Does anybody know ...

Of the 555 total 1991 T/A convertibles and the 663 total 1992 T/A convertibles, how many were WS6 cars? Also, does anybody how many were automatics and how many were sticks?

 

i dont know for sure but i have a WS6 and a 5 speed , im interested in knowing this also.

 

Looking at the tech data this is not clear at all. Someone may come along here and tell us the facts. I'm hoping for that anyway.

Sorry... no help.

 

Yep. Mine's an automatic. I'm sure there were far fewer 5 speeds produced than autos.

I'm really hoping somebody has the numbers for this.

 

Rhino,

I found this quote on a Web site I was looking at the other day. This guy from Canada is talking about his '92 vert:

Sounds like you've got a very rare bird on your hands. AND his is cloth interior and NOT a WS6 car!

 

I was told by Pontiac in late '91 that there was 104 manual 5 speeds built (for the 1991 year). So that would make 451 automatic T/A's. I've never seen any numbers on the WS6 option.

 

I'm almost 100% sure that all TAs of that year were ws6 cars. Think it became standard in 88.

 

dang, I was just on a site yesterday that had the info on every camaro year, how many of this made, how many of that and so forth. I have no idea what the name of the site was though. It had VIN decoder aswell to find out if your car was origionally meant to be a vert etc. I'm sure you could find something for the pontiacs.

 

I've looked. No problem finding a VIN decoder and production numbers, but I can't find production numbers for specifics options or packages. I'm not even sure if GM kept up with that ...

 

My 1991 is a non-WS6 T/A. But the F41 suspension it has is the Ws6 specs from 1985.

 

this is a quote from the "firebird history" page on thirdgenusa.com about 1991:

This site can be found at:

THIRD GENERATION USA FIREBIRD INFO PAGE

It has some good information, but I think they have "TPI" confused with "TBI" in some of the information about early 80s 'birds.

 

I'm not sure how much faith I have in the 555 & 663 #'s. If there were really only that many built they would have to be worth somthing. Hell, there were more IROC verts built in 87 and there bringing big money. I would'nt mind selling mine but there is no way I would sell for less than 5k, and I don't think they are bringing that.

 

I don't know how much I'd trust that site, it seems to backtalk itself a few times. In one or two instances, right after each other.

Bigwhitegtp, you have your SPI label?

 

Every production number site I've ever seen gives these EXACT same figures. And while they're not worth a whole lot now ... they will be.

My car is only 14 years old. It's not really supposed to be worth a whole lot yet. You could have bought a 69 Camaro for next to nothing in 1983. Or a 66 GTO for just a couple of thousand in 1980 (My dad had a mint 66 GTO triple black vert with three twos and a three speed that he bought in '79 for $1,800.)

And if you find a nice enough vert, you will easily pay over 5k for it. I paid $5,500 for mine and it was a steal.

The main reason I bought this car was because of the low production numbers. I have always loved 3rd gens, but I would rather have my car than most any Camaro due to the rarity of it.

If you sell your car for 5k now, I'm sure you will regret it in years to come. Mine will never be for sale unless I absolutely need the money.

And, for the record, I ran into a girl yesterday with a (rough) black '91 T/A vert and it WAS NOT a WS6 car. I noticed it wheels that looked like Formula wheels on it and I asked her if it had WS6 suspension. She didn't know and let me look at the options tag. WS6 was nowhere on it.

***Keep in mind that there were less than 1,700 TOTAL Trans Am's produced in 1992 while GM was gearing up for the release of the 4th Gens. I've seen 1,643 and 1,693. Don't know which is accurate, but either way its very few cars.

 

Don't know how many WS6 cars....All the #'s I've heard was less than 150 5-speeds in '92.

I have a '92 5-speed WS6 TA Vert 62K miles.

 

Wanna trade?

 

Although the WS.6 Performance Suspension may have been an option on Trans Am's it was standard on all 91-92 Trans Am Convertibles. I have also confirmed my with my original window sticker, which lists the WS.6 package as Standard Equipment on my 92 Trans Am Convertible.


Hope this helps

 

I'll have to check out my window sticker. I never even thought of that.

 

Well, I hate to disagree with your window sticker, but I have one of each --

One '92 T/A convertible with wS6 (and noted on the RPO codes)
One '92 T/A convertible without WS6 (and not noted on the RPO codes)

 

Interesting....well, I can only tell ya what mine says....which is it is listed as standard equipement.

On the one that it is not listed do you have any WS.6 items such as WS.6 wheel center caps or the "Performace Suspension" badge on the dash board?

 

It has the flaming bird as the centercap (but they were replaced because when I got the car it had no center caps, so I don't know what it would have said) and "Performance Suspension" on the dash. But, like I said, the RPO codes does not have "WS6."

The interior (dash) is exactly the same on both. The WS6 does have the nice black leather interior though and the other one (which was originally white) has the beige cloth interior and originally had the beige cloth top with the "Nike" swoop on the side. The black one doesn't have the Nike swoop -- don't know where the heck that thing came from, but it was all original.

 

The 'Performance Suspension' badge doesnt mean the car has WS6.

 

Really?? The WS6 package was called the WS6 Performance Suspension Package. What other RPO's got the Performace Suspension badge?

 

Yea, really. Any TA will have that badge, so as long as it was not the base suspension package, it'd have that.

 

The base suspension for all Formulas andTrans Am's was full independant front suspension, Modified MacPherson struts and 34mm anti-roll up front and 23mm anti roll in the rear. The uplevel suspension was found on GTA's and
WS.6's which came with 36mm and 24mm anti-roll bars.

There was only one up level suspension for the TA it was the WS.6 Performace Suspension Package. That said, the badge was either put on all Trans Am's (and it may have been) or it was put on those to denote the up level suspension with the WS.6 package.

Anyone on this thread w/o the WS.6 package have the "Performace Suspension" badge?

 

Like I said before, I did meet a girl in my town with a 91 or 91 (can't remember) T/A vert and it was not WS6, but I didn't look to see if the emblem was on the dash.

 

Yes, me -- like I said, I have one with WS6 that has the badge, and one that does not have WS6 on the RPO codes that has the badge. So, I guess that means all had some type of performance suspension, but the WS6 got a little more.

 

Exactly. There were 3 suspension packages. Any of the upper two (and TA's had either one of those and never the base suspension) had the badge.

 

I think you're confused here. The standard equipment listed on my window sticker mentions "Rally Tuned Suspension". Obviously, this is standard equipment on all 92 T/As.

However, "Special Handling Package" is listed on the options side of the window sticker. This is the WS6 option.

And, since the standard equipment was a Rally Tuned SUSPENSION package, it makes sense that all T/As got the "Performance Suspension" badge on the dash like FordGirl is talking about. But I think the WS6 package is the extra handling package that WAS optional. And while we all know that handling is related to suspension, I think the WS6 handling package a beefed-up or added-on-to version of the already standard Rally Tuned Suspension.

And on another note: My optional auto tranny was $530 extra!!!!! Isn't it kind of ironic that I would be willing to pay twice that now if my car was a stick!!!!

 

Im far from confused....with my orginal window sticker in my hand I quote from the list titled "STANDARD EQUIPMENT" WS6 PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION.

On the side of the sticker that lists options the only thing that could remotely be considerd a suspension item is the entry "TIRES, P245/50ZR16 BSW STL $313.00

Is the car your talking about a convertible? The other possibility, could be that sometime during the model year run, GM restructured the options by making the WS.6 standard equipement. Build date on my car is November 91.

What was the WS.6 option cost and what is the base sticker price of your car? Reason I ask is if mine was standard and yours was optional then the cost of the
WS.6 pkg could have been bundled into my Standard Vehicle Price. Base Price for my 92 TA Convertible is listed as $23,875.00

Like they say on X-Files "The truth is out there" but in this case, given the differances in window stickers, I don't think any of us know for sure what was standard or not....it appears it may depend on when your car was built.

 

My base price was $23,875. Price with all options was $27,089.

Where do you find your build date? The build sheet? I can't find my build date anywhere.

But WS6 is nowhere on my sticker. But it is on the RPO codes.

 

I ordered my vehicles details through PHS and the package included a copy of the build sheet. Also, located on the drivers door is the ACS sticker showing the date the car left their facility.

Build sheets can be found on the underside of your seats in the springs or under the carpet