when i bought my camaro a week ago i got it with a custom made box for the back(sealed) that was built for 2-12" solo-baric subs now my question is should i go with the L7's or the L5's i dont want anythign super loud just something that hits pretty hard. i know the L5's are significantly cheaper than the L7's and that is a good thing but how do they rate in quality to the L7's i also plan on using a amp about 600-700 watts RMS. (most likely kicker.) let me know what you guys think.

 

Well one thing is that the L7's take a little more juice to pump them. The 12" L7 takes 750 rms while the L5 takes 600 rms.

If you power both L5's to recommend'd rms they should be pretty loud. You just gotta make sure you power them right. Just like a 18" sub is gonna sound like crap with 500 watts going to it... but a 12" will sound amazing compared to the 18" with the same power.

Just an idea.

 

well this is the amp i was thinking of getting.

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S...=0&cc=01&avf=N

and i think ill go with L5"s and also what ohm should i get? 2 or 4

 

if you gave 600 watts to both subs, thatd be 300 each, which is only half the reccammended power for a 12" L5, might want to get a stronger amp?

 

well if i run them off of the same channel they would both bet getting 600Watts.

 

You're logic is flawed. Let me explain. The kicker kx600.1 is a mono amp. That means it puts out the 600 watts at what ever ohms, in this case 600 at 2 ohms. If you could run it down to 1 ohm you could pull 1200 out of it i theory course you make it die a horrible death. But I doubt you can at all. Else why would kicker make a 1200.1 that puts out 1200 watts at 1 ohm??

So when you think the amp is putting out 600 watts that's what it puts out (well a little more but that's another story). So you have this amp that's able to give out 600 watts when you use 1 sub the amp goes here's all power and give 600 watts. But when you have 2 subs on the same amp, the amp goes CRAP I have to split my power to each of these guys and only gives 300 watts to each.

So really with that amp you're underpowering the subs. Also crutchfield will stick it to you hardcore on prices try other places too. For that price you're paying at crutchfield you could get a 1200.1 kicker from www.purecaraudio.com and still come out like 7 bucks ahead. Or better yet you could get from www.ikesound.com they have kx1200.1 for 425 bucks! and the kx600.1 for 270!

 

The ohms refer to wiring you're planning on using. This gets even more complicated. Theres ways to run subs off of one amp and change there final ohm ratings (normally lower final ohms you get the more power the amp will push [if it's stable]).

Ok now it gets even more confusing. Those subs are Dual Voice Coils (DVCs) That means you have 2 voice coils on each sub, which in term means you will have 2 positive and 2 negative hookups on each sub. I know I probably confused you, so here's a good wiring site. http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/wiring/index.html

Take a look at this page http://jlaudio.com/tutorials/dvc/index.html It will tell you about voice coils and what DVC really means.

I would recommend getting a big amp 1200.1 or so and powering both subs off it. In that case you would want the picture that says 2 DVC drivers with Voice Coils in Parallel / Parallel
which would give you 1 ohm final with Dual 4 ohm subs. Course if you chose another amp that all you need'd was 2 ohms to get 1200 watts like the JBL 1200.1 then you would want to get dual 2 ohm subs and wire them like 2 DVC drivers with Voice Coils in Series / Parallel.

Ok, I'm done I'm confusing myself now.

 

ok but if i wire them up in 2 ohm seeing is there is one + and one - on the 600.1 then it would be putting 600 wats out and both subs would be 600 watts its like running them as the same channel just two speakers. also those sites you posted. will kicker back the warranty then? i dont really wana spend 800 on an amp. and i want all kicker that will be shown. i have plans. (i plan on painting the grills or the subs the same color as my carn and the casing for the amp the same also) and some nice color matching wires too.

 

I still don't see why you just don't get the kx1200.1 I don't really see a way to pump 600 watts out of the kx600.1 to both of those subs. The power would split and you would only get 300 per sub. With the 1200.1 at 1 ohm you could get 600 to each.

Look here you can get a kx1200.1 for less than what you were going to pay for a kx600.1 http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/643

 

I looked it up the kx600.1 is only listed as 2 ohm stable... so I'm guessing it's not stable at 1 ohm like the 1200 is. Otherwize kicker wouldn't be making the 2 amps they would just make one.

 

1. If you are to get a Kicker 600 watt amp, it will be pushing more than 600 watts. Probably closer to 700-750 range.
2. A kicker 600 watt amp pushing two 12" L5s will be very loud. Not as loud as with 1200 watts obviously, but very loud.

If you dont want to spend the cash, dont listen to these guys. They are telling you how to get the best out of the subs. You dont HAVE to do that. If you are not wanting to shake the entire block with bass, you will be more than happy with 2 12" kicker L5s and a kicker 600 watt amp.

My buddy has 2 12" kicker L7s being pushed by a JBL 1200.1 @4ohms(so 600 watts rms) They POUND . He paid about $550 for all of it, off of ebay.

Brian

 

He said he wanted Kicker amps though. I love the JBLs also. I have 2 of them in my car! One on each 18" CVR. I'm just saying why not get the 1200.1 for 425 bucks when he was planning on spending 500 bucks for a 600.1 from crutchfield.

 

yea but will it still be covered by waranty? and yea i dont need 1200 watts i just want some bass. im kinda limitied in what i have for subs choices. i got a custom box with the car that was built for 2-12" solo-barics. now he did have 2 L7's in it with a 1200 watt amp and the box was tuned just right if he turned it up loud enugh it would shatter the back window. my reasons for going with l5's are because i dont need something super loud i just need some bass! and i knwo that crutchfield isnt the cheapest but at least if i buy form them it is covered by warranty.

 

ikesound is cover'd under warranty too. Most places are. You just have to call and ask them.

Hmm that's kind of impression hearing of a back window shattering (don't think I would believe unless I seen it though). I was once told a 15" CVR would blow a hatch clean off the fbody and one audio shop told me I shouldn't even thing about putting 18s in a hatchback. My 18" kickers with 1300+ watts going to each only make the hatch bounce a little bit. Heck the sound comp car with 9 12" Concepts that hit 152 db didn't even do that.

 

yup saw him do it the first time. he didnt even mean to. must have hit the right note at the right time at the right loudness(cant think of a better word right now). actually it was the only time too.

 

ikesound is not covered by our warranty coverage. If you do the Kicker KX6001, which is about 650-725 watts really, you'd be best bet to get two DVC 2 ohm L5 12's. If you do the bigger amp, the Kicker KX12001, get two DVC 4 ohm L7's.

Both don't like small sealed...ported would really let them shine. Call Sounddomain for a price comparison...they are covered by full warranty. Many out there say they do...but don't/can't offer the warranty, after the sale.

 

awsome i see you live in stillwater! i have family that lives there! well ive decided on what im going with now


2-Kicker Solo-baric l5's
1-KX800.2
1-Kicker Resolution 6.1 component set
1-Kicker Resolution 5.1 component set
1-KX 800.4

what do you all think of that set up? can you tell im a kicker fan? the subs will be going in a sealed box as that is what i got with the car and it will do just fine.

 

NICE!

 

HOLYSHIET!!!!! I THINK ILL BUY THE STUFF OFF OF THE NON-WARRANTEED SITES! OVER 2 GRAND FOR ALL THAT STUFF *** DAMN! it was only a grand on etronics.com.

 

ok im gonna be getting a two channel amp. once sub per channel and to get it to run 400 wats per channel i need it to get a two ohm load. now does that mean 2 ohms total or 2 ohms per channel. also would i need a 4 ohm or 2 ohm sub. it will DVC so keep that in mind.

 

Yup.
Sounddomain- $1819.70 shipped
Ikesound- $1086.10 plus shipping

Big difference! But the reason is mainly:
"Please note that we are NOT authorized Kicker internet dealers. The warranty on any item purchased at Ikesound.com is ONLY through Ikesound.com."

But if you do decide to go through an authorized dealer, you wont be sorry with kickers waranty.

Brian

 

`anybody know what i would ohm subs i would need to get a ohm load?

 

with the 8002, get two DVC 4's and wire for a 4 ohm load....

yea, I live in Stillwater....so you have family here?

 

if i wire it for a 4ohm load it will only put out 200wattsx2 though wouldnt it. i want 400x2. and yes i have family that live is stillwater.

 

the 800.2 is 800 watts at a 4 ohm mono load, so actually each would see the 400 watts. But, for a tad more, the KX12001 would be a better fit, being class D, remote gain and 1400-1500 watts...

wouldn't be a bunch of college girls would it.

 

nope not a bunch of college girls. its my aunt and uncle. i need to do some more looking on this amp. this is all confusing me! damn wiring stuff.

 

ok so it says that it puts out 400wattsx2 channels at 2 ohms. so i take it that that means each channel would need to be 2 ohms correct? so that would be a total of 4 ohms right? so what ohm subs would i need to make a 2 ohm load per sub. if anyone has a link to a site that explains the wiring stuff please post.

 

luckily you have me here... since I work for Kicker...

the 800.2 does 800 watts into a 4 ohm mono load, and 400x2 into a 2 ohm stereo mode.

The 800.2 is a class A/B amplifier...it will draw more current and be less effecient than a class D amp. Hence why most people use class D amps on subwoofers.
But the Kicker KX600.1 which is a smaller version of the KX12001 will do roughly 700-750 watts. It would even almost be a better amp than the 800.2. With a tad less power, but will be more forgiving on your electronic system.
But, the KX12001, the biggest class D we currently make, will do roughly 1400-1500 watts mono. So now, into a 1 ohm load (which two DVC 4 ohm subs will also wire too) will put 700 to each sub, over 400 watts.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

 

here ya go...

http://www.cbrstereo.com/dual_voice_...g_tutorial.htm

 

yea but the 1200.1 is way too much amp. i dont wanna be that loud. so you think it would be better if i used the 600.1 then? also how does the amp im wanting to power my components look?

 

8004 is perfect...you could actually use the 600.4 and a 600.1 on the subs and be fine, IMHO

 

but with the 600.1 it wont be to quite right? i want it to be lound but not 1200+watts loud. and you think the 800.4 will be perfect for the components. even tho (i think its the fronts set) is only rated at 90 watts rms and the amp is 100

 

It will still be loud with those subs. Like I said above, my buddy has two L710's with a JBL1200.1 running at 4ohm(600 watts). That amp probably pushes about 650rms. So he is getting 325rms to each L710 and they POUND!
If you were to get a Kicker 600.1, you will be getting a good amount of CLEAN power to those L5s and they will still POUND.
And it will save you some $$$

Brian

 

ok so you guys think i should go with the 600.1. then should i get the 600.4 or should i still get the 800.4? i kinda want my amp for my subs to be biger than the amp for the components.

 

ok if i go with the 600.1 and the 800.4 both require 4 gauge power and ground wires would 2 gauge wire to the distro block work or would it be best to still go with 1/0 gauge. also i will want to put a cap on it too. so what would be a good cap that would look good with this system. i am planning on using purple speaker wire and purple power wire and clear ground. and i plan on painting the grills for the subs and the metal case for the amp purple to match my car. so what would be a good cap to go with it. preferably one that is a black or gray with purple accents. also what is a good distro block clear and or purple would be prefered.
also should i get a 1 farad or 1.5 farad cap?

 

do the o gauge to a distribution block, 2 gaige or 4 out to amp. Then, I would still choose the 600.4...

 

ok sounds like i got it figured out!


the speakers are the same but now i will use a 600.1 amp and a 600.4 amp

 

That is going to one loud clean system. You will be very happy with your setup. When are you going to get it?

 

as the money comes in. i should have everything ordered by mid to late january. but it wont be going in until late march or early april. im curious what yall think of how it will look? with the purple accents and all since my car is purple im trying to match it.

 

Should look good. You could make a amp rack and put some plexi on it and throw a purple neon in it.

 

hmm interesting idea! wish i had more access to my car right now to get some measurements to make it. then carpet it to match my int. and make the plexy window in the shape of a bow tie! damn that is a good idea! but i think if i do that i wotn paint the shrouds on the amp purple then.

 

If you want the factory warranty on all your stuff, just go through sounddomain.com and have them do a pricematch on the prices from ikesound.com. Quick, easy, painless.

 

will they really match the price? If so, I will be buying everything from them from now on!

Brian

 

i bought a kicker 10" L5 subwoofer from soundomain, and they have a 105% price match policy, i matched it to ikesound.com's $120 price, and sounddomain does free shipping on a lot of kicker stuff, so i got to sub to my door for around $120.

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