mory

a dude that works with me crashed the mock1 2003 mustang (390 horses). he has paid cash 4 the car and has already taken out the engine and the trany. he wants 2 give it 2 me 4 free. yes free. he does not want it. hes moving on with another car and said i can have the motor and his budy has a cobra and is taking the trany. ok i dont know anything about swaping engines. but will this thing bolt up or even fit? if so ill take it if not ill sell it. dont hate me guys 4 talking 2 a mustang guy but is this somthing 2 look forward 2? ill take pictures of it. will the 700r4 B compatible. what els i need from him?

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Forget it. Nothing will bolt up, a bunch of fabrication would be required, project would take months to complete, etc., etc., etc.

If he gives you the engine, sell it and use the proceeds for something worthwhile.

(Just curious, what happened to the car?)

mory

everything was cool he hit a light pole i wonder why the ins comp didnt take the car? can i use other stuff in the engine or just sell the whole engin. how much is this thing worth anyway?

Maindrian Pace

The complete motor with the wiring harness and ecm is worth about 3 grand. You could sell it and get an LT1. Yes, the LT1 is less powerful...but it'll actually fit and bolt up in a 3rdgen. Plus, people won't be asking you wtf you put a Ford engine in a GM.

Btw...03 Mach 1 is rated at 305. The 03-04 Cobra is the one with 390.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

Take it, sell it, buy an LS1, swap in the LS1.......

87t-5.0transam

I'd agree the LS1 has more bang for your buck even if you do have to modify your engine mounts but now with what thirdgenresource has its much easier. So a little amount of fabrication and you got something REAL fun to play with.

mory

good lookin out. i need 2 find out where 2 find an LS1. maybe the recycler.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

LS1, as the stickies at the top of this forum will tell you, is a significant undertaking as well. Even a V6 to V8 swap is involved, and being in CA, emissions has to be accomodated.

From your questions, I'd guess that this is beyond what you've done yourself so far. Look over the stickies, and if you have questions beyond what's covered, PM those who have done it or go ahead and ask questions.

Air_Adam

Drop that 390hp/6 speed in a '67 Mustang... THAT would be cool

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

True, but that's not 3rd gen and therefore we won't take that any farther.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

A note from your local friendly Moderator:

I've taken the liberty to cleanse this thread of it's non-tech content. There was some "advice" offered that was intended to make the posts easier to read, and some banter that followed that got out of line. I, I'll have to admit, participated in some of that banter. Offense was taken, although none was really intended.

But, that's not what we're about here. We're here to share technical information about our hobby, and we've become somewhat of a "family" doing it. We tend to know where to draw the line with each other, but when someone who hasn't been around much comes in, respect is in order and a little latitude should be given while they get their footing.

mory, again my apologies for the breech of civility. Personally, I intended no disrespect. However, we should aim for the same cyber-civility that we'd expect in person.

Having said that, I doubt there's much more to be said about this topic as it originally began, but I'll leave it open just to show that I am trying to be a nice guy.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

You can keep the car if you're willing to reduce the settlement by the salvage value of what's left.

pasky

Just because its a lot of work doesn't mean it can't be dobe, why not assess what needs to be done to get that motor into a thirdgen first and see what has to be modified before making the decision to sell it. Its worth at least taking a look at.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Well, that's why he came here, and there are many people who are sufficiently familiar with both the 3rd gen and the modular Ford to know that it wouldn't be a straight-forward process. Neither is the LS1, but it makes more sense.

pasky

Yea and this is the same board that told someone to sell thier LT5 after getting it for $1200 (whether he was lying or not) rather than swap it in . Theres too many nay sayers on this board that jump to conclusions so quickly. Im just telling the guy to check it out for himself before asking for advice.

Basically what im trying to say is thier would be no "LS1 Swap" or "Lt1 swap" if everyone were to listen to most of the posters on here.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

I would have swapped that thing in the car in a heartbeat...

The problem with this situation is that nobody has done it before, so it's hard to offer advice, we can only advise from past experiences and what we have seen work

You may want to go to a local body shop and get their opinions, and do some research through them....

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Two words: "California Emissions".

That should be the factor foremost in mind here. They give you enough hassles putting a 350 in a carb'd or TBI 305 car, imagine the treatment you'd get with a different make engine in your car.

When I first discovered this Board, I had already done my V6 - V8 swap. Had I known about this Board beforehand, I would have avoided a bunch of pitfalls. As I was cleaning the 305/TH700 while suspended on the cherrypicker in my driveway, getting ready to stab it into the receptor car, a neighbor drove up in his '87 Formula 350 TPI for which he had just paid $90 more than I paid for my V8 donor car - and I paid real money for the receptor car, plus things that needed to be changed in the swap (V8 exhaust was crushed, for instance). Others were relating similar experiences. So, even I became a nay-sayer about the V6 to V8 swap.

However, affordable factory V8 cars aren't as plentiful as they were even a couple of years ago. Gen I 350's are even becoming harder to find (the last $100 350 builder I saw around here was the one I sold in 1998). LT1 swaps are becoming more common, and as long as that supply lasts, they are a good way to go for emissions-friendly power. LS1 have almost eclipsed LT1 swaps, because that supply is becoming more plentiful.

Who knows, in a couple of years a modular Ford may be cheap and easy enough to get that it makes more sense to go that route than any Gen SBC. If that day comes, mory, we'll all look back to you as a visionary...

mory

So what site can i go too so i can learn more about the LT1 and LS1? what cars are they currently in now as stock? maybe i can find a person who has wrecked or has no intrest in the car its in. Im probably going to have a shop do it If and only if everything is worth the price. What price am i looking at here?

pasky

LT1: http://www.camaroz28.com

LS1: http://www.ls1.com
http://www.ls1tech.com

91GTABird

Pasky, i remember the guy that sayed he could get the LT5 for $1200. He found it in a junkyard, and everyone told him to get what they had.

pasky

Yea, unfortunate how the thread got locked.