Charlie's87

Here's another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting

Bill Speed

Pontiac Enthusiest Magazine just recently, last month or so, did a story on the Fiero droptop, that was produced only as a concept car and ordered destroyed by GM, but luckily that order went through 'the proper' channels' and the car still exists. It was built by ASC; American Sunroof/ Automotive Specialty Corp. As pointed out in several sources besides this site, GM did approve and appont ACS the job of converting customer cars, which is why I call them official no matter what the VIN reads, in my humble opinion.

Even most recently as the Camaro book by Anthony Young I just picked up to read, ASC is mentioned in regard to the 3rd gens, but also in light of GM switching to assembly line build for the 4th gen droptops. No word is made here of double production of the previous cars at both locations, so I still am in high doubt until I see visual proof of that taking place
Firebirds and Camaros were slated for the conversion, ***** forgot to mention. Thos horrid button on tops are atrocious (SP?)
Anyway, ASC did one fine job, with only minor gripes, at best

Bill

JCherwien

I don't know if I'd call them Atrocious. I quite enjoy mine...
Sure, they don't look as good as the newer ones, but hey - I get the '82-'84 styling, and no roof! It's a win-win situation.

Bill Speed

You're nutz...the graphics and horizontal slat motif work great. Reminds me of the old days of real custom cars... they seem rare now. Sorry for the DP

Bill

Charlie's87

and another!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

DTL504

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The Boogie Man:

Bill Speed

That 'trunk' storage bin enclose is pretty silly. Where did the normal space go? I feel the 4 seater makes good use of the car's normal layout...but it has a unique flavor that isn't 'bad' per se

Bill

DTL504

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Thats why I love my 2 seater so much, its not your everyday plain jane Camaro.
I think the two seater layout would the wrong car a a family man with children, but as a second car this Camaro serves it purpose. looks, Speed and Different
Here is a tour of my Camaro:
http://community.webshots.com/user/dtl504

ACKRN07

Hey everyone. I am a new member to this discussion board. Just purchased a 1984 Camaro 2 seater, red that looks like the Auto Form cars that have been featured in other posts here. Attached are pics of mine. I too, would like to know about production numbers and available replacement parts?? One thing that is different on my car is that I have grooves in the lower door panel along the sides of the car. I know my interior was redone with new leather seats and new carpet. Also my top material is new and so are the snaps. I keep the car covered as the seller told me he never drove it in rain or snow. I think that the car might leak anyway due to the design of the window meeting the rubber gasket where the top snaps on the side??

I will post more pics with the top down later. Anyone have any info on insurance. I live in NJ and was quoted over $1,300 a year just for basic coverage!!. I would love to QQ tag the car but in NJ it appears that the car must be at least 25 years old? I am still researching this.

I am assuming mine is an Auto Form car but am not certain. IT has the 305 engine and is a stick shift. I don't particularly like the rims and will change them out for a simple 5 point star design?

ACKRN07

Having trouble getting pics to attach and post!!

ACKRN07

Maybe I tried to post too many pics at one time? Here is another one

Pontiac Ninja

check out the thread I started about 4 down from this one. My dad just got a 1985 Auto Form TA with only 14K miles! I posted the info. about it to in that thread. Here is an informative webiste also>> Autoform Firebirds Lot#1

No replacement part info. though. That would be good to find out about.

gray89vert

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IMO those are so ugly with the top up. the back window part almost goes straight down and looks like ****

Pontiac Ninja

Good thing these are mostly just recreational cars and the tops are usually down! PLus you can't beat the body styling as compared to the later 3rd gen TAs IMO!

ACKRN07

Pontiac where is the thread? I am having trouble finding it....thanks for the help

Pontiac Ninja

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/conv...orm-trans.html

It was 2 down from this one when I looked.

DeltaSigSparky

Hey all

DeltaSigSparky

Hello all,
I stumbled upon this thread trying to find out more info on my '84 2 seater. Just bought it and I'm starting to restore it. If any one can relay any websites they know about... It would be appreciated.

DeltaSigSparky

Hey all,
I just bought an '84 2 seater Z28 and I was wondering if anyone had put that website together to register the cars? Or if anyone had found out more solid information on the number of cars that were produced.

Ryan

ACKRN07

Dude post some pics if you can

ACKRN07

I have heard different production numbers....I think that all are agreed that the conversions of the 84 2 seaters were done by Auto Form in Elkhardt, Indidana....The guy I bought mine from told me that back in 1984 the 84 2 seater cost almost as much as a Corvette. So people were opting to buy the Corvette instead of the 2 seater Camaros/Firebirds?// So maybe that is one explanation why production was so limited(there wasn't much demand for them!!) I love mine and often go to Welcome to Year One to find replacement parts...I heard that they only made 500 of these cars from 1984-1987??? I have not found one yet that has the grooves on the lower doors/rear quarter panels like mine has!!?? Possibly this was an option in 1984???

DeltaSigSparky

Well here are some pictures... as you can see... It needs help.

gcgarner

Wow ... good luck with that. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now!

DeltaSigSparky

My car does have the grooves on the lower sides ofthe body also... It is just where the body panels lip and then the ground effects start under that lip as opposed to covering that lip.

WannaDrag

I have one of these also. Must have been one of the first. 1982 camaro z28 cross fire injection. Planning on modifing it further and dragging it.

missnanc

I have a 1987 Conversion NOT done by Autoform. I recently met someone who has a 1984 with I believe he said a 1977 production number. I have heard many different production numbers researching my car. I also heard there weren't any 1987's done because that is the year they brought back the convertible.

I love my Camaro and would love to know how many are still in exsistance.

Bruce Mullikin

I own a 1983 5L Z28 carburated convertible roadster that may be Autoforms first Camaro Z28 conversion because there is no identification that it was done by Autoform. My car was introduced in the June, 1983 Road America Sprints as their Pace Car. My research indicates that Autoform produced about 600 conversions on Camaros and Firebirds starting in 1983 and ending in 1986. All conversions were performed on new cars submitted by GM dealers as "Special Order customer conversions. I understand that the conversion cost a little over $5,500 per car. The vin numbers do not reflect that conversion and tracking by Vin # is therefore impossible. The brochures tend to support the "Special Order" status of all cars produced by Autoform. I have found only thirteen owners, and none claim to be original owners.
I have been beating my head against a brick wall trying to get more History on our rare beauties and invite all who think they are "Special" to beat the bushes for more information. One of the firebird owners told me that Autoform also had a plant in Shawnee, Oklahoma but the chamber of commerce in Shawnee could not verify that information. I have also been told that there were conversions done on 4, 6, and 8 cylinder cars, which surprised me, does anyone know a 4cyl owner.

Bruce Mullikin

Your car is not an Autoform but it does look like an ASC conversion from Florida, they may still be in business. All of the Autoform conversions have bumps behind the head rest which give them the Batmobile look. ASC was used by GM to produce their 1987 convertible. GM may be able to help you with their history.

T/A Tom

I agree ASC did a WAY better job. no offense to any owners of the autoform cars.

DTL504

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Well, I have had mine Z28 Convertible for 21 years and has receive NOTHING but high praises about that puppy, except for people on here thats bias to the orginal Camaros. But then again, I think the orginal Camaro is Ugly and would not have bought a Camaro if not for this conversion. I have totally restore my Roadster with plenty of upgrades and cosmetic changes from top to bottom and side to side....
Look at all the picture of the complete restore in my signature:

Bruce Mullikin

Missnanc, I would bet money that your car was originally done by Autoform and reglassed to eliminate the hatched door to the trunk area. Incidently I think your car has a smoother Batmobile look than my 83 Autoform. Have you checked your vehicle ID# to determine the year it was originally produced? I can give you pictures of the trunk hood up and the latch lock mechanisim to help convince you that your pretty rear deck is the only real difference between our cars.

t/adreams

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Wow, this thread has helped A LOT! All of these questions got answered:
Is this REALLY a factory option for Camaros? If so, is it worth any bit more than he is asking? How rare are they? Is it truly limited production numbers/ can I find this option in the VIN decoder, or is it not that sensitive? I'm considering buying it and holding onto it for a while.


However, I do need to know a liiiiiittle more...Here is what I dug up on the car.
New England car, no rust, etc. The car is a 1983, it used to have wood grain interior near the glove box- its been replaced. It is a 2 seater. The guy who owns it had a best friend whos step dad bought it new. He died, it sat for 5 years. He bought it after the 6th year from the widow, went on military tour for another 5 years, so it sat again. (read: low miles) He opened the garage today, it runs, and decided to sell it. Should I pick it up? Will it be worth anything down the line as a collectors car? I am going to view it tomorrow and most likely buy it if I do see the sticket in the door jam. Even if I do not purchase, I will take better pictures for you guys so that you can better qualify the cars orgins and hopefully put another piece to your puzzle.

Bruce Mullikin

T/A dreams,
Can you tell us a little more about the 83 Autoform you are looking at. Is it a 4cyl., 6cyl., or 8cyl.? If it is an 8cyl, is it carburated or injected, auto.trans. or stick and finally which 5.0 L engine does it have? The car you are looking at is only the 4th. 83' that I have been able to find in over 3 years of looking. This tells me that there probably aren't many left. I would appreciate any information on doorpost identification by Autoform because it may have some code as to how many they produced each year. Like I said before the Vin# does not display any reference to it being a vert. because they were dealer cars modified by special order before delivery and not factory mods. I believe the Camaros were done in Autoforms Elkhart, Ind. plant and the Firebirds were done in Autoform's Shawnee, Oklahoma plant.

t/adreams

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The engine is a 5.0 HO, TPI automatic. I'm calling the owner and am going to check it out in ~1/2 hour. I'll definitely post everything I find.

t/adreams

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At some time, someone really did a good build.
I made a mistake on the engine, its a 305 HO factory carb'd. The transmission is amazing, definitely has a shift kit, VERY VERY FIRM. The car all together is solid. Body is VERY straight, no dings or dents, and engine runs like a champ.

Its X Braced underneath, no rust, and has a hell of a locker in the rear (stood on the break and let it rip, the x bracing is solid, no flex, car just slides sideways like a drag car losing traction down the track- also leaves some AWESOME twin burnouts), but the whole thing looks very stock. I do believe that the engine has a mild cam, it idles a liiiittle lopier than most 3rd gens, but the top end of the power band is noticibly longer and stronger. *owner was okay with showcasing the car's ability, he'd rather be upfront about its shape*

And now for the record keepers: No sticker from the fab shop on the door jamb...Or any stickers for that matter. The car was originally red and was repained factory teal from the original owner. The vin number is:
1G1AP37G8EL175502

PICTURES!
Engine:


Interior and dash


Seat and Center Consel


Bracing behind seats from the inside of the 'vert hatch.


All it really needs is a coat of paint to be considered amazing again. I don't plan on picking it up, I felt bad offing him any less than the $4500 he wants for the car. Good guy, Was in Iraq when the war started as infantry, he made it this far, I tried to talk him into keeping it, its a nice, nice car. I'd ratehr someone enjoy actually DRIVING the car vs letting it sit. Someone will pay what he wants for the car. If anyone is interested, the number is
401 486 9750, his name is Matt.

flnggroovy69

I am also a proud owner of one of these cars and once I figure out this site I will send some pics.

84roadster

WOW

this post has gone on for a while. Funny story, my mom bought one of these cars when I was 15. I took it for a joyride once and she got pretty pissed. She drove it everyday for 6 years, probably just to tease me. (probably not) LOL She sold it to a doctor while I was overseas. She purchased another 84 about 8 years ago. She garaged it and was about to sell this one when I bought it from her. This is what I have been able to find out about these cars. I have not researched the transam and do not know anything about the numbers of those cars, and if there were any produced. This string is the first time I have seen a picture of one. About the camaros they were shipped from the factory to Breman Indiana. AFC also known as Auto Form Sales did the conversions. I still have the a copy of the factory warantee. According to one of the AFC engineers that my mom was able to contact said they tried to reuse some of the factory parts from the hard top that were oroginaly. for the camaros there were 500 produced, starting in 83 when the back deck lid was opened using a key. It also had a trunk lid, an NO rear seat. The backend of the car was completely replaced. The 1984 I have one with 68,000 orig miles and just rebulit the moter (slightly warming it over, nothing radical, still using the factory carb, rebuilt of course). It has the excat same comversion except that was the year that the camaros had an electric release so it does not need a key. The car posted here with the firebird conversion done to it appears to be ligit but cannot confirm that, not having the personal history with them. Has been hard to get info to this car due to the work being done by another company. The bad door stickers, I have taped me back again (twice). There are a couple of websites mentioned here but unable to find link. I have heard that the back keylock and trunk latches were made for boats but not camaros. Good luck in your search for info. I enjoy driving my car when its nice out here in Kansas, and no its not flat Columbus. LMBO. anyway thanks for reading. 84roadster@kc.rr.com I can post picks if you like.

Jupiter

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Am thinking of restoring my sons 83 Z-28 vert.
Anyone here know a good place in Houston to get
the top done at.
click for larger image

ACKRN07

Hi Everyone. Well from what I was able to learn about the 2 seater roadsters....it seems that there were only about 500 made between 83-86. Apparently there were no traditional convertible Camaros/Firebirds rolling off the production line during those years. I found 2 companies(Autoform in Elkhardt, Indiana and ACC? out of California) who did conversions. The Autoform conversions seems to be the 2 seater models(both Firebirds and Camaro Z28's). The ACC? conversions are actually 4 seater convertibles. I read somewhere that Firebird 2 seaters were produced in smaller numbers than the Camaros, although you wouldn't get that impression by seeing all the pics posted online of the Firebird 2 seater models!! Where are all the Camaro Z28 2 seaters?????

Mine is a Camaro Z28 Autoform(I have been told if your car has the bullet shapes behind the headrests which gives the car a "batmobile" appearance especially when painted black, then it was done by Autoform) and is red, is a stick shift(it was apparently an automatic originally that was converted to 5 speed manual) and it has grooves on the front panels, lower door panels, and rear panels. I have not seen one online or in person yet that has these grooves in the body. Please email me at amkester@comcast.net and I will send pics since my pics exceed the 1.0 MB limit for attaching to this site. I do not know how to downsize the pics so that they are under one MB(if someone can tell me how that would great!!). Any feedback would be appeciated. Also, if anyone has any literature that they can scan and post and/or email to me(bill of sale, build sheet, etc) I would appreciate that. Thanks and congrats to all who own these truly unique cars!

ACKRN07

Ok I think I found a way around my picture posting problems. Anyone interested in seeing pics of my 84 camaro 2 seater roadster then go to the following website that I created


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Oh wow, it worked!! Ok here are a few more pics.....

ACKRN07

One more pic...



If anyone has seen 2 seaters with these grooves, then please contact me. I have yet to find a car like this one. I am wondering if the grooved body was part of an option package that Autoform offered?? Thanks for any help.

Jupiter

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missnanc

I can't believe I am just getting this reply!! Sorry for delay!
Actually I know for a fact that this car was done by a man in Warwick, RI. I called him after purchasing it from a friend,[found his name in paper work in car] but unfortunately I didn't write down what he told me. I had just bought the car and didn't really think it was anything different than a CAR! NOW I wish I had listened to him. I do believe he said it was a wreck and the bottom is a 87 and the top is something different. Would love to see yours! missnanc

bigbird88

I just put mine on the camaro for sale page.

813eighth

It was factory authorized, there were between 100-200 cars produced between 1983-1986. They are magnificient pieces of rare American art and have the batmobile appearance. I love those swells behind the seats. These cars were extrodinarily expensive for the time period, an inflation equivalent to about $75,000 today. The 1983/84s with the aero package are just simply extraordinary. I saw one brand new at Bush Pontiac in Lenoir, NC in the fall of 1984. They are my pick as THE sleeper of ALL future investment grade cars as of the start of 2008. The equivalent was made in a Z28, more were made and the package seemed less attractive. As far as the 85 with a production of 100, no way. If you compare to cars with a known production such as the 87 ASC Mclaren with of a production of almost 500 you find no more than a 1 to 10 ratio. I'm thinking 25-50, but Auto Forms, the conversion company where Pontiac sent the cars did not keep production numbers and has been out of business for several years. So we have to settle with an estimate.

813eighth

The 500 number absolutely includes all Z28s and Camaros as well as Firebirds. Trans Am production for the four years total is between 100-200.

Cadillac

Are you trying to say you just picked one up? New to the TGO BBS, huh?

You win the vert forum thread revival award for 2007 in the eleventh hour.

89RsPower!

Your car has a body kit. First one I've seen put on a vert. Seen quite a few on hardtop and t-top and cars. Theres a pretty beat up maro around me with it with one of those ugly daytona hoods. Try posting a thread about your body kit and someone can probably tell you who made it, it's not part of the vert conversion.

IROCUDREW

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Where can i buy those two seater convertions.

813eighth

I don't know if you are after car or the conversion. Auto Forms, the company who made these has been out of business for several years, I bet it would cost $5000-$10000 to convert assuming you had a parts car.