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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 09:26 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
car title fiasco

I bought a 91 Z28 from that was supposed to have a clean title. I paid $2700.00 for the car. He gave me a carfax report that showed up clean. This report was actually from when he purchased the car. I go to register my car and when I get my title it comes back rebuilt vehicle. I just want to locate the guy so I can give him the opportunity to make things right. Email me if anyone knows this guy.
caraholic@bellsouth.net

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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 01:41 AM
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In most states, it is illegal to sell a car with a salvage title and not inform the buyer. Check your local laws and get the proper authorities involved. He may have done this before.

I know that in Texas, you would go to jail for quite some time for commiting this crime.

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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 06:12 AM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
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It is illegal in this state also. The seller can be forced to pay up to three times the purchase amount if convicted. All I want is to talk to the guy and see if we can work it out the easy way first. But if we cannot then I will turn it over to my brother who is an attorney.
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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 07:42 AM
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You are being really nice about this. Since he gave you a "clean" CarFax on it, you have a solid case. I would hand it over to your brother, and let him work it out.

Good luck!
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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
I found the guys address on the old registration so I am going to send him a certified letter and give ten days to reply. If he does not reply within that time frame I am turning it over to my brother.
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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 04:31 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
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I spoke with Tommy today and is as bewildered as I am. He said that the title should be clean. I am sending it to the department of safety for TN. They will have the anti theft dept research the title and give me a conclusive answer to why the title is showing up rebuilt. This wil take 4-6 weeks. So for now all I can do is wait
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Old Oct 20, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
I spoke to Tommy again tonight and we are working everything out. He has been excellent to deal with and I would recommend him to anyone. I am hoping that this title fiasco is actually a Nashville screw up. Which is very possible in this state. Tommy did give me a good deal on the car and it looks good and runs great. The car has a new tranny, top end has been rebuilt, new brakes on front and many other new parts. This post is in no way a smear. I am just a little worried about the title but sure that it will work out.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 08:14 AM
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Let me know when it all clears up, and I will just delete this thread.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
Just letting you know that nothing has been settled as of yet. Tommy keeps saying that TN says it is an error but when I contact them they say that it is a rebuilt vehicle. I also contacted NC and KY (states where the car was previously titled) and they also show that it is a rebuilt vehicle. My biggest question is how can TN tell him that it is a mistake when the first salvage history was recorded in NC then it went to KY and was issued a rebuilt title. When it went to TN it didn't show anything. Then when I bought it the title came back rebuilt. So what should I do? I don't want to seem like a jerk but I do want a resoultion.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Holeshot
So what should I do? I don't want to seem like a jerk but I do want a resolution.
Take 'em to court. You have a good case and will stop this guy from doing it again.

If the car has a salvage title from 3 states, I very SERIOUSLY doubt that it was an error.

Get a lawyer involved........................I hope your brother is good at his job.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 06:58 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
Well it looks like Tommy Rigsby thinks he can wash his hands of the matter. Here is a copy of our emails you can read and form your own opinions. Comments are welcome.


Matt,
i'm a little disappointed that you posted my name on the
third gen website as selling you a rebuilt car. i gave you all the extra info
(carfax, cut $100 off the price, ton's of new parts on a car at a
fair price,
gave you the correct size tires...rears new). when i bought the
car, it had a clean title. when i got the title in my name, the title was clean. i did nothing but put money in it. the car has never been wrecked, fender bender, etc... while i've had it. why would i think the title would
come back as rebuilt? did you put such a low selling price that they mis-took it as a wrecked veh? i hope it is just a simple mistake from the
DMV. i just hate that you smeared my name, and city on the thirdgen website.like i said, i didn't try to cheat you in any way. just hope you understand
i'm shocked to find my name on thirdgen.org in this fashion, as i have several friend's that also use this website.
Tom

Tom,
I was not trying to smear your name. I was simply
trying to find out how to contact you and hoping that someone had an address or phone number.If you read the post not once did I say that you were at fault. As a matter of fact if you read the last post I stated that you were as bewildered as I was. I had lost your contact info and was merely trying to find a way to contact you. As I said on the phone I am not wanting to cause
you any problem but you have to look at from my point of view. If
you purchased a car from a guy that you had never met and he told that the title was clean and gives you a carfax report from when he purchased the car and it checks out. Then you title the vehicle and it came back rebuilt what would you think. I did not jump to any conclusions. Instead I tried to get your contact info from the site that you used to originally contact me. I actually found the contact info on the old registration. I just want to get everything cleared up as quick and easy as possible. I will also add to the post that we are working it out and that you are a great guy to buy from. I am hoping that is actually a Nashville screw up.I have attached a copy of my last post so
you will know that I am not trying to smear your name in any way.
here is the last post I spoke to Tommy again tonight and we are working everything out. He has been excellent to deal with and I would recommend him to anyone. I am hoping that this title fiasco is actually a Nashville screw up. Which is very possible in this state. Tommy did give me a good deal on the car and it looks good and runs great. The car has a new tranny, top end has been
rebuilt, new brakes on front and many other new parts. This post
is in no way a smear. I am just a little worried about the title but
sure that it will work out.


Matt,
thanks for the reply. i just got home, and read the thread
on how i could goto jail, fined, etc. do you still have the original
carfax?does it say clean title? i don't know what's going on, but i would never cheat you. when i bought the car, it said clean title. when i sold it to you, the car was never wrecked while i had it. i was, and still am being totally honest. if the car was rebuilt, i bought it assuming the title was clean also, never knowing of any problem. i just hate that there is a problem.
tom


Tom,
Don't stress we will get it worked out. I am sending
everything to Nashville tomorrow and they are going to investigate it and send me their findings. I will send you a copy as soon as I get a reply from
them. This could take from 4-6 weeks. We will work it out no matter what the decide so try not to worry about it. If it comes back clear and Nashville made a mistake I promise I will write them a very nasty letter about
all of the trouble that they have caused. If it comes back that it is
rebuilt we will work it out. I am trying to find the carfax report but no luck yet. I am hoping that my wife has not thrown it out. I am going to run a new one tomorrow from my work place and will email you the results of that tomorrow.
Thanks
Matt


Matt,
i have to work another 14.5 hr day with both jobs again tomorrow. you can contact me on my cell if you find anything
out. as i will be hard to get in touch with me again tomorrow. thanks,
tom


Tom,
I have been racking my brain trying to figure out the best way to resolve this title problem. We received the papers from Kentucky and North Carolina and the carfax showing that the vehicle does have the salvage title.Tennessee is dragging their heels a little but we should get
the papers from this week. But It could take up to six weeks for TN to respond. really don't want to wait that long to get this resolved. We know that the amount that I paid you for the car was $2700.00. A vehicle with a rebuilt title losses half of its value making the car worth $1350.00. I know that neither one of us can afford to take such a loss.I thought that I would see what your thoughts were and to see what suggestions that you have. I
really want to find a fair and resonably solution. Please let me know what your thoughts are.
Thanks
Matt




Matt,
i have emailed carfax about the vin, and will be in contact with the state again tomorrow. if all this is true about the title, the state of Tennessee,and Carfax have let us both down by allowing this to happen. carfax has a buy back guarantee, but i'm not sure how that works. they should email me back on the vin monday, or tuesday. let me see what the state and carfax has to say. did you find the carfax papers that showed a clear title?
thanks,
tom


Tom,
I have looked everywhere for the old carfax and as of yet cannot find it. I hate that we are having all of this mess and hope we can get it all worked out.
Thanks
Matt


Matt,
i talked to the DMV again today, and they assured me the rebuilt title you received was a mistake, and it has a clean title. you will need to goto the DMV, with the title, and have them send you another one. (if you haven't already done so). they said you will receive another one in a few weeks. they said they sent a letter to Carfax, and another place (lady forgotwhere, but 2 letters were sent out about this matter. 1 carfax, &2 she couldn't remember, as she wasn't the one to send them out.) i hope this clears things up for you. you should receive the clear title soon.
thanks,
tom


Tom,
Could you please provide me with a fax number so that I can send you the information from North Carolina and Kentucky.
Thanks
Matt



Matt,
i don't have a fax machine at my work or home. if you haven't done so, send the title to "Title and Registration, P.O. Box 280748, Nashville, TN. 37228-0748. ATTN: Belinda." she will send you a "Clear Tennessee Title". and if you put attn: Belinda, she will make sure the turn-around time is quick. i've done all i can do to help you. i bought the car with a clean Tennessee title, and sold it with a clean Tennessee title. i have done nothing wrong.
Tennessee said they made an error, and will send you a clean title. thanks,
tom


I have sent another email to him after I received this last one and I will post it shortly. I basically told him that I was dissapointed that he felt that he could wash his hands of this matter and that it was his responsibility to make sure it was a clean title. I then gave him three choices.
1. Split the loss of the loss and send me $750.00
2. I return the car and he return my $2700.00
3. We go to court. And that I would press criminal and civil charges against him.

Thanks for listening to me vent
Matt
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
Ok,

I talked to Tommy again and we are going to try and find a happy middle ground for both of us. I told him if he could get me a posi rear with a 3.73 or 4.10 gear I would call it a wash. Like I said I am not trying to be a hard ***. I just dont wanna feel cheated. I think he is trying but has alot on him. I am not holding hard feelings at the moment just frustrated. We are going to resolve this Thursday evening. I will keep you posted.
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Matt
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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Car: 1991 Z28 350,1980 malibu classic, 1977 Camaro
Engine: 383 475 hp, 355 450 hp
Transmission: turbo 350, 350 turbo
Everything is being worked out. You can delete this post.
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