Carburetors Carb discussion and questions. Upgrading your Third Gen's carburetor, swapping TBI to carburetor, or TPI to carburetor? Need LG4 or H.O. info? Post it here.

CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 31, 2022 | 09:53 AM
  #1  
72buickgs's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 735
Likes: 114
From: Windsor, On
Car: 1984 Trans AM
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700-4r
Axle/Gears: 3.23
CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

My Trans AM has QJ & no CCC stuff. Juat a simple QJ like I had in my '72 Buick GS.
My engine is 305 with 150 hp. Would the cfm rating be 650?
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2022 | 12:42 PM
  #2  
aliceempire's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,100
Likes: 180
From: Milwaukee
Car: 92 Firebird, 77 Trans Am SE, 86 Z28
Engine: 5.7 HSR, T/A 6.6, empty
Transmission: T-5, TH350, T-5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 posi, 3.23 posi, 3.23
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Only 2 cfm versions of a qjet I've ever heard of were 750 and 800. The key to having a large cfm number like that to something so low on power was the secondarys only open enough per the engine demands (if calibrated correctly). The primaries being small and the secondaries being "variable" make the "large" cfm work.
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2022 | 02:11 PM
  #3  
Fast355's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 10,430
Likes: 500
From: Hurst, Texas
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

The later Q-Jets are typically the larger primary venturi 850 cfm model and they have a tab on the air door that restricts its opening down to about 650 cfm. Edelbrock used the same casting for their Performer RPM 850cfm Q-Jets. Just have to adjust the air door opening correctly to get ~850 cfm on them not that a 305 needs it or could ever use more than the ~650 stock.







Last edited by Fast355; Jul 31, 2022 at 02:18 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2022 | 03:50 PM
  #4  
72buickgs's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 735
Likes: 114
From: Windsor, On
Car: 1984 Trans AM
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700-4r
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Tkx for the info.
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2022 | 10:07 PM
  #5  
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,111
Likes: 53
From: Ontario, Canada
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

The early pre 1975 4MV style QJet was about 750 cfm wide open. The post 1975 style QJET is 795 cfm. the Buicks some Pontiac big blocks had a 850 cfm QJet Like the Edelbrock 850 QJET.
The difference is the size of the primary venturi and its booster venturi.
All can run on small cid /Power engines as the secondary air door opening rate is adjustable to match the WOT demand of the engine its on.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2022 | 12:10 PM
  #6  
Fast355's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 10,430
Likes: 500
From: Hurst, Texas
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Originally Posted by F-BIRD'88
The early pre 1975 4MV style QJet was about 750 cfm wide open. The post 1975 style QJET is 795 cfm. the Buicks some Pontiac big blocks had a 850 cfm QJet Like the Edelbrock 850 QJET.
The difference is the size of the primary venturi and its booster venturi.
All can run on small cid /Power engines as the secondary air door opening rate is adjustable to match the WOT demand of the engine its on.
The large venturi post 75+ style is 850 cfm. Some of the 80s small blocks also had the 850 cfm version, FWIW. Just ask Cliff Ruggle, he will tell you the same thing.
Reply
Old Aug 10, 2022 | 10:29 AM
  #7  
HawkZ28's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 557
Likes: 15
From: Lincoln, NE
Car: 86 Z28
Engine: Built 312
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.42
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Look for a bump/hump in the primary bore. I seem to recall this being in Cliff's book as well.

Post #8 in the thread below has a photo showing the hump I'm talking about:

https://gbodyforum.com/threads/q-jet-rebuild.70582/

Reply
Old Dec 20, 2022 | 06:08 AM
  #8  
mydanielcreg_3's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

The key to having a large cfm number like that to something so low on power was the secondarys only open enough per the engine demands (if calibrated correctly).

Last edited by mydanielcreg_3; Dec 20, 2022 at 09:48 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2022 | 11:37 PM
  #9  
Fast355's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 10,430
Likes: 500
From: Hurst, Texas
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: CFM for QJ on 1984 Trans AM (export only edition)

Originally Posted by mydanielcreg_3
The key to having a large cfm number like that to something so low on power was the secondarys only open enough per the engine demands (if calibrated correctly).
GM had a physical limiting tab on the air doors. Some like the 307 Olds only opened to about 30 degress and maybe 500 cfm. The 305/350 truck carbs were limited to around 45-50 degrees and about 650 cfm. Both of those applications above used the 850 cfm castings. Have to grind the tab for the opening distance I posted a picture of to get to 850 cfm. Also have to make the throttle blades fully open.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
asmoboba
Members Firebirds
27
Jul 2, 2015 01:24 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:19 AM.