turbosbox

When someone PM's before him that they will buy it?

Blackestsunshine was very quick in full payment, but I couldn't get a delivery address from him for the last several days. I do not feel comfortable with someone's money and not promptly giving them what I promised and having them see it first hand. I'm not amazon.com and can't eat the loss if I don't have the buyer look at the items first hand if they later claim it's not all there etc. as it is delivered to and stored by a third party.
He was given a full refund and I hope there are no hard feelings.

Now #2 who PM'd me has said he will meet face to face soon for a cash transaction and hand over of the kit. I can't imagine he won't show up or will be disappointed in the condition of the kit but if so, I'll disclose any concerns he has in the interest of full disclosure and it will be available to #3...

firestorm

You said it was sold cash, yet he never met you to look the parts over and you cant get a delivery address, and somehow you refunded his cash when you are unable to get in touch with him? I am confused.

Twin_Turbo

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Who is #3? I'm kind of getting a little frustrated because of people with " interest" and having to wait. I can't inspect, I trust most of it is there, if not not a big issue. I have bought more incomplete kits and can fab whatever is needed myself usually.

Why can't this be as simple as just sending the money and go from there. I'll take a chance, I always do when buying in the US.

turbosbox

Paypal. Which I do not prefer over cash, but that's part of why it was refunded and moving on.
I was able to get in touch with him. However if you think I'm going to play games of hide and seek for a week then you haven't been following the thread very closely.

Twin_Turbo

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checking your list...

some of these guys have 0 or only a few posts here. Just here to swipe up the good deals? Not saying with only a couple posts you are not a legit buyer but if you have a couple of posts over a span of years it's not like you are investing in the community here.

Ed1LE

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Twin Turbo is an excellent buyer and board member. Hard to find an easier person to deal with!

Badass355ciz28

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Agreed. I believe he has bought something from me as well. No issues

Drew

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Trouble is this forum needs more strict rules and guidelines in the classifieds. Further the rules need to be enforced. Stuff goes on here all the time that would get people kicked off the classifieds or off the site altogether on other forums. Around here it's a free for all. Anyone else noticed the classifieds have gone to crap the past few years?

Even just simple rules like requiring an asking price, and establishing that first person to reply to the thread with an "I'll take it" would help dramatically. Enforcing that backing out of a deal after an "I'll take it" by either the buyer or seller, results in loss of classifieds privileges would take care of a lot of problems.

Locking threads after a week or two of inactivity, restricting "bumping" of threads to the top, etc would really clean up the flow of threads.

Just rambling here because threads like this stick in my craw... Right there with the sellers that never reply to emails or pm's, but come around to bump their threads weekly.

turbosbox

Drew, comments like your's to me are why I'm not active in this forum in 5 years. Reading comprehension problems? If your read through and understood the entire thread, what you said does not apply here. That sticks in my craw.
I did not have full pics and firm price in the first post, because it gave people more time to research the item and get their funds together. However you still get people who want to buy it but don't have the funds.
"Strict rules" how about letting sellers choose to deal with a no hassle buyer e.g. twin turbo who was far behind others who PM'd. I find it's not much fun being a seller or buyer here. Then to get lots of unfair criticism too. This will be my last sale on here. I'll post a pic of the other new in box stuff I have in the dumpster later this week or next week when I get time. It's just not worth my time or criticism trying to offer stuff for sale.

turbosbox

Reply to H S:
Items I still have, new in box
2 or three sets of Iron heads, world products, 2 small block and 1 big block, bare heads
dual valve springs dyno run only
two take out sbc cams
a new MSD? distributer
a used alternator
2 water pumps, one stewart one crate engine take off
new subframe connectors
new wonderbar subframe connector front
rebuilt bare 6 71 blower (would need front drive etc to run on a gas engine) but has rebuilt lobes and bearings
used ignition box msd or crane don't remember
stainless valves new
and other stuff I can't think of as its been sitting new in boxes in my garage about 5+ years.
An intake kit , used, to mate a TBI to the matching real air intake hood, to convert to a true hood scoop (rear facing) for later models that didnt have the open filter lid
kyb gas shocks in box
Some gasket sets, You know you end up with lots of stuff planning a good car rebuild

Twin_Turbo

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Who is H S

ARAMOS3

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So I guess it's officially sold, the Vortec kit?

turbosbox

"HeatSeeker"
Aram I'll let you know Friday, you were next on the list, despite TwinTurbo's steller reputation and intense interest, which he has been open about in the thread and not in PMs.

Twin_Turbo

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I don't like dealing via PM when all I have to say is I'll buy it.

I have now requested container space and blown it off twice. My agent is going to be very unhappy

HeatSeaker... don't see him in the list

turbosbox

HS is not on the list to buy the supercharger, he asked what other items I was going to put in the dumpster. The PM communication does leave other people in the dark or left to guess. As I see you assumed he was now being offered the SC in front of you. NO, he is not. Fri I have a face to face cash appointment firmly scheduled. If not then Aramos3 face to face cash if he comes thru. Then TwinTurbo due to his steller buying reputation and IN STATE shipping will be offered it.
Twin Turbo I do again apologize I could not offer it to you first. If I could do it all over again I would.

Twin_Turbo

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Am I reading this right... you are throwing stuff in the dumpster? Man what a shame. I can hardly get some if that stuff here without a lot of effort

I could build something beautiful with it

Imagine solid roller 383 dart pro1 200s and a one off modular short ram manifold. Classic fast ecu...etc etc. I have everything but the SC. I have an M1 (basically a p1200) but it's not complete

turbosbox

Correct, it's why I offered that stuff to you in PM as a package deal with the vortech, for pennies on the dollar. It would clear out my garage and give me a good reason to bump you to the top of the buyers list before I let anyone else have a chance, as it was a new package deal offer. But you didn't say you were interested in it as a package. It's water under the bridge at this point. Vortech will be sold and the rest will be in a landfill.

Twin_Turbo

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I told you I had no use for some of the parts but could use the SFCs for one. The ign stuff etc alsol. The container costs money too. AND I have to pay close to 30% in taxes over the value + shipping cost. Shipping stuff I have no yse for just costs money

Ed1LE

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What world products heads are they and how much are you asking?
Price on KYB shocks? (I assume these are rears?)

heat seeker

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Thanks for the parts list.....I don't see anything I can use.

Badass355ciz28

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I'm sorry if this is off topic but nice Camaro sir.

turbosbox

It is a very nice car!
I don't understand why someone would ditch turbochargers for a centrifugal supercharger. The turbos require much more fabrication than a complete vortech kit but they can make more power as they use somewhat free exhaust energy instead of crank/pulley/belt. Unless it's about looks ? Twisted rotor superchargers can eliminate lag so that's one reason to go with them and their complicated matching intakes and drives.

Edit: the heads are sportsman II and ??? torquer for 305 combustion chambers. The former with larger ports and latter with more torque oriented design. And the BBC were oval port style, don't recall what they were named, with smaller oval ports for great torque and not high end hp.

Drew

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Thin skin much? I wasn't even criticizing YOU as much as the lack of structure and guidelines that help other similar classifieds on other sites run much smoother.

If you'd bothered to take a photo of what you were selling, and posted what you really wanted instead of begging for bids with a vague "make an offer", you could have saved a lot of headaches. You've got multiple people confused about where they stand because of the way you approached the deal. That's not really your fault, since the forum doesn't really have guidelines to help you avoid the drama.

Go ahead and throw your stuff in the dumpster, that'll teach me. LOL

anesthes

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I'm working on it. I agree, we need to govern the sales a little bit better.

-- Joe

anesthes

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A number of reasons. Most turbo builds look like an abortion, and run like one too. Lots of chest pounding over fast et's, but the majority of the turbo builds on the forum are either under construction for a decade, or have blown up.

The higher end stuff like the banks works well, but people on here don't buy those kits. They fabricate manifolds, and cobble together parts like they are Corky Bell.

A turbo car for max speed stuff is great. If you look at some of the land/sea record stuff they are big inch turbo cars.

For a street car, often by the time it's spooled you are back on the brakes. Your little S-trim pullied properly is a fantastic street blower, and it's not bad at the track either. I used to make over 560hp with one spinning it to 45,000 rpm.

-- Joe

Ed1LE

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Asking price for heads?
What about the shocks? Part #?

turbosbox

A good factual post ! Not to mention many of the turbo pieced together jobs start with a chinese junk turbo off ebay. Not e.g. a turbonetics or other good quality turbo.
I didn't know you could make 560hp with one if everything else supports it. In a light 3rd gen that would be some fun. Did you run a 8rib pulley? or cogged maybe. requiring a blow off valve.

ed1LE, sorry if there was confusion over the other parts, I don't want to sell them. I'm going to work with the vortech buyer on some things (free), and I'm not seeing the subframe connectors at the moment I might have already trashed them, and what he doesn't take there is a car guy I know with some hospital bills, I'm going to see if he wants some other parts (free). he could sell them if HE wants the hassles to pay bills. The rest, I've already said where it will go. Thanks for asking.

anesthes

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Stock 6 rib crank pulley, 3.33" top pulley. DSM blow off valve. Was a 355 with sportsman II heads, and a comp 503 cam. 9:1 compression, made 565hp at 6,000 RPM. Cheap build, but made crazy power. I think I paid $1600 for the kit back in 1999 or 2000.

-- Joe

turbosbox

That's one of the best budget performing build's I've heard of. Not like simply a huge cam and high compression which isn't so streetable.
I wished the magazines had more builds like that in them.

Those heads flowed good for their cheap price. I guess I wasn't too far out thinking they would be good material for a L98 build. Never got to use them however. Moving on to a 5th gen.

Twin_Turbo

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Who is the buyer? One of these guys with 0 post? No input just sweeping up the good deals?

Just amazed at how this goes. Could have sent money ages ago. Deal would be done. Now it's still not sure what is and what is not.... secret behind the scenes buyers with 0 post who sneakingly deal via PM.

It has never been so hard to buy something as here

I agree something should be done about the for sale section. I have had where I sent a guy the asking price only to get refunded a week later because some azzhat decided to bid more and sweep it from under me. Ethics are at times pretty poor here. Same as here. IMO when someone sends mo ey they OWN what they paid for. If the seller doesn't want to deal with the buyer he should not accept payment in the first place

turbosbox

I made a list because people PM'd also. Yes, I think people should post in the thread instead. I would have made that 'rule' if I knew that would happen.
I in fact am giving the person within the hour a pair of new heads and gaskets worth $700 shipped in addition to the supercharger. If a person is paid cash and does drive over to pick up the item, or at least say where it can be dropped off sure deal is done. If a person sends a reversable transaction like paypal (and doesn't even include their fees taking out of the sellers pocket by the way), and doesn't let you even deliver the parts for several days, screw that.

Edit: oh and I was offered more but I don't work that way.

Twin_Turbo

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So now a guy with 0 posts who doesn't even have the decency to introduce himself or to contribute a thing here swoops in for the deal. Nice.

People with less than a certain amount of posts shouldnt even be able to PM.

What a waste of time.

blacksunshine'91

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Uh, nope. Don't distort the facts. Sent payment via paypal and asked you how much the fees were so that I could cover them. You said they were $24 and to not worry about it. It was a day and a half while I worked out the delivery details with my mom so that I didn't waste your time. I could have had you ship it instead but you said you preferred to drop it off instead of dealing with the hassle of shipping. You communicated ZERO concerns about payment, payment method, delivery, or any other issues before you abruptly cancelled the deal and refunded the money. Not one time prior to the cancellation of the deal did you voice any concerns about using paypal. I could have easily used an alternative payment method. Then you tell me that you don't like to use third parties yet are willing to ship it other people.

no new tires

O-dang.

turbosbox

Blacksunshine. I told you I had time to transact Sunday or Monday, and asked repeatedly for dropoff instructions. You said someone else would get back to me on that. The days passed, and only when I said I'm done deal is off, did I actually get a text from the 3rd party to try to coordinate the transaction. I also said I don't like paypal because it can be reversed on a whim later. Or 3rd parties with no proof of delivery.
I think it summed it up best when you said after I canceled and refunded you "Oh I thought those things were only WHAT YOU WANTED". In other words what I want is not important to you unless I cancel dealing with you. Now you learned what a seller wants matters. I had a great simple face to face cash transaction and the buyer is very happy. Best of luck to you in the future.

Edit: Also the amount I requested as paypal as $250 non refundable (so if I drove an hour away and he was a no show...). No problem don't do what the seller asks and see what happens. You only mentioned to pay the $24 fee AFTER you chose to send the full amount and I was shorted, which is not what I wanted. Why wouldn't a person add the fee from the start so the person got paid what he asked? and offer to pay for delivery gas as a sign of good will? Or drive the whole distance for a great deal? The deal got worse and worse for me.

Twin_Turbo

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So who bought it? The guy with 0 posts?

This went like politics..behind the scenes schemers ugh.

Time to keep an eye on ebay. It'll be on there...guaranteed

Twin_Turbo

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This crap needs to be fixed asap. May I suggest that an I will buy in the topic trumps PM for obvious visibility to all Theres no checking what goes on in PM
Users with less than a certain amount of posts shouldnt be able to PM

no new tires

TGO has been on a downward last over the last 10 years...smh -

turbosbox

Yes and in hindsight I agree, I could have helped prevent PM buys, by stating ONLY POSTS will be considered. I will take part of the blame for not seeing that coming. As you see I don't come here often and only sell or buy on ebay now. So it didn't come to mind. And now mostly I don't sell on ebay in part due to bidders who don't pay. I would rather give my stuff to someone I like or throw it away than go through those frustrations.
I went back and checked, and he doesn't have any posts. So I can't debate if a frequent post'er should have priority. I was going to post his user name, and no personal details for respect for his privacy but now I suspect he would get flamed badly for not having posts and PM'd for the buy. So unless a mod posts it I will respect his privacy. He was a great person to have a transaction with that I know. He said he has a 3rd gen he is trying to complete and these parts will help him build it into his dream car. That works for me.

Twin_Turbo

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He only has post peddling parts.

blacksunshine'91

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Twist it how you see fit. You are the first person I've had a problem buying stuff from, and I've bought a lot of stuff on these boards. I stand by my statement that at no point did you express any issues until after you cancelled the buy. As I told you Sunday night, my mom was at church and choir practice most of the day on Sunday and was getting some house repairs on Monday. When you told me she hadn't given you an address, I called her and she immediately contacted you. It simply slipped her mind on Monday. I didn't include the fees in the initial payment because I didn't know what they were. That is why I asked what they were so that I could cover them for you. I am a stand up individual and would have covered any fees and/or gas money involved. Ask anybody on these boards who has dealt with me and I am certain they would back me up.

On a side note, I think it is really dumb that you threw away parts instead of passing them on. There are a lot of younger folks that are just getting started in our hobby that could use the assistance. Something as simple as some used MSD wires can help out a high school teenager who doesn't have the money to buy brand new ones. As they say, pay it forward.

acesena4

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@Twin_Turbo
Hi. I do have 0 posts. I’m not one to post pictures online, that goes for my car and myself. It’s not a matter of lacking in decency, just a personal preference for privacy. Any technical assistance I would be able to provide someone with my limited mechanical experience would have already been provided, and could be found through a search.

I come onto this board to learn how best to work on my car and troubleshoot when something goes wrong. That doesn’t mean I’m not invested in the thirdgen community. Investment in a technical site’s community isn’t defined by one’s number of posts.

Just like you don’t like to send a pm when all you have to say is I’ll buy it, I don’t like posting on an open forum when that’s all I have to say since there are only two parties involved in a purchase. It’s not scheming, there was no sweeping, no sneaking, and no swooping as that would imply you expressed interest/intent to buy first. It’s just dealing directly. I see your concern about this method leaving others unaware, but others’ awareness of intent to buy isn’t a requisite for a sale.

You were very vocal on the open forum about wanting the SC, but that followed 6 other members, including myself. I was fortunate enough to get it after the owner’s previous deal fell through for whatever reason. I don’t know the details of that situation, and it’s none of my business.

Regardless of whether I had a thousand posts or 0, you would still be upset with the outcome of this situation, and that’s understandable, it was a hell of a deal, and I was fortunate in this instance.

The parts I have on the classified section are either parts that came from my car, or ones I bought for it but couldn’t use so I put them on there to try to help others out since you never know what somebody could want or use. I’ve even posted a few pretty good parts, I think, for free, which I need to mail to a couple of members. No peddling going on.

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@blacksunshine’91
I can’t speak about your situation, so I won’t try. I’ll say I’m sorry things didn’t work out with your deal.

I can’t speak about all the parts turbosbox listed, but at least regarding the heads and a few other items we spoke about today, he isn’t trashing. He’s giving them to me and the rest to the person he mentioned which can sell the parts to pay for his hospital bills. I hope this doesn’t add insult to injury, since this isn’t my intention in any way. I just wanted to point out that although I’m not a high school kid, I’m a fairly-young person, and turbosbox has helped me immensely with my thirdgen project through his generosity. He is paying it forward.

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If anybody has any questions, comments or concerns, please feel free to pm me.

Twin_Turbo

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Bullshit. You are a leech. You just take and take. You do not post here to contribute to the community (without contributing members there is no community) yet you DO post to sell your stuff. Now when theres a good deal and some bonus free parts... in swoops you to rake up the spoils.

Without contributing members there would not have been a community for you to lurk around on....all you do here is made possible by those non selfish individuals who see that its a give and take system.

turbosbox

He seems like a nice person to me. More of an introvert instead of an extrovert. Not all of us enjoy unfair criticism so either don't post, don't read at all, or "lurk".
I'm not really arguing your inputs of what might make a better "for sale" process as I've said before. Ebay has it fairly well figured out, but it does get tiresome looking at ads here who simply say go look at my junk over on Ebay for sale now.

acesena4

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@Twin_Turbo,
I won't get into it with you. And I won't resort to name calling. This will be my final response, unless you'd like to switch to pm.

Anything I could state to actively contribute, because of the extent of my mechanical skills, has already been covered by other members. Some of what I do contribute is the parts you mentioned, which are more meant for people getting their cars running, not necessarily those with great to immaculate cars, with the exception of maybe a couple of items.

I'd been hoping to buy a SC for a few years now, so within a few days of turbosbox posting, I pm'd him about buying it. If for whatever reason, forum rules would have had it that only expressing intent to buy by posting on the open forum grants you the ability to purchase an item from a seller, I'd have done that, and would in that case have still done it before you.

turbosbox listed the SC on 1/28. If anything, you tried swooping in by coming in on 2/10 and saying you'll buy it, days after others that had already expressed interest and willingness to buy, both through pm-which you couldn't see- and on the open forum, which you could see, but bypassed.

You're right, a lot of what I do on here is in fact made possible by non selfish individuals who shared their knowledge. To them, I am incredibly grateful and indebted. My car maybe would not be running today if it weren't for everything I've read on this site and put to use. I think this is in some small part the purpose of this board, regardless of whether or not visitors or members actively contribute.

Best of luck with finding the missing pieces to your M1 or an alternative source. That looks like a nice build.

Drew

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Come on guys, people are trying to buy, sell, and dream over here. Take the debate to PMs or just get over it already.

LOL "You have included 13 images in your message. You are limited to using 12 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again. "