Alright. I have a ton of pics for you guys. The exhaust is done and it sounds pretty damn good if you ask me. I'll get a clip of that soon.

I took the first real ride in it on Friday, not a long trip (still no seat belts ) but just nailing it through 1st and 2nd. WOW, the swap was worth it I think.

Now its time to make it look good on the inside and I need some new wheels.

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I still need a Heater Box, overflow tank, and some new under hood insulation.

4th gen rear with the IROC wheels still, a little ******* looking I think.

... A better look.

Its a little low, but not that bad.

New panels.

Almost done.

definitely get wheels with the fourth gen offset or even more. glad i didn't get the rearend of of the donor car for my project now .your car should look good with diferent wheels.

i love the look of the rear stickin out, too bad youll probably rub the wells perrty good. keep us updated with some more pics. i lovee the sound of that thing:hail: :hail:

That sound clip was with open headers, its a little more quiet now.

Yeah the wheels have to go , but the draglites will look good also, if I ever get them. The rears will be a 4th gen offset, the fronts 3rd gen of course.

I think I might start a new thread when its all done, and put a sound clip in it. I dont know, we'll see.

I'll update again in a few days.

Glad to see that the project is up and running and you are able to bang some gears.

After seeing how low the exhaust sits I am a little concerned about my project now, seeing that my car is dropped 2 inches. I just hope the 9inch rear makes up the difference. The bad news is that my car will not be done for atleast 10 weeks and that means snow will be falling before the car is done.

Yeah 2 inches closer to the ground would deffinately cause some problems. I dont know if you have seen Knyghtmares car, but his Y-Pipe is made just like that of a stock TPI car, its not going to flow as well but you wont have any clearance issues so...

Ahh, just put some snow tires on there and you will be fine.

I almost done with the interior. What do ya think? The door sills, kick panels, and armrest's (door pulls) are on their way, then find a radio and swap the seat belts out of the IROC and I'm in business.

Oh, I found out that the gas pedal was hitting the carpet thus not giving me full throttle on the first couple of test drives. I bent the gas pedal bar a little more and went for another test drive, I didnt think it would make that much of a difference, but it did! The thing pulls even harder now. Hopefully I can get the car inspected Friday and head to the Drag Strip on Saturday and get some baseline numbers. Then the modding will begin for some winter projects.

How do you like the T54L60E shifter boot up there?

Heres another pic. of the motor with the overflow tank in. I'm thinking of getting another small one to fit right by the radiator, that stock one is just too damn big.

Looking real good man!! Just to point something out that I read...You may want to reconsider using the TPI Y intake piece. I heard that it doesn’t flow well enough to let the stock LS1 breath.

Made your final decision on wheels yet?

Interior looks nice and clean.......:hail:

Well done... I haven't been on the board in a long time and I remember when you just started the project...


I've been wrenching on a early 2nd gen LS1 project lately and it's been interesting to say the least....


That's what it's all about...

saving a buck, doing it urself, making it fast......


Sweet.

The shifter boot looks good . Where did you get it from?

I havent heard anything about the TPI intake being too restrictive, hmm... I know Bruce (Hawks) has been using them on his customers cars. I dunno, it might get changed someday. In fact the thing hasent even been gutted and it has some paper filters in it still. Bit trust me that is going to change at the drag strip. I'll be making alot of changes at the strip to see what certain mods will produce, filters being one.

FLYNLOW: Thanks, and Weld Prostar's is what I'm thinkin'.

cgb: I couldnt have said it better. Good luck on your swap.

RS Chris: Its just a stock T-5 shifter plate and boot, I wasnt planning on leaving it there since its an automatic, but now its starting to grow on me. Kinda reminds me of the earlier vettes that had a similar look to them.


Also, I cant wait to get to the track. It feels like its good for an 8.0 (in the 8th) right now. Everything is stock, with the exception of the exhaust, thats the PCM tune, 2.78 gears, and stock converter. Cant wait to see what the TR224 cam, a 3600 stall, and 3.73's will do. Did I mention that I couldnt wait?

Stangklr , i'm doing the swap also but using an M6 tranny , the shfter plate in my automatic is perfect , you wanna swap? lemme know.

I haven't been on TGO in awhile, and I came across your post. The swap looks awesome!

I was thinking of doing an LS1 in my 91 RS, but i think im going to hold off for a bit and learn a little more about these car's before I do. When I'm ready, pick up a clean Z/RS and go to town.

Looks great, congrats!

As for the coolant tank, some guys are using a *cough*Ford*cough* coolant/washer fluid resavour from a truck. Its not that big and should fit on either side of engine bay (battery tray).

I have another T-5 plate in perfect condition also. I'll PM you in a couple of days, and get some info.

Red91CamaroRS: Thanks for the comps. Knowledge is priceless. I've seen some people use those tanks, I'll have to check into that some more, but I'm thinking a little one mounted right beside the radiator might look better, we'll see. Good luck on any future swaps.

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The good/bad stuff. I went to the strip tonight and was a little disappointed but I think my expectations were a little too high. Made 4 passes and: (1/8th mile)

1st run 2.04 60ft, 8.76 @ 81.95mph (paper filters)
2nd run 2.00 60ft, 8.76 @ 81.78mph (paper filters)
3rd run 1.98 60ft, 8.63 @ 83.30mph (no filters)
4th run 1.97 60ft, 8.61 @ 83.21mph (no filters)

All the burnouts were about the same, 4 seconds roughly. Tire pressure was 30psi the whole night (this is something I need to play with in the future). The tires are BFG DR's BTW. It felt like good traction, but there was some spinning going on off the line.

So... this was just the first shakedown run on the car and more or less just having some fun at the strip, so I'm really not that dissappointed, but there is also alot of room for improvement so...
First thing to do is get hacking on the PCM, and some Spohn suspension stuff is in order soon.

Lots of things to do over the winter.

Those are about average times. Back when I was stock with only an intake and catback I ran 8.5's.

StngKlr !nice work there!I can buy a 2001 z28 LS1 engine with a automatic trasmission only 20000Km on odometer!the seller a german bmw dealer doesnt know sh... about Fbodys!
He wants to sell me the ls1 with acc +trans and exhaust and eninge harness!should i battle for the whole car which is always smarter ( fuellines,pump bla,bla) or can you list some things you wish you had gotten with your engine deal!
All ideas from others who are also hunting for a ls1 swap welcome!
I mailed him today and will have more infos on vin and if itsa german or us model tomorrow!

never did get the PM , just wanted to remind you.

G-M: If its possible I would get the whole car from the guy. Things like tranny cooler lines, power steering lines, fuel lines etc... really tripped me up a little bit. Those are items that if you dont have them, then that is more time spent waiting for parts to arrive, thus making the swap drag a bit. So yeah, haggle with him and get the whole car if you can. Good luck man.





Ahh alright. I'm in the middle of changing the Damn oil pan out on the car right now, so needless to say its been taking up alot of the spare time I have.

For all of you guys, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A F-BODY OIL PAN BEFORE YOU INSTALL THE ENGINE. Trust me, learn from my mistakes.

that has to be a PITA to change out the oil pan... espescially considering you JUST had the y-pipe fabbed up. I'm curious as to what 1/4 mile runs you'll make. Your low end is good atleast according to the 1/8th miles

Its not so much the Y-Pipe, heck it comes out after undoing 9 bolts, its more like the K-Member being in the way. Basically, I had to unbolt the tranny and TC and shove it back then hoist the motor up about a foot then pull the pan out. Its a 1,2,3... 35,36,37 Step Process. Oh well, once its in, I wont have to worry about smacking it on the ground anymore.

As for the 1/4, I'll say its good for a low 13 right now.

we need some fast ls1 block id info!!!!!!!!!
sticker on the motor is :code : WHB????????? a real 2001 ls1?

StngKlr we are picking up the 2001 LS1 next week!
Well we tryed all to get the whole thing but the Insurance forced the Dealer to only sell parts!This is due to our russian neighbours who come to germany get wrecks and the use the wreck title to "pull" out real cars at nite!
So we are getting Trans, exha,driveshaft,rear axle and a pile of other parts !

We are keeping our diff. style!
No aircon, no power strg, no Vats, man brakes !BUT we now want all emmission stuff...didnt had that with our dual carb tunnel ram but this was heavy on taxes due to our german tax law that then puts you in the lowest emission class with high dollar bills for that 383 cub motor!
The car will only have a Intel pent 4 onboard pc and one race seat .....in our drag class the car needs: plates and Front/taillites and a exhaust below 100 phone,slicks are ok as long as they dont stick out!


Some Q´s : How much weight for a LS1?Is the hight of a Ls1 lower?Does somebody have a pic of a stock 2001 ls1 with automatic trans from below ( would love to see the exhaust stock set up)!As we dont have any caddy style or old man luxury feat. in it i was thinking a stand alone ls1 harness would be the way????Fuel pumps????First drive it and the ripp it for a cam upgrade??? we just got a load of corvette ls1 80mm BBk TB for cheap can we use those on a fbody? bbk lists another number for corvette and fbodys????anyone with more cheap hop ups like egr pipe cutback?We picked up some Ls1 parts this may and need some info: 1. will a ls1 vette maf work on a fbody and are there diff maf like on the c4 and 3 rd gen years?2. a 99 Z28 ls1 pcm and harness works on a 2001 unit?

LS1 should be approx 100lbs lighter, MOST standalone systems dont have provisions for emissions, corvette TB's use fly-by-wire hook ups and dont run throttle cables, will be an issue with the bbk throttle bodies, 99 LS1 pcm and wiring haress will work with 2001 setup, but the 99 pcm with have wires for EGR(not used on 2001) that you will not need and it will set a code for it unless you have it disabled.

Thanx clint! yah we searched in our books and online and the TB of the corvette is no problem for speartech!
need to get more facts before we roll...funny is that there is a carb intake on the market...that made us laugh alot!


STILL we need to know were we can break down some CPU info and the sticker and numbers of the motor!

the 99 Z28 CPU and harness we already had has number:
serv no 09354896 cwjp + hdw no 16220610

the ls1 motor we got has the number code:WHB

Glad to hear you got the most of the parts you will need, the rest shouldnt be that hard to come by.

The LS1 will sit lower than anything else you can put in there. I used a stock tank/pump and a 99 Vette filter/regulator assembly for the fuel system. I've hear the LS1 weighs slightly more than a V6.

www.mortec.com is where you can search for engine block codes.

Looks liike CamaroCain has helped with the rest. Thanx man.

Let us know how it goes.

Yah as soon as we hit back to our club HQ i will make pics!
got some 98 fbody and 97 vette shop manuals out of our club book store and had to laugh how heavy the are!the 91 shop manual is one book , the 98 fbody uses 3 and its looooottsss of electronic stuff to read and jump into!

we thought of going with a motown for the last 2 years but the ls1 project will again put us in the top ranks of tech over here and therefor its the far better way of motor to have!

i read the post again and you did splice the harness you had to the ls1 how about the cpu?do you have codes?did you flashed it???

does someone have a link to a third gen with a ls1 /460le running empty (race trim no old man luxury stuff) to see the 1/4 mls times?

"factory" third gen 1/4 mls times also welcome!

it would be nice to to get a own forum on third gen for lt1 and ls1 stuff!

The wiring is really tough to explain for me because I basically had to make a whole new body harness from scratch. The wiring in this car was ate up when I got it so... The LS1 wiring was pretty easy to do, theres only about 15 wires that need to be spliced and about 4 relays need to be wired. Search for a guy named Magnus over at www.LS1Tech.com in the Conversion/Hybrid Forum. He has some wiring info that will help you on his website.

I'm pretty sure I have codes right now, and the PCM hasnt been touched yet either. I need to get some software pretty quick, AutoTap or something, because after changing out the oil pan and getting it all back together, now the Tranny wants to stay in 1st gear and nothing else.
So now would be a good time to have something like that to see what the hell is up with it. Oh well, I guess I'll pull the tranny pan and see whats up.

Good luck on your swap dude.

Hi StngKlr!

What a nite mare....my S10 baby didnt start ...Batt dead!
Went to order a dual mount pick up date Saturday grrrrr!
Took a rental Truk only to stop on the Highway and modify the gaspedal hahahahah!Those fools had a adjuster under the pedal to prevent "TOPSPEED"! took that out and the truck screamed to 1000000RPM hahaha!

Ok the pick up when pretty cool and we loaded parts for an hour
took some picks and headed back home ...TRAFFIC....!Took the rental Truck back and right on the Motor which was still on the K-member.....!
I took the K-member off minutes after the pic and the first diff
parts show up....pushed the lite baby in our shop and then head with all the Option codes and nr.s on to ls1.com...did stay there yesterday all nite and was pizzzz dd that the ls1 is no biggy there hahaha people are hunting for 7.0 l ls2 engines....oops!


Can someone tell me how to trace a Z28 LS1 at gm :

1. what dealer got it? the Option code pushes a EXP for export the dealer said a french bizz sucker left it there and took a new Bimmer after the Camaro accident....no Title!I got stuff the vin tags,option code door sticker and a BMW receipt..!

Still it would be nice to trace the Z28 roots!

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german-motorsport: Congrats on the purchase of the LS1. As for all of the research on the history of the car, you got me on that one. Maybe try to do a carfax ( www.carfax.com ) on it. Or if you had the original window sticker, that would make it easier I bet. Good luck on the rest of the swap. Another thing I would suggest is to start up a new Thread on your swap. You will get many more people looking at it, and quite possibly more help if you need it down the line. My thread is so big now, I doubt many people are looking at it all the way through to page 7.


As for the car: the tranny is completely hosed now, I'm currently searching for a new one. But on the upside, HP Tuners software is on the way. Now lets see how bad I can screw up the tune on this thing. Nah, I've been doing my fare share of researching on PCM tuning. I dont think it will be that hard.

I hope nobody minds that I keep bringing this post back up, tell me to stop and I will.

After pulling the tranny and finding out that the pump was hosed, I figured I would just have another one put in and re-use the tranny. So I took it to a shop and had a new pump put in it. Put the tranny back in, along with a used 3500 stall, and the damn thing still wouldnt shift into second gear (same problem as before). So then I thought I should get the computer scanned before I do anything else. Hooked up the laptop with the HPtuners on it and found a bunch of tranny codes. Turns out that a relay was bad, replaced it and no more codes. This, however, did not cure my tranny problems. So now I'm like WTF? Just for grins I decided to take the car for a ride while running a scan on the PCM. This is where it gets real funny. Turns out that the VSS is not working, which inturn makes the PCM NOT command a 1-2 shift. Keep in mind I still have no speedometer in the car, and there is no other way of finding this out unless I have the HPtuners software. So somehow I guess I banged the sensor during the oil pan swap and killed it, I dunno???? Wed. a new sensor should be here, and hopefully it will work. A $22.00 sensor has been giving me hell for the best part of 3 weeks.

To top it off, I think the guy who put the pump in, installed the wrong O-Ring on the input shaft, causing it to leak really bad. I guess I wont be getting away with not pulling the tranny out again. Who wants to help???

BTW, with the stall in, you can burn rubber like none other all the way through first, after first I dont know.

learn by doing hahahahahahah

A little tough love from The Fatherland?

But seriously, throwing parts at an OBD-II powertrain isn't going to get results as cleanly as a good scanner.

I vote for a 6 speed.

Well i guess ya alltook this as a joke!
Didnt get on with the LS1 due to some TPI engine sales in the club..but made big pics to look at before i go to bed!

The sensor thing made me laugh cause we daily talk during lunch about PC and computer stuff on cars and the funny things a connector or in this case a simple 22$ item can pull on a owner!
What software or what companies are ya choosing to make the ls1 baby run in our 3rd gens?Prices...a flash for 350$????plssss

we too choose to finally jump on the LS1 trip to get the "know how " by working on them and i´ll sure pay my "bill" with the conversion on the ls1 route!

HP tuner...oops and i thought everybody is using ls1edit..hahahah

still need some 10. to 10.5 sec on the 1/4 mls WEBSITE CARS!
Post some links people ....

I've never used LS1Edit before, but with the HPtuners new pricing, it would be hard for anyone to choose Edit over the HPtuners. I just missed the new pricing also.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238825

There is plenty of 10 second LS1's out there, I'm not personally shooting for 10's, but who knows. Look on www.LS1tech.com and you will find some. If you're talking about 3rdgen LS1's in the 10's then I dont know, Speartech's car is damn close though.

Wish me luck guys.

LS1edit is locked to the PCM 's VIN # while HP Tuners is locked only to the year of the PCM and to the particular platform i.e. F-body (Camaros and Firebirds ) , Y-body ( Corvette ) , etc. If you have a couple of buddies with the same year/ same platform you all can use the one HP Tuner package , while with LS1 edit , you can only use it on one car. HP Tuners is vastly superior.

badjuju342 thanx for the info!didnt really care about the topic cause our tpi folks all liked the otc 4000e unit we are using till today!
With ls1 everything is getting hyped alot and reading the HP war on ls1 com made me smile....i guess as said in the thread the price war is on !I would like a brain war..lol...so reading this thread and StngKlr adventures hahhah we all learn by doing...

yaeh i am watching the spaertech very close too....the magna charger price was a bit ooops but i like the space it gives up front !
the vortech gang is loosing vital space in front of the engine...

Hopefully everyone can learn from my mistakes, that is the reason why I started this thread way back when.

With HPtuners new pricing structure, you can get two model years for less than what I paid for one. Kinda sux, but things like that happen all the time. Hopefully the software will pay for itself down the road, just gotta find some 99's to tune. Then I'll get two more years and be nearly F-Body covered.

Just got the new VSS, but I guess I'd rather be on the computer than seeing if it is gonna solve my problems.

Well guess what.......................... It works.

I can tell this thing is going to be a gas guzzler now. Its gonna take awhile to get used to this stall also.

But pls wait awhile before you open a bizz on ls1 cars!hahahah
Too often have i seen people weeks later with a bizz card in the internet...LOL!
Good to hear that the 22$ part made the baby move...stall---well owners you lay rubber at MC Donnald need some gazz cash...hahahah!
did you took it out for a spin?
ill send you a mail in the next days about HP need some further info before i order...

Any more HP users?
LS1 swappers?????