Sorry if this is so long. I get a message from Justin on here saying "I see you were looking for 3.27 gears, I have a set if you want it.". We decide on $220 for just the carrier/gears because he told me they were in really good shape and the POSI worked.

So I get the package, and there was a problem...there is no carrier in it (there is more to this, but I don't want to write a book here). Then he tells me "Oh, they're my friends gears, you'll have to talk to him". Justin tells me his friend will call me and it's between "You" guys now, and he doesn't want to be the "middle man". One week goes by, no call. After asking Justin where the heck the phone call is, another week goes by, and finally he calls me. His friend tells me he has another set he will send me. I say ok and he sends me the new carrier/gears.

I get the new gears/carrier, and they were NOT in good shape. It looks like they were sitting outside for a long period. No one in my area would even attempt to put them in my car. So I contact Justin and say :

Me: What is Davids phone number, I need to contact him
Justin: "Why what's wrong"
Me: There is a problem with the gears
Justin: "What's wrong, did you put them in"
Me: No, and I need to contact David
Justin "Well what exactly is wrong" (A lot of questions for someone who doesn't want to be a middle man)
Me: I tell him the problem, and ask for his phone number
Justin: "I'll have him call you"
Me: NO I want his number, I will call him
Justin: I'm not giving out his number, he will call you.
Me: YOU setup the deal between us, you give him my number, but I cannot have his? I am NOT waiting two weeks again for a call.

Justin REFUSED to give me his number, and assured me he would call that night. Guess what, NO CALL. So I contact Justin and tell him I NEED that number. Justin goes off how he is sick of me treating him like this and I need to learn how to handle situations like this. I couldn't believe it. I think I laughed more than was mad. Then he stopped talking all together like the immature kid he is. I had to get my old cell phone bills and look at the incoming calls to get the number!

Anyway, once I actually got through Justins BS and talked to David (the guy that sent me the gears), the problem was resolved after close to 5 months. So I have no beef with David, but if you ever deal with Justin89formy...BEWARE! I even asked David why he would act like this and he said "I have no idea".

 

I here you one this one thanks for the heads up. I deal with this a lot in my line of biz.

 

I dont know...whenever i see deals like "selling for a friend" kind of turns me away just because i dont want to have to deal with 2 people if a problem occurs. Glad it all worked out in the long run though.

 

What a *****, thanks for the heads up

 

Holy Crap, Justin is over on the Vendor board badmouthing Hawks calling him a con artist and he does this crap, what a moron

 

He's also one of the guys who bad-mouthed me when I was selling that blue '90 IROC-Z, saying I was ripping off whoever was "stupid enough to buy it". Lame.


P.S. the buyer was more than happy with the purchase of the car.

 

Thanks for the testimony on how honest Justin is. Sounds to me like he hit the nail on the head.

BTW, I've bought numerous things from Justin and all has gone well. Something tells me that there are absolutely 2 sides to this story.

 

I'm with Arrow on this one. I've had numerous transactions with Justin and had no issues with communication or the item I received.

Wish I could say the same for other people I've dealt with on this board.

 

So, let me get this straight. Because he was selling something for a friend, he is a bad seller? I know alot of people that don't have net access, or just don't know the first things about computers. And, seeing as he does sell a ton of parts and this is the first time I have EVER heard anything bad about him, maybe it really was the issue with his friend. You also didn't say how long you had to deal with his friend, just that you were on the phone with Justin for a couple of weeks. And, honestly if I had told someone that I would help them sell something, if I wanted to be the middle man or not, I was going to be. Essentially he brokered the deal, so he was taking the responsibility to get the real seller to call you.
I've known alot of people that buy parts from Justin, and he is one of the more reliable members of this community.

 

The point is, he sets up the deal, then I find out they're his "friends" gears when there is a problem. Then he gives him MY phone number, and will NOT give me his friends. While I sat for weeks with no phone calls and had no one to call. So it was not an issue with his friend. And I never talked to Justin on the phone, it was all PM's.

If this is the first thing you heard bad about him, great. I'm just telling my story here.

 

Dude, its not my fault you lost all his contact info TWICE. The reason I didnt want to give his number was because you were becoming a little Obsessive compulsive with your PM's and emails demanding that we stop what we're doing to fix your problem. I didnt want you to be buggin out and calling my buddy non stop until you cooled down a little. You never chilled out, so I didnt give you his number, I gave him yours. I assured you that the issue would be taken care of fairly, just not "now now now!!!!" no matter how loud you were stomping your feet in protest. Thats when I said that some things take time. What if David simply didnt have the money right away to give back to you? I am positive that if you figured the money would show up on a Monday, and it wasnt in the mailbox, you undoubtedly would be on the phone calling david over and over demanding your money.

I can understand being anxious, but being a nuisance is another story. One example is how you needed your replacement gears now now now!!! because you needed to get them put in next week. I then get a complaint from you like 3-4 weeks later? Or when you said money was tight and needed your refund today today today!!! and I see you spent like $200 on wax for your car? I guess people have different priorities, and its really none of my business, but it shows a pattern that was starting. If I wanted to take the time to go dig through and find all your PM's then I could probably piece together a nice little quote bomb montage so everyone could see what I mean.

People, theres always two sides to a story. Look at my previous feedback on tgo. Its spotless. Check out ebay feedback for user 86sc. over 500 transactions, and a 99.8% positive rating. I'm not out to screw anyone. Not even this guy who's still hung up on this whole deal. He's just mad because I didnt want to keep handing out my buddies personal information so he could lose it again.

And I dont see how my bad experiences as a BUYER from a VENDOR has ANYTHING to do with a transaction between My friend, and Mr. Nowicki. Thats what the feedback boards are for, to state your transactions good or bad, right?

 

Whoah, lost his information twice? How do I lose it when YOU never gave it to me?

The first time he called me (Two weeks late), his number showed up in my caller ID, that's the only way I got it. After I got the new set, which was a good month later, the number was gone. So I asked for the number you refused to give out and never gave me from the beginning.

Let's cut the BS here, you never wanted to give me his number because you always had to call and give your friend a heads up. Like the first time, he calls two weeks late after you told him I wanted my money back. You tell me he wants to get me another set and not the money and I say I want the money. And he magically has a new set of gears to send me when he calls. Which it looks like he found on the side of the road somewhere. Clearly he was buying time to try and find me some POS gears.

Yea, getting back to the "Obsessive compulsive". You refuse to give me his number, he calls two weeks late. There is another problem, and you still refuse to give me his number. You tell me he will call that day, and he doesn't. Gee, why would I be mad?
-Read the thread again slowly.

 

-First off no. I did not spend $200 on wax. And this was months later from the gear problem thanks to you.

I welcome it. I have all my PM's, and IM's saved. Along with another TGO staff member who has been following this all along.

 

Another positive feedback for Justin. I never had any problems with him.

 

I definitely had no motive in this case I did what I did and explained my actions in my post above. No other explanations needed!

 

No problems with Justin he's a straight shooter. Whatever he says I believe. Sometimes he who yells loudest isn't always right.

 

quoted for truth!

 

I've dealt with Justin for a few years now, including a deal he 'middle-manned' for me. No problems, ever. And I would not hesitate to deal with him again in the future.

 

I would be rip $hit. I F-ing HATE when people are irresponsible and act like they are in middle school.

If you say you are going to call then just CALL. And why are you selling crap gears for your friend anyways? What happened to the first set that was supposed to go out the first time? Was that issue ever dealt with?

And when a sale goes sour, the seller HAS TO GIVE THE $ BACK RIGHT AWAY. hands down. If what he sold sux. Thats all there is to it. Cut the, "chill out" comments. I would be pissed 2x as fast is the guy who got screwed.

I say F-U to this guy. Thanks for the heads up and I will make sure never to buy from Foamy.

Oh and I have bought plenty of things here and on ebay from people. The second that they don't e-mail when they say they do.... Thats it, they are never being bought from again. WHY? Cuz and e-mail take 5 minutes to give an update. Even if it is bad news. Let the buyer know. He is the one tossing around his hard earned cash!

 

I agree! I responded to every PM/Email/IM whatever was sent to me. The actual seller was the one that was a little slow. Not much I can do about that :shrug:

 

Hey, if others had good dealing with Justin, glad it worked out. I'm just telling what happened with my deal.

 

What does "TGO staff" have to do with anything? Dont throw that **** around, it makes it sound like you really have nothing else to lean on. Hell I'd be inclined to be weary considering some of the judgement I've seen used around here by the "staff".

 

Well if you have problems with some of the "staff" members, take it up with them. I really don't know what to tell you.

"it sound like you really have nothing else to lean on."

Did you read the thread? Justin says he has PM's saved, and I said I have Pm's and Im's saved. If he wants to rip them out, then I'll do the same. If not, then that's fine too.

 

Don't make me laugh. I've got positive feed back from selling that car. Nothing Justin or you or anyone else says can change the fact that nothing went wrong with that sale.


If Justin really isn't in the wrong then where are his PM's? If he's got all this proof, he surely isn't bringing it to the table.

 

who cares if you got positive feedback for that sale, you called it a "restoration" when clearly it wasn't.
and i'm sure he has better things to do at the moment.
i've bought several things from justin and IMO he's an extremely honest person who wouldn't screw anybody. i wouldn't give out a friend's personal information either, if the guy who was selling it seems shady that isn't justin's fault.

 

You people use your "TGO feedback" to back yourselves up when you're in a corner, but when someone else uses the same thing, apparently it's not worth a crap. Funny little people.

 

Well if he didn't wanna be the middle man, then he has to give the friends personal info. Thats just the way it is. If the friend has sand in his ***** about not having people know his contact info, he needs to clean it out, grow some ***** and sell his item. End of story. I am sorry, but "he is shady" sounds like highschool.

 

you people? you don't know who the hell i am, what boards i'm on or anything. just because i don't post alot here doesn't mean i don't lurk and read. and what i read about your "restoration" informed me that if you can't even bother taking off decals when you paint proves that it's not "restored". maybe made to look better, but not restored.

 

I really dont have to justify anything. Ive already said my piece. The problem he has with me is I told him to stfu and leave me alone. Oh well.

 

That's right, you told me to STFU when I asked for that number. But that's not a problem now. I really can careless, it's not like you're a friend, lol. Now that the issue is resloved you can never talk to me again, believe me, I won't be upset a bit.

You said your piece, I said mine.

 

Thats just the way things are.. the more people I pay the less people I trust.

 

I'm not the staff he's referring to because I haven't been involved in this case and know nothing about the item or members involved. Why am I here?

Well, I arrived here because I found it interesting that the logs shown several incoming hits to this thread from an outside car club. Looks like a call was placed out to help defend the member in question. I'm not taking sides, and to be honest, I'm not really interested as this isn't directly related to staff or TGO itself. But if anyone is wondering why this thread is so lopsided, now you know why.

By the way, you had already said your piece here. Please don't attempt to stir up more with your hint towards criticism about the "staff"'s judgment. I mean, if we're going to go there, I might feel the same way about any member who isn't new to being moderated or stirring the pot.

I know you were one of several who came from the linked thread on another forum to back the member in question.

I'm not taking sides, regardless of what it looks like due to my position and Iroc's. But I have trouble with the practice shown here, and the attempts to shift the topic elsewhere. This isn't an "anything-goes" forum.

 

I followed this deal from the start and I thought the way the seller handled it was terrible. IROCThe5.7 had any and all reasons possible to be angry with this transaction, and honestly if it was me I probably would have banned J89Formy for messing around the way he and his friend did. I saw it all, pictures, e-mail logs, PM's, IM's, and the seller was in the wrong, not IROC. He didn't recieve what he asked for and then was left wondering about his money, and for way too long of a time.

My advice is this. It seems like when J89Formy sells by himself he is honest and does fine, so don't sell for your friends anymore and make sure you stand by what you say you're going to do, and what you say you're going to give people.