I listen to pretty much strictly old school Metallica and metal rock of that time. I don't need anything elaborate, like one 8" or 10" sub. It'll be hooked up to one Rockford Fosgate 500a2 amp (500 watts). All i want is a single sub as I listen to basically no rap or hip hop music. I looked at the Kicker square subs but people here don't seem to like them. Please give me you recommendation.

 

Those sguare Kicker subs you speak of, are off the hook. One of those 12"s or two of those 8"s will definately give your Metallica music something to feel. But there are better subs. check out JL Audio. You got a pretty good amp, might be too much for an 8".. i would get atleast one 12"

 

Personally i love everything that kicker makes. My 87IROC is a kicker/pioneer poster child. I have kicker 4x6's and one C-series 12in solo-baric with a zr240(350x1). Pioneer 6x9's and pioneer deck and smaller pioneer amp for the 6x9's.
I have a VERY custom box that was made by me and my father. I don't know how hard the thing its but it does the job for me, although i'm possibly looking into a 600watt amp sometime later on after the performance mods are done(which will never happen )

But i would say if your looking for a kick *** metallica sub i'd go with a nice kicker sub or even rockford fosgate, my friend has 2 RF 15's in his 92rs and while listening to Dyer's Eve from and justice for all i could swear that lars was hitting me in the back of the head with the bass petal!!!

Oh yea i'm a die hard metallica fan too.. Forget that rap ****!

Brendan

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I listen to similar music (and other stuff, too) and the Square Solo-Baric L7's are awesome. 500 watts may not be enough for a 12" though, so maybe a 10 would be fine for you. I'm running a Kicker DX700 on my 12", and it could easily use more!

I would reccomend a single 12" though, like one of the "C" series solo-baric's (Many stores still have some around) They sound awsome, and require a small enclosure.

Good luck!

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i listen to everything and i have a friend with 2 of the kicker 12's they arent all that.. mostly looks. something new. for the money i would buy a normal speaker and sound just as good those square speakers take more to run as well because of the resistance the corners put on the speakers. buy the normal solo baric speaker and save you some bucks. with a 500 amp and you only want 1 sub a good 12" would do the job.
Shawn

 

But a 10" would be too small you're saying? I want a quick moving speaker. I'm coming off of 2 RF 12" DVC speakers, I'm selling them and wanna just go to one speakers. One main reason I'm selling the speakers because I felt they were slow responsive. So that's why i'm leaning towards 8" or 10".

 

PPI Power Class Pro 10's sound damn nice. Perfect for tight, punchy, hard pounding bass. http://www.precisionpower.net hehehe part of the demo was, before the guy turned them on, he punched one.. No damage at all done to them since the diaphragm is made of carbon fiber skin with a nomex honeycomb core.

 

resistance in the corners? That's funny. We designed them and if you look at how the corners work, there are no spots of resistance. That's about as crazy as the owner of another "un-named" company said they would "Put out a square sound wave"..LOL!
Put and L7 in a ported box and hand them the power and let 'em fly.
Short on power, either get the old style or Comp VR's.
Later.

 

It's still a matter of physics that a non-round driver is going to result in an uneven distribution of force, and it is inevitable that the corners are going to have higher stresses than the rest of the surround. I'm sure that the corners have been designed with this in mind (at least I sure as hell hope so), but it doesn't change the fact that the forces are uneven. In the long term, I still think the corners are going to break down or stretch or loosen or whatever faster than the rest. I'm also assuming that the voice coil is still round, so you have another entire matrix of uneven forces at both ends of the cone and spider. This could result in any number of potential problems.

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see jim knows what i am talking about the square speakers arent all that i dont care who designed them. i heard them with a kicker amp and they werent all that for the price.
Shawn

 

one 10 would be okay or even 2 10's with that amp. just make sure that the 10 can handle your amps power.
Shawn

 

Don't put words in my mouth dude. I'm skeptical, but that doesn't mean that they aren't a quality product. I'm a HUGE Kicker fan and I have little doubt that they have the proper research invested in their design. I'm just skeptical because they haven't been out long enough to really be tested for long term durability.

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DO NOT BUY THE SQUARE SUBS!!! all I saw was square subs and didnt even read the rest of the posts before replying, sorry if someone has said somthing since, I'll admit the square subs look nice, but in talking to audio reps, they say its 1980's technology re-introduced, they never made it in the 80's they were junk then (I forget his reasons) and they are junk still he says. Just me .02



------------------[*] Some women driver blew a stop sign and totalled this car last night
86 Firebird, 305 4bbl, Flowmaster 80 series.

Sound System: Pioneer Head Unit, 2 Ground Zero 12" Nuclear Series Subs, Rockford Fosgate wiring, Crappy Amp untill July

Work to be done in July: New Engine (383 or bigger) New worked 700R4, power Sunroof, Kobel predator Body kit, Ram Air II hood, Rims, Tires, 1.5" lowering springs, and re-done interior...I want yellow and black but the 4th gen conversions look tempting, oh yeah painting it Yellow also

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Hey Man, Dont Be A Square,
Youll sound like Crap, and have no quality, if ya want some loud thump for spl, theyll kick, but otha than that dont hang out with lozas like that,

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have any of u guys actually heard these square subs or are u quoating Car Stereo Review? They pound in the right kind of box...i'm not say they are the best out there but they damn good speakers

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LOL! That's why Mark Eldridge is World Champion is both USAC and IASCA and he has 3 L7 15's.....hmmmmm, names like Gary Biggs,Rob Rice,Frank R.,Markey Deitrich,etc...and the rep that said they didn't work in the 80's...ha, well would you buy an amp they tried to design in the 80's, or one they did in 2001? hmmmm.And he must not be a Kicker rep,ours love selling the heck out of them. And we did long term testing, we only spent over 3 years designing them.
There are great woofers out there, and I don't like to talk trash on them either. But for someone to say they don't sound good, just isn't looking at the facts, and who isdoing what at IASCA and USAC, and what gear they are running.
And if they don't sound good, there must be some terrible judges in the lanes that are just deaf, but I doubt it.
Any speaker can sound good, if it ius used in it's intended enclsure and power. if you move one way or another, you can loose both.
My $.02 worth.........

 

Markolc,
Its really matter of personal preference assuming all other varibles are the same, ie quality, sound, warranty yada yada.
Take some of your favoritie CD's and listen to different setups and get the sub you like.
Personally, I run 2 Kicker amps (ZR600 and 654ix) and 2 12" solobarics off a Pioneer 77DH HU and Pioneer 4x6 plate fronts and factory rear speakers. The Pioneer speakers sound harsh to me but a boat load better than factory speakers. Be sure to check warranties, customer service, etc. I sent Kicker one of my Class A stock solobaric subs (work for about 2 hours) and received Class B stock to replace it so watch out for sh$! like that.
My 02

 

alright sorry Jim85iroc i didnt mean for me to put words in your mouth. And to the guy asking if we have heard them read my post smart guy. My friend has since switched the speakers out of his cavalier and into his eclipse they sound way better in the car so i'll take back some of bad talk, i can admit when i am somewhat wrong. ah well the hatch back helps alot. so they hit but i still doubt the square.
Shawn

 

Not to try to correct anything, but you mean a -1, which is a rebuilt speaker. Not a B Stock.And that has been the that way for at least the 13 years that I have been here, for everyone.The rebuilt speaker is totally new, the only used part is the basket and magnet. the coil,cone,surround,etc is completely new.That's how alot of manufacturers do it. Play's the same.

 

Ok personally I recommend the subs I use if you have the money and the power to run them, ground Zero Engineering Nuclear series are the best subs I have ever heard for deep pounding bass, they arent the best for mid bass, but thats not what I bought them for. they run 900 watts RMS and have been reviewed to play around 1500 with no problems or distortion.


about these square subs....yeah Im not denying they sound good, almost any sub sounds good unless you buy it out of a basement for $15 and a used bike frame. The rep who told me they suck is a rep from a store, not a company, they do not sell Kicker at that store but he reccomends what he likes, they dont sell Ground Zero but thats what he told me to buy, so I guess that argument is gone. I admit I love Kicker solo-baric, round subs, but I just dont like the sqaure subs kicker has out now.......

Poledude from kicker will you admit or confirm that it is basically 80's technology re-done.



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Sound System: Pioneer Head Unit, 2 Ground Zero 12" Nuclear Series Subs, Rockford Fosgate wiring, Crappy Amp untill July

Work to be done in July: New Engine (383 or bigger) New worked 700R4, power Sunroof, Kobel predator Body kit, Ram Air II hood, Rims, Tires, 1.5" lowering springs, and re-done interior...I want yellow and black but the 4th gen conversions look tempting, oh yeah painting it Yellow also

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There never really was a square woofer that came to market in the '80's that lasted. Steve Irby, our owner and President had a conversation with several top executives like Lyoyd Ivey of MTX for example, he came over and told Steve they have been working for years to make a sqaure woofer, and couldn't ever get it to work, and congradulated him. So 80's technology it's not.
I'm not saying they are the best either, but to say they don't sound good, well that I can prove different. But perfectly the best,no they are not the best, because until the big man upstairs builds a speaker,nothing will be perfect.
Different combos, different power,different installs,different cars,and different ears will play a part in anyone judgement.
later man!

 

Im not saying that the L7s are bad speakers, but for less money you can go get an audiobahn ten or twelve and itll pound just as hard if not harder

i use em and love em
email me for info
shawngmitter@hotmail.com

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Not to try to correct anything, but you mean a -1, which is a rebuilt speaker. Not a B Stock. And that has been the that way for at least the 13 years that I have been here, for everyone.The rebuilt speaker is totally new, the only used part is the basket and magnet. the coil,cone,surround,etc is completely new. That's how alot of manufacturers do it. Play's the same.

Polecat,
Im just stating facts based on my experience thats all. You may very well be correct that its referred to as A-1 by Kicker. Im just going on what two different authorized Kicker dealers call them "Class B". Im also aware of the differences between Class A and Class B stock. Having said that, the Class B (A-1) sub sent to me as a replacement for the new Class A sub I paid full price for has nevered worked. I cant comment on the policies and procedures for other manufacturers because I have no experience with any mfg other than Kicker.
Later

 

Has anyone ever heard of or heard ground zero nuclear series subs playing, or has anyone even ever seen them, they are some sweet fat surround subs, they better be for $440 each.[*] ya like the custom fitting box for the rear well. It was only $74.00!



------------------[*] Some women driver blew a stop sign and totalled this car last night
86 Firebird, 305 4bbl, Flowmaster 80 series.

Sound System: Pioneer Head Unit, 2 Ground Zero 12" Nuclear Series Subs, Rockford Fosgate wiring, Crappy Amp untill July

Work to be done in July: New Engine (383 or bigger) New worked 700R4, power Sunroof, Kobel predator Body kit, Ram Air II hood, Rims, Tires, 1.5" lowering springs, and re-done interior...I want yellow and black but the 4th gen conversions look tempting, oh yeah painting it Yellow also

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[This message has been edited by 86FyrBrd (edited February 07, 2001).]

 

That sure does look like a very small enclosure!?!?!? How many ft. cubed??

 

Not sure of exact measures but the subs only require 1.27 sq ft. and the box is hollow all the way through except a divider inside so its probobly about 2-3 sq ft sealed air space, I have it filled with polyfill pillow stuffing to lessen airspace....works great!

------------------[*] Some women driver blew a stop sign and totalled this car last night
86 Firebird, 305 4bbl, Flowmaster 80 series.

Sound System: Pioneer Head Unit, 2 Ground Zero 12" Nuclear Series Subs, Rockford Fosgate wiring, Crappy Amp untill July

Work to be done in July: New Engine (383 or bigger) New worked 700R4, power Sunroof, Kobel predator Body kit, Ram Air II hood, Rims, Tires, 1.5" lowering springs, and re-done interior...I want yellow and black but the 4th gen conversions look tempting, oh yeah painting it Yellow also

AOL screen name= madbiker1

 

IF YOU REALY WANT A 10 OR AN 8, I WOULD GO WITH A FOSGATE POWER 10 WITH A PORTED BOX. I HAVE 2 10'S WITH A PUNCH 200 AND THEY HIT HARD!!!!IF I WAS TO GO WITH ONE SPEAKER WITH THAT AMP I WOULD GET A POWER 12. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BLOWING IT. MY BUDDY HAS 3 POWER 12'S AND 2 50M'S IN A T-BIRD SC AND IT COULD STOP YOUR HEART!!!!!!!!

 

I got an infinity 10 that's what it is called it's a 10 inch sub and it has a peak wattage of 1400 watts i listen to rock and rap and this sub is perfect no excessive vibration so the bird falls to pieces but it's got some wicked thump

 

Just my opinion... From what I read, it's really hard to calculate the correct design a ported enclosure. Some recommend using a software program to help in the design. I think it's safe to say that most enclosures are nothing more than partical board, glue, and carpet. No real thought of air space, etc, taken in to consideration. I just put bought a 10" bazooka tube for my camaro. It's fits nicely in the back, sounds great, and I know that the enclosure was specifically designed for the driver. Before I recieve hate mail, let me just say.. I'm sure other enclosures can sound just as good, if not better. In this world of high tech tuning equipment and awesome sounding stereo imaging and staging, why over look something as important as the enclosures the drivers sit in. This is just my opinion.

john

 

I refuse to think some one who has a Pioneer head unit knows it all. In car audio as well as home audio you pay for quality.

 

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1983 CHEVROLET CAMARO with a 1986
305 C.I.D.V8 BORED .030 OVER
HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP
FLAT-TOP PISTONS
MILD CAM
3" CAT BACK EXHAUST W/ FLOWMASTER MUFFFLER
KEYSTONE CLASSIC WHEELS.
B&M RATCHET SHIFTER
STAGE THREE SHIFT KIT
(she'll spin em into third)

MUSTANGS SUCK

 

Hollow? As in, not sealed? High excursion subs like those need a VERY rigid and 100% airtight box or you're asking for big trouble and horrible sound. I would strongly reccomend that you build a complete, sealed box from 3/4" MDF for those subs. You may even want to internally brace the box.

By the way, polyfill helps fool the sub into thinking it's in a larger enclosure, so it's not going to help take up space like you think. Remove it and add some wooden blocks to take up the space. Better yet, just build the new box to the proper size.



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