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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 07:00 PM
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Old wiring killing fuel pump

My 89 GTA has eaten 4 fuel pumps. Dropping the tank is no small task. After blaming the pump twice, than a poor ground. I believe I an old wire bug. I will rewire my fuel pump circuit leaving it’s fail safe in tact. Has anyone done thing what their fife?
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 07:04 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

Look into this
https://www.racetronix.biz/product.asp?ic=fpwh-005
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 07:05 PM
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I really hate spell check. “Has anyone ever had this problem with their ride?”
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 07:12 PM
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Thanks I do have access new wiring supplies. I planed on doing the harness myself. I see this kit takes the supply at the alternator. That makes me question, why?
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 07:29 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

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Thanks I do have access new wiring supplies. I planed on doing the harness myself. I see this kit takes the supply at the alternator. That makes me question, why?
I would assume it’s the largest power supply tap other than the starter lug or battery. The alternator power is the closest to the pump.
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 08:21 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

The idea behind the kit is to use a larger gauge cable to reduce potential for voltage drop over the distance from front to rear. The kit mounts a relay by the axle that is switched by the stock fuel pump relay and wiring. It assumes the stock circuit functions, and it still relies on the sender harness to and into the tank.

Not too sure that the kit really does anything worthwhile besides upgrading the power wire to the pump. In stock form, the wiring takes the voltage from the battery through C100, and right to the rear bulkhead and into the tank. Not much to improve on there.
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 08:39 PM
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Not too sure that the kit really does anything worthwhile besides upgrading the power wire to the pump.
They use a 10 gauge wire for their kit, I duplicated it on my build.
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Old Jun 30, 2018 | 11:10 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

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They use a 10 gauge wire for their kit, I duplicated it on my build.
But it still necks down to 16ga when it connects to the fuel tank sender harness.

It's an upgrade, sure... But the question is when does the stock wiring become a limitation?
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Old Jul 1, 2018 | 01:33 AM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

Originally Posted by Drew
It's an upgrade, sure... But the question is when does the stock wiring become a limitation?
It doesn't matter at all if your pump is already delivering enough fuel. In fact more voltage will just make the pump run harder and create more heat.
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Old Jul 1, 2018 | 11:43 AM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

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But it still necks down to 16ga when it connects to the fuel tank sender harness.

It's an upgrade, sure... But the question is when does the stock wiring become a limitation?
That's true, but the 16 gauge is enough for the current draw for the pump. Running a 10 gauge wire to the back, essentially negates any voltage losses over that span, running a bigger than necessary wire is more desirable than one that may be marginal.

I'd rather run some 10 gauge that I already had and have the pump draw less current, than have it pull harder than it needs especially when the weather gets hot.
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Old Jul 1, 2018 | 12:25 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

The pump works harder at higher voltage according to the flow chart. Current goes up a little bit so the motor windings are getting hotter too.

I don't think the hot wire kit is aimed at guys with stock pumps. It is aimed at guys with bigger pumps where the stock wiring would not allow the bigger pump to operate to its potential.

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Old Jul 2, 2018 | 03:23 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

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I don't think the hot wire kit is aimed at guys with stock pumps. It is aimed at guys with bigger pumps where the stock wiring would not allow the bigger pump to operate to its potential.
Agreed, but if the voltage drops too far the pump is going to pull more current, I don't think it is working "harder" at higher voltage, I think it is working "optimally" since it wouldn't be pulling more current. Just like when the voltage in your house drops in the hot months with the higher demand on the grid, all the motors in the house have to pull more current to operate, current=heat, not voltage.
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Old Jul 2, 2018 | 08:36 PM
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Re: Old wiring killing fuel pump

I'm just reading the pump performance curve. Current is going up at higher voltage.
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