them how you want... Try reading them in a better mood if you think I had an attitude. Sorry for any misunderstanding otherwise.

And everything you listed might not mean much. He might have a nicer car, but maybe it was driven in the snow for some years and has deteriorated rubber all around? Is this a man that is reasonably familiar with automobile suspension in general? There are plenty of intelligent people out there that will say a car with a heavier pull on the steering wheel feel "heavier" in general. It could be 1000 things.

But facts are facts... And being a reasonable man of 31, you must realize that unless your air cleaner has a rag stuck in the snorkel somewhere or the most plugged element ever known to mankind... The difference between it being off and on will be almost completely audible. It will most certainly not allow the car to suddenly be able to roast from 10 mph when it couldn't before, other changes are responsible for that fact. And with all the talk of WOT problems and air cleaners making a huge difference... I'd be looking for interference with your throttle pressure cable and/or linkage.

 

SOME TAB ON THE CARB NEAR THE CHOKE IS BENT, the secondaries were stuck even after cleaning everything with carb spray. finally freed it up and its really funny you mention a rag because there was some of those blue paper towel things you get at the gas station shoved in the snorkel!!! i found them yesterday when i put the cleaner back on. now it drives much better...gee i wonder why , lol. anyways i was talking to u really but more the comment about my age, and we cleared that one up, so lets move on with that.
yeah the camaro guy doesnt know jack about cars, and i havent driven his myself so i dont know.but anyways the illustrations with bidbird seem to point ot a bird being lighter ,lol!!!!----------
you mis interpreted any emotion behind this, im not up set, infact i was kinda saying sorry for my part in a round about way, but anyways everything is fine

 

This topic has been quite entertaining!

When the pi$$ing contest starts, rarely is anyone man enough to apologise let alone back-off.

What was the original question again?

 

i would think that if you had both cars with the same exact options, the camaro would be lighter.. have you seen the headlight assembly on a bird?? about 15-20lbs of motor and levers.. EACH.. and the fenders are longer.. more metal surrounding the rear tail lights..(the camaro lights are bigger=more plastic)

 

I would imagine both cars are relatively the same weight...... i doubt its really anything noticable.... but you never know, depending on mods too

 

The difference does seem so minimal that the driver's weight (or if there's a passenger) or how much fuel is in the tank might be of greater influence.

 

i would have to think a bird weighs more as said above, but thought there may have been something differant as far as inner structure of the unibody goes