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I just purchased a 1991 White Z28 Vert with pink 1990 Indy 500 decals on the doors and badges on the fenders. I have read a couple posts about these cars and I know there is not but a few of them still badged. Can any body tell me more about this car? I am having a hard time finding any info about them and I do not know if that makes them that much more rare, or not.
I did not buy the car for the for the decals. I got a good deal on a 1991 Z28 Convertible. It just hapens to have the decals on it. The car is for my wife so if there was any value added to the car because of the decals and badges I would leave them on if not I would remove them (I think think they are ugly) But for you to say I have been had is flat out ignorant. For one you do not know what I paid for the car and two are you an INDY 500 Historian?
And for this car to not be special this person sure is making a big deal over just a camaro (see attachment)
Scottmoyer one of the moderators on this fourm seems to know about these cars I would like to hear from him.
Last edited by need4sspeed; 05-23-2007 at 06:27 AM.
I did not buy the car shown with the trailer and the plaque, that is a pic I found on TGO, as far as I know that is a diffrent car and I don't think that the pic is that old....I would like to know what the plaque in the pic says....I have sent a E-mail to the people at indypacecars.com hopefully they can help.....I agree the car would look way better with out the stickers.....I just dont want to pull them off with out knowing for sure....I would hate to listen to someone who does not know what they are talking about and pull them off and the car was legit.....In my mind who would take a nice camaro and stick all that crap on it if it unless it was used during the event.....to be honest I could care less one way or the other.....if it was not that means I dont have to feel bad about future mods I would like to do to the car and I can ditch the Pink stickers.....
I know this, there was more than beretta's at the track on race week. trucks and other cars, and I know there was convertible camaro's there. The actual Beretta pacers were ragtops ( 2, I think were made) and all other replicas were T top cars. All of those had stickers in trunk, and I bet most never got them put on car. It is possible that Camaro convertibles (1990 ASC) were used for promotional purposes since they didnt have any other ragtops there, at the track. It didnt pace, but I guess anything to sell cars is what they did, so maybe the dealers thought it would help move the camaros, or chevy thought they looked good for the race. My ragtop was 22K which was a chunk of change in 91. Just Imagine your a dealer with Yellow T top Beretta with a pink sticker kit?? OH yeah thats gonna sell LOL. The Beretta paced on May 27, 1990, with a funky roll bar, yellow paint and the pink decals. I also believe these 2 pacers had mods to pace. May have been the first GM FWD pacer car if anyone cares LOL.
PS that 91 Z conv> is a sweet looking ride!!
As this applies to convertibles, Im going out on a limb here, but since the DOT regs went by the calendar year, not the model year, I would assume that any 91 convertibles were "modified by ASC" only in the models year, say 91 was actually converted in 91. The 91 and 92 s I have are late conversions and others I have seen seem to fit in that same timeline (late march to june of 91 and 92). This IS conjecture, so dump the facts. I know a 91 was early release, but anyone have a real 91 car ( ragtop) that was made in 90 when the 1990 conversions could still be going on? I really dont know if a 91 convertible could have been at that 1990 INDY 500 but I suppose anything is possible.
IMO this couldve been a 'parade car'. Since 90 GM was sponsoring the indy vehicles for sevice trucks and pace cars as well as parades. And being the 91 was introduced in 90 early it couldve been an unveiling of sorts by GM. They couldve enen put a decal on a vette to run through the parade and also a c-1500 to pull a float. However since there was no specific RPO code for the car by GM, it isnt worth more than any other 91 vert. Only to a indy afectionato would it be of any significant value. But it also couldve been someones dream ride since they liked indy and didnt like the beretta. If you really want to find out, contact Indy Motorsports Park archives about it. But really, for years after 1990, you couldve gone up to the dealer and ordered a repalcement decal for the Baretta and stuck it on there.
As this applies to convertibles, Im going out on a limb here, but since the DOT regs went by the calendar year, not the model year, I would assume that any 91 convertibles were "modified by ASC" only in the models year, say 91 was actually converted in 91. The 91 and 92 s I have are late conversions and others I have seen seem to fit in that same timeline (late march to june of 91 and 92). This IS conjecture, so dump the facts. I know a 91 was early release, but anyone have a real 91 car ( ragtop) that was made in 90 when the 1990 conversions could still be going on? I really dont know if a 91 convertible could have been at that 1990 INDY 500 but I suppose anything is possible.
Production on 1990's ended DEC 31, 1989. There was probably not a huge influx of cars sent ot ASC for conversion after Jan, I would be surprised if there were any.
Production apparently started in Feb for the Firebirds, I would assume the same for the Camaro, in which case there would be ample time to make a car for the race. Although 1991 production started early I do not see why it would be an issue. It only took about a week to turn a car thru ASC, so GM could have had one pushed through for the Race... Not impossible by any means.
Hey guys! There seems to be a lot of misinformation around this car and the Indy 500 pace cars and festival cars in general, so I thought I should try to clarify some things.
So according to madmaxs link, this car was never made.
The page you want is actually http://www.indypacecars.com/1990.html and what the page says is that the Beretta convertible was never made. But we're talking about a Camaro convertible here.
Originally Posted by Formulabruce
I know this, there was more than beretta's at the track on race week. trucks and other cars, and I know there was convertible camaro's there. The actual Beretta pacers were ragtops ( 2, I think were made) and all other replicas were T top cars. All of those had stickers in trunk, and I bet most never got them put on car. It is possible that Camaro convertibles (1990 ASC) were used for promotional purposes since they didnt have any other ragtops there, at the track. It didnt pace, but I guess anything to sell cars is what they did, so maybe the dealers thought it would help move the camaros, or chevy thought they looked good for the race. ...
Actually, the Berettas had sunroofs, not t-tops, but that's just a minor detail. And the statement that "they didn't have any other ragtops there" is inaccurate too -- there were 80 Corvette convertibles used as "track vehicles" along with the Berettas. See the photos on http://www.indypacecars.com/1990.html
But the answer to the question being asked is YES, Camaros WERE used at the 1990 Indy 500 and this Camaro is most likely the real deal. I can't remember right now what they were used for or how many were made, but here's what I can tell you -- when I was at the race in 2003, I went to a cruise-in and saw the other Indy Camaro that was pictured (with the trailer). At the time I was with the purchasing supervisor for the speedway's track cars, the guy who orders and receives all these cars and puts the decals on them. He's been doing this for 20+ years and he knew about these cars and confirmed that they were legit. Now that race weekend is past, I will try to find out from him exactly what they were used for and how many were made.
Finally...
Originally Posted by Mikz86TA
IMO this couldve been a 'parade car'. Since 90 GM was sponsoring the indy vehicles for sevice trucks and pace cars as well as parades. And being the 91 was introduced in 90 early it couldve been an unveiling of sorts by GM. They couldve enen put a decal on a vette to run through the parade and also a c-1500 to pull a float. However since there was no specific RPO code for the car by GM, it isnt worth more than any other 91 vert. Only to a indy afectionato would it be of any significant value. But it also couldve been someones dream ride since they liked indy and didnt like the beretta. If you really want to find out, contact Indy Motorsports Park archives about it. But really, for years after 1990, you couldve gone up to the dealer and ordered a repalcement decal for the Baretta and stuck it on there.
Mikz86ta is right, there are no RPOs for these cars. They are ordered and shipped to Indianapolis and then the decals are put on. And yes, the C1500 454 SS was the official truck (also pictured on http://www.indypacecars.com/1990.html). But I have to disagree with the statement that the cars aren't any more valuable. These are rare cars and a true collector's item if properly documented.
To clarify my statement a bit, was from memory of the race, there were no other "Beretta" convertibles there. I only saw two, but it seem they modified 3. As a chance for some big publicity, Im sure the corvettes and trucks and Camaros were displayed. I do however fall with the Indy people on production of the yellow Beretta's.( they mentioned lower production of the teal, which means more yellow I presume) I believe their number is more in line with the yellow Beretta I have seen shortly there after in some pretty remote to Indiana areas. That all being said, I own a 91Z ASC and its not my fave color LOL, the white one in this thread is! I am going to ask permission to start a thread with pics of 91 and 92 ASC cars with model years, date of production ( other sticker) and date of ASC conversion. I think it would be very interesting to compare, and may show "groups" of cars being all done at similar times. The early 91 release date mentioned in this thread made me think of it.
As a side note I believe the company that did the Beretta Convertibles for GM was C&C (Cars & Concepts) they had one of the prototypes when I visited them before they went out of business... They also had the Banchee (yes the concept vehicle).. C&C did some the 80's convertible Mustangs too If I remember correctly... And the T-top Fieros, and possibly some Fiero convertibles. I believe they also made the Oldsmobile Cutlass vert in the 90's... Not to mention they were responsible for the aftermarket T-tops on our cars...
Formulabruce is correct in post #10 and indypacecars in post #21: there are always a number of "parade" cars used for dignitaries during the pre and post Indy race events (including actual City of Indianapolis parade events). In 1991, the official pace car was a modified Chevy Beretta that had been modified into a convertible. However, there were many, many non-Beretta event and parade vehicles provided by Chevrolet that remain in general circulation today (with all of the pink stickers and badging). In addition to several Camaro convertibles, there were also a number of Camaro t-top cars, Corvettes and GM trucks produced with the "Indy" decals that were used by race officials throughout pre and post race events. This is the case with EVERY Indianapolis 500 race where there are two primary pace cars (one primary and one backup) and a variety of 'official use' vehicles provided by the sponsoring car company (in 1991, that was Chevrolet). I used to live in Indiana and attended the 1991 race in-particular and sat in several of the parade and event Camaros which were all over the track depending on who they were assigned to.
I have some documentation on these rare convertibles, I thinking Chevrolet made (or supplied) about 50? of these as "festival" or "parade" cars for the 1990 Indy 500. First of all to someone who posted about the '91's not being in production in May 1990, The fact is the '91 Camaros started production in February 1990 as early '91 models. The Convertibles that I documented were as follows, I have a picture of a '91 Z28 convertible on the used car lot at a Chevrolet dealer circa the fall of '90 with the indy decals. second I used to work at a Chevrolet dealer and we had one that used to come in for service, I got the VIN off it and checked the RPO's and there were nothing to indicate they were track cars, I also checked VINs close to that VIN and found that these cars were built close to one another but not together, They all seem to have been built around the first week of April 1990. They were all Arctic White with Black custom interiors (cloth) RPO B18. The one that came to our dealer was originally sold at a Dealership in the Indianapolis area then the owner said he bought the car when was about a year old at Chevrolet dealer here in Wisconsin, which leads me to think they were used at the track, then returned to Chevrolet and sold as a excecutive use sold at a GM auction. Also I tried to order the decals for a Beretta door for the guy after he had work done to the door and they were incorrect. the parts book does not show that the decals for The Camaro. also the car was numbered #47, So if I was you, I certainly would not peal off the decals, These cars definatly exist, but few people know of them, have correct info and are very hard to i.d.. Chris
As Mark from Indypacecars said, the 91 Camaro was used as a festival car. The festivities of pre and post race used these cars as parade cars. The day of the race, the Corvettes were used for driver introduction. The Berettas paced the race and only 2 were made. As Mark stated, the company that orders these cars and decals them for the races is in Indiana and is a subsidiary of National Car Rental. This car is legit and can have the potential to be valuable. As anyone knows, a pace car replica carries a higher value than any other same car without the race designation. I don't remember the number of cars built, around 50-60, but all were special ordered cars with identical options and colors. The issue here is that when the dealers get the cars after the race, they remove the badges for an easier sale. Indianapolis has so many cars available with badges for the races, that it's easier to sell the unbadged car. Most of the 91s were debadged. Finding one with badges is a rare find and it has a track heritage.
Unfortunately, the person that orders these cars has not been the most personable the past few years. I contacted him regarding this exact car and was told he didn't have time to get me details on it without paying a fee. It's a shame when specialty things like this require a fee just to get basic info. Hold onto it and keep as much detail as you can. Some day, the company will provide all details easier. Mark from Indypacecars.com might have a better relationship with the guy there. I have spent days with the guy, traveled cross country to see him at shows and had even done some work for the guy, but I can't get any additional info. Sorry.
I just purchased a 1991 White Z28 Vert with pink 1990 Indy 500 decals on the doors and badges on the fenders. I have read a couple posts about these cars and I know there is not but a few of them still badged. Can any body tell me more about this car? I am having a hard time finding any info about them and I do not know if that makes them that much more rare, or not.
Any info would be Great
Thanks in advance
Better late than never on this post ?
We bought our new so to speak Indy Z28 Parade Car after the 1990 race was over, the 33 Z28 parade/festival Z28's were sold at local dealers. In August of 1990 we decided to try and get one. At that point in our area Indy, we found one at Dan Young Chevrolet and one at Bud Wolf Chevrolet, both had approx. 2000 miles. The one at Dan Young had a dent in the LF fender, so pursued and purchased the one at Bud Wolf. We still own the car today. It has about 35K miles. It still has all of it's original Indy stickers, the car number 21 sticker and the worn paper stick on track entry sticker inside the windshield by the rear view mirror. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I have pictures of these cars in that years parade and I was at the race and watched them go around the track with the princesses riding on the rear deck. They are legit. I would enjoy hearing from anyone who may have 1 of 33 produced.
Better late than never on this post ?
We bought our new so to speak Indy Z28 Parade Car after the 1990 race was over, the 33 Z28 parade/festival Z28's were sold at local dealers. In August of 1990 we decided to try and get one. At that point in our area Indy, we found one at Dan Young Chevrolet and one at Bud Wolf Chevrolet, both had approx. 2000 miles. The one at Dan Young had a dent in the LF fender, so pursued and purchased the one at Bud Wolf. We still own the car today. It has about 35K miles. It still has all of it's original Indy stickers, the car number 21 sticker and the worn paper stick on track entry sticker inside the windshield by the rear view mirror. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I have pictures of these cars in that years parade and I was at the race and watched them go around the track with the princesses riding on the rear deck. They are legit. I would enjoy hearing from anyone who may have 1 of 33 produced.
Cool car, and a great story! I was at that race too, and remember them well.
For all those people that can only find 1 pic online of this car. I own #27 in 2020. Grandpa bought it new at the track and passed it to me. I'd be happy to share what I know. Which isn't a lot. And if you have details, I'd really really appreciate you contacting me and discussing Email me at everythingburrito27@gmail.com.
I have never seen another Z28 festival car in person. And only been able to find minimal info. I've heard there are 33 or 60 or 43 and idk who to believe.
I'm selling this car currently and I want your feedback on how much you think it may be worth. It runs and drives, but has 300,000 miles on it. I have it listed for 5k thinking a collector could restore and I'm surprised I've had a couple bites in a matter of days. I'd be veryyy surprised if it was worth much more than that. Any thoughts?
btw, I reside in Noblesville Indiana, close to indianapolis. I'm wondering where the other #s are. Can't find them online either. But they have to be out there! Mine can't be the only one still on the street. Maybe I shouldn't self it
FFor all those people that can only find 1 pic online of this car. I own #27 in 2020. Grandpa bought it new at the track and passed it to me. I'd be happy to share what I know. Which isn't a lot. And if you have details, I'd really really appreciate you contacting me and discussing Email me at everythingburrito27@gmail.com.
I have never seen another Z28 festival car in person. And only been able to find minimal info. I've heard there are 33 or 60 or 43 and idk who to believe.
I'm selling this car currently and I want your feedback on how much you think it may be worth. It runs and drives, but has 300,000 miles on it. I have it listed for 5k thinking a collector could restore and I'm surprised I've had a couple bites in a matter of days. I'd be veryyy surprised if it was worth much more than that. Any thoughts?
btw, I reside in Noblesville Indiana, close to indianapolis. I'm wondering where the other #s are. Can't find them online either. But they have to be out there! Mine can't be the only one still on the street. Maybe I shouldn't self it
I just purchased a 1991 White Z28 Vert with pink 1990 Indy 500 decals on the doors and badges on the fenders. I have read a couple posts about these cars and I know there is not but a few of them still badged. Can any body tell me more about this car? I am having a hard time finding any info about them and I do not know if that makes them that much more rare, or not.
Any info would be Great
Thanks in advance
I have one of these cars that I bought not long after the race. Bought in Fort Wayne Indiana. Was told 33 were made and mine has less than 40 thousands miles on it. It never had the pink decal put on it but does have the indy 500 decal on back part.
would like to hear about anyone else that has one of these cars.
I just purchased a 1991 White Z28 Vert with pink 1990 Indy 500 decals on the doors and badges on the fenders. I have read a couple posts about these cars and I know there is not but a few of them still badged. Can any body tell me more about this car? I am having a hard time finding any info about them and I do not know if that makes them that much more rare, or not.
Any info would be Great
Thanks in advance
1991 camero convertible used indy 500 1990. Only 33 made. I bought right after the race in Fort Wayne Indiana. Not for sale
05-22-2007, 01:16 PM
