Primary throttle plates "whistling?" Here's a possible cause!
Primary throttle plates "whistling?" Here's a possible cause!
On rare occasion I run across a QJet with "whistling" primary throttle plates. They scream their heads off at idle and part throttle. I jsut had one today that was doing it. I had just rebuilt it and had even made sure the throttle plates were properly centered in their bores (a regular thing I do whenever I do a rebuild). Figured out the problem dead-bang, though. Something I had done to fix it in the past worked again today, so I'm thinking this may be a semi-common problem with a fairly reliable solution.
The original primary throttle plates had their edges kinda "buggered up." Not bad, but you could tell they had been treated not so good by a previous owner(s). Tiny little nicks and dings here and there. Stuff you could only see up close and personal.
I took off the exposed thread tips of the throttle plate screws with a dremel (factory mashes them flat so you can't unscrew them without doing this) and yanked the plates off. I replaced them with a good set of throttle plates off a junk QJet, and centered them back up in their bores again, same as before.
No more wistling!
Factory QJets on a stock engine often idle with the primaries almost fully closed- a very tiny gap between the throttle plate and the throttle bore. My theory is that the little nicks-n-dings around the ege of the throttle plates disrupted the airflow through that tight area enough to cause a resonance- that high pitched squealing.
Just for QJets? Well, I guess in theory any type of carb could suffer this problem. It's just that the primary throttle plates are very thin on a QJet so it's highly susceptible to this type of problem. Certainly if you've got a Holley or Eddy that likes to "sing" it's worth a close look at the edges of the throttle plates!
The original primary throttle plates had their edges kinda "buggered up." Not bad, but you could tell they had been treated not so good by a previous owner(s). Tiny little nicks and dings here and there. Stuff you could only see up close and personal.
I took off the exposed thread tips of the throttle plate screws with a dremel (factory mashes them flat so you can't unscrew them without doing this) and yanked the plates off. I replaced them with a good set of throttle plates off a junk QJet, and centered them back up in their bores again, same as before.
No more wistling!
Factory QJets on a stock engine often idle with the primaries almost fully closed- a very tiny gap between the throttle plate and the throttle bore. My theory is that the little nicks-n-dings around the ege of the throttle plates disrupted the airflow through that tight area enough to cause a resonance- that high pitched squealing.
Just for QJets? Well, I guess in theory any type of carb could suffer this problem. It's just that the primary throttle plates are very thin on a QJet so it's highly susceptible to this type of problem. Certainly if you've got a Holley or Eddy that likes to "sing" it's worth a close look at the edges of the throttle plates!
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
hmm, could this whistling sound be confused with a vacuum leak?
Also, have you ever had to replace the shaft bushings? are those available to buy ?
Also, have you ever had to replace the shaft bushings? are those available to buy ?
Not likely to be confused with a vacuum leak. Vacuum leak is like a sucking sound, this kind of whistling is high pitched and can be heard from a block away. EEEEEEEEEEEE!!! The whistling also has no adverse effects on the engine running properly like a vacuum leak would- it's just really annoying.
I have replaced throttle shaft bushings many times, though not personally. I usually outsource it to a local shop, but I am waiting for the special reamer necessary to start doing them myself. The bushing kit is nothing special- about $25 from the shop where I get them. The reamer you need to drill out the worn out throttle shaft holes is $50 and there's really no way to do the job properly without it.
I have replaced throttle shaft bushings many times, though not personally. I usually outsource it to a local shop, but I am waiting for the special reamer necessary to start doing them myself. The bushing kit is nothing special- about $25 from the shop where I get them. The reamer you need to drill out the worn out throttle shaft holes is $50 and there's really no way to do the job properly without it.
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
hmm, ok, I might be able to borrow a reamer from my work...
I figured the bushing kit would be a very rare part, and next to impossible to obtain... Are the ones you get, a certain common brand? ie edelbrock, niehoff etc ?
I'll look into that, in my unending vacuum leak search...
I figured the bushing kit would be a very rare part, and next to impossible to obtain... Are the ones you get, a certain common brand? ie edelbrock, niehoff etc ?
I'll look into that, in my unending vacuum leak search...
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