tango1112

Ok... I'm sure this has been done before but I'm having little luck finding technical info on it. I thought it really wouldn't be this hard too. I have an 82 Firebird that I am wanting to get rid of the gauges in. I bought a 92 Firebird ster to take it's place. So, I put it in and EVENTUALLY got the lights to light up. I say eventually because I'm also going with LED's and it was a pain to get the lights all turned to where they'd come on. Anyways, none of the gauges work. I've searched for a pinout and cannot seem to locate one for each. I'd like to see if anyone has a pinout for the 82 and the 92 so I can repin this to make it work? Also, if anyone has done this I'd appreciate any advise you can give.

camaronewbie

The one place you'll have issues is the speedo - 1992 is electronic and 1982 is cable driven. Not sure if it's a simple matter of swapping out the electronic unit on the tranny tailshaft and running the wiring, or if you'll have to incorporate a VSS box somehow.

Or wait - maybe all the 'bird stuff is electronic - on the Camaro there were dial guages and thus the difference - some Berlinetta's and 'Birds had digital stuff - so I dont know.

tango1112

Yeah, I've done the research and it appears that I'm going to need to replace the VSS in the tranny with an electric one then run a wire to the buffer box and do some wiring from the buffer to the speedometer. That much seems to match what I'm experiencing. What I handn't counted on was the panel itself not matching up. First, the lights didn't want to come on (leds) which turned out just to be me needing to twist them 180 degrees, then when they came on the whole thing was "goofy". Finally got some of that figured out. But what really is baffling me are the gauges. NONE of them are reading anywhere near accurate. I can attribute some of it to the fact that the gauges are in different locations between the two clusters. So, that would make sense in retrospect I guess. So, I'm thinking I'm going to need to repin the C1 and C2 connections to match the new 92 Firebird unit. I'm guessing I'll at least need the gauge pinout for the 92 but it would make it easier if I had the one for the 82 also just so I can see if there is anything else I may be missing (extra ground, wiring, etc.) and rule that out. All info I have on both cars is as follows.

My car 82 Firebird with a 350 and an auto transmission
Car Cluster came from 92 Firebird with 350 and auto transmission.

I'm guessing the printed circuit on the new cluster is ok, however I'm thinking I may have ruined my old one (82 gauges) in the process of pulling it out and putting it back in. These things get a bit brittle with age it seems.

tango1112

http://www.hioutput.com/tech/circuits/86pinouts.html


Well, I found the one for the 86-92.... I'm guessing it's correct. Now I need one for the 82 Firebird to be able to compare it.

Wiring pinouts for 86-92 Firebird electronic dash cluster
upper
1 park brake
2 ground
3 dash lights
4 N/U
5 N/U
6 N/U
7 left turn
8 high beam
9 right turn
10 fuel gauge
11 (left spot beside voltage gauge)
12 (jumper to 12V from lower connector)
13 SES
14 shift wire -

upper
1 tan/white
2 black
3 grey
4 -
5 -
6 -
7 light blue
8 green
9 dark blue
10 pink
11 -
12 -
13 dark brown/white
14 tan/black

lower
1 tach
2 ground
3 dash lights
4 choke
5 temp gauge
6 (left spot beside temp gauge)
7 N/U
8 oil gauge
9 12V switched power (key-on)
10 N/U
11 (right spot beside fuel gauge)
12 ground
13 seatbelt
14 speedo gauge wire -

lower
1 white
2 black
3 grey
4 grey (?)
5 dark green
6 dark green/white
7 -
8 tan
9 pink/black
10 -
11 -
12 black
13 yellow
14 light green/black

tango1112

old

c1 upper
14 ground 13 buffer 12 11 ground 10 illum 9 fuel 8 Temp
1 ignition to buffer 2 left turn 3 right turn 4 5 6 ignition 7 SES



c2 lower
14 tach 13 12 seat belt 11 oil 10 ground 9 8
1 high beam 2 3 4 ground 5 choke 6 brake 7

new
LIGHT BLUE top GREY BLACK TAN / WHITE
14 LEFT 13 12 11 10 ILLIM 9 GROUND 8 BRAKE
1 high beam 2 RIGHT 3 FUEL 4 5 6 SES 7 UPSHIFT
green dk blue pink dB / wh tan/black


LT GREEN/BLK YELLOW BLACK bottom PIN/BLACK TAN
14 VSS 13 seatbelt 12 ground 11 10 9 ignition 8 OIL
1 TACH 2 GROUND 3 4 CHOKE 5 TEMP 6 7
WHITE BLACK GRAY GRAY DARK GREEN DK GREEN / WH

tango1112

Does anyone know HOW to remove these PINS?? Preferably without breaking them...

tango1112

Ok, I found out about a great little tool to remove the pins in the swap.... A plain old ordinary hair pin..... Came across the idea from someone else and sure enough, works better than anything else I was trying... Cheep tool too.

tango1112

Oh.... Does anyone have the pinouts for the color codes that correspond to the 82 Dash Gauge Cluster? I'm needing them to fix this mess.... Evidently I'm getting something totally screwed up and cannot figure it out..