V8Rumble

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Forgive me if this has already been covered, it's a bit late, & I've just skimmed the last 20 or so posts... But...

Is your air dam still attached? (And not "flopping around"?) If your car's heating up even during highway driving, that's the 1st thing I'd look at.

Also - I inadvertently messed my cooling system up (two ways) when I removed my A/C - first, the switch no longer activates my fan, & second, removing the A/C condenser from in front of the radiator now allows air to escape around the sides of the radiator, instead of being forced through it.

Like I said, I'm not sure if any or all of the above has been covered, but if not, they should be pretty easy to check, & cheap to fix if one or more of them applies to you. (I'll probably be fixing mine tomorrow...)

Good luck!

1991ON20's

im having the same problem. 305 tbi to a 350 tbi.....
my radiator makes a sound "like puting droplets of water in a frying pan" ping ping ping, after u turn the car off. Also after u turn the heat on the car has problems keeping cool.

and whats up with the spark knock i get on the highway...i read the post about that.....but does that have anything to do with me still using the 305 tbi injectors? is the temp rising to high and im getting that UGLY spark knock with the high drops in RPMS?
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oh yeah the city and the highway temps get up around 220 then at a stand still my rpms get go UP and Down like a roller coaster while the temps get a little higher.
whats the deal america?

escort_ford84

Ive been going threw some stickies and im fairly sure this question hasnt been asked. I have basically a stock 305 with a fairly large camshaft. I have been running a 160 thermostat. I do make my own chips and have all the temps to work with the 160. I got the camaro (1988) stock with tbi. Then it had 185 PSI cylinder pressure. Now with the camshaft, i now have 150 PSI. I am wondering if i would benefit from the 195 having lower cylinder pressure. I would think cylinder temps would be lower with the lower PSI. Im sure someone has done this before. I installed a new intake manifold today and i have both thermostats sitting here ready to go on. Thanks.
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how can i fix this ?

sean_francis21

The air dam that you all are talking about, what does it look like? I have a black plastic thing but its curved on my 89 RS by buddy has an 86 and he has the black plastic actually looks like a dam straight up and down does that mean mine is missing since I have nothing protruding down???

camaro55427

i just read the cts link, i got code 15 and a code 23? so i guess i need to replace the senser and code 23 is iat? does that mean the comp is goin crazy cause the temp is normal but the cts is sayin its majorly cold?

Jasper45

K guys I'm new here and need help I bought a 92 Z28 and the guy has converted the TPI 305 to a TPI 350 it's having overheating issues, at an idle it will just keep getting hotter I don't think the fans are coming on when they should which is what temp? Should I wire in a manual fan switch? The thermostat is a new 160 should I go to 180? Hoses and radiator are good and the previous owner installed an edelbrock water pump what next?

werewolf

something I did to help cool in the summer and still let you have heat in the winter is splice a wire ti the green with white stripe on coolant fan switch wire run it to a toggle... then the other lead from the spst toggle run to ground then you flip the switch on fan turns on. flip the switch off fan runs when tep switch tells it too.

thisme305

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Where is the fan switch on a 92 rs 3.1 V6? Everybody else seems to know on the 305 or 350 but no info on the V6. Or does the V6 even have a fan switch at all?

chindo

hey guys, I just picked up a 92 RS with a 305 tbi and the guy i got it from said it would overheat. What should the operating temp be at?? I know this forum says around 220 but how long should it take to get there when idling? The gauge moves very slowly and it takes about 10 minutes to even start to move. I check the temp at Thermo housing with infrared gauge and it would read around 150 so actually temps are probably close to 175. I got this car as a project so dont need to drive it right away I just dont want to overheat and cause problem. The car runs very smooth and idles great. The only other problem is my oil gauge seems low too, which makes me wonder about my temp gauge

Prickly

Overheating usually is caused by cooling system problems such as old/bad/leaky/squishy hoses, sticking thermostats, leaky radiators(air and fluid) and caps, CLOGGED heater cores DONT allow coolant to pass through them making engine cooling difficult, fan switches and relays, BAD water pumps, leaky intake and head gaskets, air dam spoiler under the front bumper missing or damaged. Overly rich or lean air/fuel mixtures can also cause heat issues. Check all items except intake/head gaskets and air/fuel mixture yourself. Save some money if you can but when you cant,......see below.

If you cant find the problem within a few days, pay the $100 for a professional mechanic that you trust`s diagnostic or opinion.

tgk7203

I have a real puzzel on my hands. I am losing coolant and I cant find were it is leaking. I wasnt having any problems before replacing the belt tenchiner. There are no visable leaks but on a two hour drive the over flow bottle is empty. Maybe a preassure test I dont know. But with hood up and car running still see now leaks cheaking everywere I can see and even lloking at the block I no smoke either. Please help thanks for looking

xxbeanerxx

I just bought an '88 Iroc 350 TPi and the fans don't come on. I rigged up a temporary switch to bypass the relays. The fan works great with this switch but I want it to run as it was intended. So, question. How do I check to see if the fan relays work? I mean the 2 relays by the car battery NOT the ones by the firewall. P.S. I have a dual electric fan setup.

hotbird89

Checking to make sure they work is easy. Refer to the diagram earlier in the thread, for the connections. Make sure it has power (12V) at the coil side of the relay (the brown wire). Connect a ground wire to the Ground side of the coil (either a dark green with a white stripe or a grey wire depending on the cooling system).

If everything else in the circuits are operating properly, your fans should come on. All this does is bypass the PCM's control of the fans by providing the ground that the PCM normally does.
If the fans come on this is the harder part- finding the problem. The fan with a black and red power wire- the ground wire for the relay's coil runs through the PCM to a temp sensor that passes the signal back to the PCM, then to the A/C pressure switch. If either of these components are faulty the fan will not work. The fan with the black and pink wire has 3 possible grounds. The PCM will ground it depending on engine temp, the A/C pressure switch will ground it when the A/C head pressure hits a certin pressure (ie. when the A/C is on), or the heavy duty coolant fan switch will kick it on when the engine reaches the proper temp (above 238* F- not to be confused with the other switch that operates at 228*).
The last switch is the major weak point in the system. The '88 and down and early '89 used a switch that grounds directly to the block. The switch is notoriously faulty, and when a noob installs one, they automatically use thread tape, shellac, etc. This isolates the switch from the ground it uses to actuate the system, and the fan no longer works......... Newer 'birds used a switch that sends the signal to a seperate ground, eliminating the problem.

Testing the various switches is simple. If the A/C is operating (ie cold air is coming out of the vents) then the A/C switch is good. If your A/C is inop- no worries, that switch only kicks the fans on for the A/C, not the engine cooling.

One Note, the primary cooling fan (the black/red) is designed to shut off at highway speeds. The PCM uses the VSS input to determine when to shut it off.

If the fans do not come on, check the power source at the relay for the fans (orange wire) to ensure there is power present. If there is power there, check the wire to the fans (a black and red or black and pink). if there is power at the fans, check the ground wire (make sure there is no/extremely low, ie less than 120 ohms, resistance when checked to ground). If you have power at the fan, and a good ground, the fan motor is faulty.

Personally, I eliminated the PCM control and used an aftermarket controller. It uses a temperature probe in the radiator core, and has a rheostat that allows you to adjust when the fans come on and controls 2 fans, as well as retaining the systems ability to be actuated by the A/C. I picked it up at autozone- compressor works part number 733647- $34.99.

ponykiller1187

where at did you find this wiring harness because everyone i look at its like 600bucks or more

hotbird89

All you really need to make it work well is a simple fan controller. Some people will wire in a switch on the ground side. While this is hella cheap- it isn;t the most reliable way to go. The fan controller compressor works part number 733647 will turn the fans on and off, keeping them cycling like they should.

85bwfirebird

Okay i hate an 85 firebird with a 2.8, i dont have the air dam on and i know thats one of the main reasons its over heating, but also the electric fans wont turn on, do you know what may be the reason to this?? broken wire somewhere or something??/

85bwfirebird

Okay i have a 85 firebird with a 2.8, i dont have the air dam on it, i know thats the main reason it over heats, but my electric fan wont turn on at all, does anybody know what may be the problem??

Scott49

I took a look at the common questons helpfull. I'm new to this world of third gen I just bought a 1986 Trans Am car is clean and a little old lady owned it. (Really) but while we were working a deal on price she told me that her son in law had used the car from time to time. And here is were my questions start. First he has made mods to the cooling fan wiring system a real butch job loose wires and but splices I would like to put it back to factory specs. I'm in need of some scamatics and most likley a fan harness and factory relay. I'm a transit bus mecanic for the city of Anchorage I do have some mechanical skils but this is not a bus

xxbeanerxx

I checked the power at the relay connectors by applying the multimeter prongs to the relay coil (brown wire) and the relay coil ground (green wire) and it read that the primary fan connector had less than 1 volt and the secondary connector had 10 volts. I put a paper clip between the brown and green connectors to ground them and nothing happened. So I'm thinking it's the wiring harness. Is there a wiring harness for the fans only or do I have to buy the entire harness? Is there a better way to ground the D(brown wire) and F(green wire) together? cause the way I did it with the paper clip caused some sparks to fly.

Oh and that aftermarket controller you bought, does that connect to the wiring harness?

xxbeanerxx

So upon further inspection I discovered why there wasn't any power flowing to the relays. Apparently the Orange wire that goes in the the relay was torn as show here:





Now I remedied that situation and so I have power flowing to the orange wire as well as the brown wire. So I'm happy cause I'm thinking the problem is solved and now the fans will work. Right? Wrong!!!! So I checked the relay again using the multimeter and this time It shows that there is power going to the fan (black wire with red stripe) only there isn't any ground. Great!!!! So I pinpointed the problem and it is here:



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As you can see, there IS ground on one side of this connector(V) and NO ground on the other side (X). The problem is that for the life of me I cannot disconnect this piece of crap. When I try to wiggle it loose I can see the right side kind of wants to come loose but something on the Left side (the side with the ground wire) is stuck. So maybe this is related to the problem. I'm thinking something melted inside causing this thing to stick together. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to disconnect this thing? Any suggestions would be welcomed with open arms, a warm smile, and a cold beer. lol.

DJK90IrocZ

I wanted to ask anyone if I were to change out my stock CTS to one that turns on at 200* and off at 185*, which thermostat should I use? If I used the 195 then the fans should turn on right when the thermostat opens....right???

Thanks!!!

mdh5169

Is that pretty much the normal temp forma firebird? I am thinking about buying one and the owner told me that due to the design it normally runs 230 range. This seems hot to me

mdh5169

I am looking at an 88 firebird. The owner tells me that its normal range is to run at 230 to 240 due to the design and no exposed grill. This seems a little warm to me. Any input out there?

ikeepitreelz

http://www.chevythunder.com/fuel%20i....%20pg%20C.htm

KMK454

My 91 305 TPI is bone stock and on the highway will hover around 170-190. In stop and go it will float around 200 to 230.

I've searched and searched to find what the "right" operating temperature range is on these cars and I always find different things. Even the owner's manual does not specify a normal operating temperature.

I also have rust in the coolant system, probably from the radiator. The coolant was brown and then turned brown after a flush. It's definitely not oil-contaminated, though.

ikeepitreelz

The normal operating temp for these cars is 220 degrees, G.M had them run hot to ensure emission standards were met, I changed the thermostat on mines to 180 degree and i drilled a few small holes and it runs so much cooler and you can feel the engine has more power.

Ladybird88

Please excuse a Noobie if this question is just downright dumb ,but here it goes. I am rebuilding my 1988 GTA -350 TPI after an accident. The dual fans were smashed and I have everything ready to make her road ready but the fans and brackets. Can I use the single fan from a parts car I have (88 Formula TBI ) to get her running and driveable until my other parts come in ??

Camaro305SB

I wouldn't see why not as long as you get it to come on when your running hot AND when the AC is on.

Cooling fans come on around 235, so 230-240 is gettin pretty hot, you sure the gauge is reading right? I'd get a temp gun and shoot the water outlet to double check. Its not supposed to have an "exposed grill", the cooling system draws air in from the bottom.

ikeepitreelz

Yeah shouldnt be a problem as long as you have the right top and bottom bracket, and your gonna have make a good connection to the harness , i would solder it and shrink wrap it since those wires get pretty warm sitting there by the rad.

earnutz88

please need help put a 96 camaroLT1 in a 91 camaro and the new thermosate seems to not want to open,have a mechanical gauge in the head it wants to go to 250 deegrees,thanks larry

t-top havoc

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Did you " purge "
air from the cooling system?

How long does it take to get hot?
Does get hot while driving? Is the air dam on?

90Conv5

One thing ive heard alot is that most 3rd Gen run hot n a big problem is the electric fan NOT turning on.. What ive done when the weather is good, I've disconnected the AC blower n switch/sensor.. Then i just keep the AC switch on at all times this makes the cooling fan stay ON at all times when engine/Ignition ON, peace of mine without spending nickle,

hoytjr

Can I replace my electric fan with a fan clutch and blade on my 86 iroc?

GamerDude68

I skimmed through all of this because I was about to post a question. But it's not covered here.

Anyway, something I wanted to share that I just learned, unless I missed it here, is if your car is overheating one of the simplest things is to check the overflow tank. Making sure it's full to the lines Cold and Hot. Solved my overheating problem!

Now on to posting in another thread about installing a Water Temp Gauge.

Michael Cibelli

Someone PLEASE HELP ME. I did a smog pump delete but just rerouted the belt the same way someone else om this forum did I copied the picture exactly. But the guy didn't make sure all the pulleys were spinning the right way now my water pump is spinning backwards what will happen if I leave it or will It be just fine

Marine0726

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Just bought a 87 Camaro with a 350 bored to a 383. Was able to finally drive it around town today and on the back roads at highway speeds. Factory temp gauge wasn't working initially. Replaced the Temp Sender and it is now working. While driving around car would get up around 240 with single electric fan on and the heat on and wouldn't cool back down at all. Just replaced Thermostat with a 195* and drained fluid and refilled. Still does the same thing. Any suggestions?

manolis1969

^ video i made on how to change a thirdgen coolant reservoir tank..also subscribe to my channel for updates on future thirdgen videos..thanks

Jesse85iroc-z28

so the cooling fan in my 85 iroc does not urn on all the time or for more than ten seconds the only way it will turn on is if i run the car till it hits 220degrees then shut it off and turn it back on. then it will spin for mabe ten seconds and shut back off the a/c wont turn it on eitherr please give advicee

Jesse85iroc-z28

and i did read the stuff before about hardwiring a switch in so please dont delete my post, but i didnt want to have it rigged like i said it works just only once it warm and i restart the car it will work for mabe ten seconds...

Biggd4355

My AC blows slow into the car, how do I clean the AC coil in m 1989 Camaro?

ikeepitreelz

When you day it blows slow, do you mean warm air is coming into the cabin? Not enough volume of air is coming from the vents? If its warm then there can be several things wrong. Undercharged system due to a leak, faulty compressor, clogged orifice tube , most likely clogged due to a major compressor failure which u would have to get the system cleaned.in the event you would have to change something on your ac system and the system would have to be opened up, highly recommend you change the accumulator, and the orifice tube, if you want really cold ac look into a company called Santec and get a high performance orifice tube, the red one and your ac will drop in temp big time,autozone has them but they are pricey , around 30 bucks. The way i clean the condenser is by spraying it down with a degreaser , to clean it really well i remove the radiator which is fairly easy and spray from the engine side of the condenser out with a medium pressure setting on my hose nozzle so as not to bend the fins. Get someone to hook up ac pressure gauges and that will tell you a lot about your system. If your vents are not blowing enough air into the cabin, you might have a duct door that is stuck in the wrong position, could be a broken vacuum line to the ac control panel, if its a GTA with a digital dash it can be a vent door motor. Operate the control panel put it on all modes like defrost, does it blow through the top dash? On floor, does it blow through the bottom? And on max ac, does it fully blow thru the vents or is it blowing trough the too and vents at the same time? Sometimes the duct door get stuck, good luck hope this helps a bit.

Biggd4355

The air blows plenty cool enough. I just had it serviced with new compressor, dryer, and new vacuum tube. But the air flow is slow.In fact, on high, the fan isn't working at all. But that is new. Dirt will plug up a condenser. How do you clean the dirt out of it?

Biggd4355

Air flow is slow, hot or cold, it is slow. How do I access the evaporator to clean it?

manolis1969

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Biggd4355

its the fan relay switch under the hood

brickcityart

Hi, I have a 1989 + 350 create engine that I believe uses a serpentine belt system and a counter clockwise rotation water pump. I do not have a serpentine belt system and I would like to use my old school clock wise water pump and belts. Will the engine over heat with a clock wise water pump if the rotation is going clock wise? Or do I have to buy a counter clock wise water pump and the serpentine e belt system, I'm thinking I don't have to go through the big expensive. Thanks, John

Biggd4355

The direction doesnt matter to the water, or the heat transfer. As long as the liquid is moving.

Biggd4355

I have a 1989 camaro 305 tbi. When the engine has sat, it is hard to start. But after that, it starts right up and runs beautifully. I rebuilt the regulator, and replaced the fuel filter. Made no difference. I can prime it and it will fire right up and run great. What else can it be?

JamesG1986

Hello I just bought my first car, it's a 1986 camaro 305 with a 4 barrel carb on it. It a base model, nothing special. It overheats and the cooling fan won't come on I don't want to jerry rig it in any way, I just want to change the sensor that could possibly be bad. I changed the fan blower relay by the brake booster and I also changed a sensor on the passenger head near the oil dipstick it is connected to a green wire and it still won't come on, the fan works if I turn the A/C on, I let it heat up to about 220 then I kick it on but it won't come on automatically if I jump out the A/C fan relay it will kick on. I see another sensor on the drivers side head I'm not sure what it's for or what it does, I'm stuck and don't know what else to changed. Please help me I'm open to any suggestions. Thank you

Biggd4355

Forget the extra sensor on the drivers side. You should have current to your fan all the time. That is easy to test and run current to. Your wire for the sensor on the passenger side works by grounding. Ground that wire and the fan should come on.