intake manifold choice
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intake manifold choice
Well, my first v8 swap happened to be very interesting. Basically, i got a non running 88 rs with the 305tbi. I also had an unknown sbc that was going in. Long story short, i learned a lot about cams, timing, intakes, exhaust, fuel systems, and carburetors. After many months of tweaking and wondering why it wasn't running right i finally found out all the specs to the motor.
3970010 block w/327 large journal forged crank, speedpro forged dome top pistons, 462 camel hump heads, ported w/ 2.02/1.60 stainless, weiand single plane with 3/4" raised plenum, 650 holley dp, t-5 w/ 4.10's. Cam is a crane cams mechanical flat tappet #111411 292/300 adv. dur, 256/264 dur @ .050, .545/.563 lift, 105 LSA.
I removed the ecu, wires, sensors, a/c condenser. I put in an all new fuel system and dual 2.5" exhuast w/ headers, magnaflow mufflers and no cats.
I've had a hell of a time getting it to idle right, and to be street friendly. freaking hell.

Which brings us to my main question: What difference will i see switching to an Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap?? A bunch of forums say that it is good for all around power, but how will it do with a cam who's operating power band is 4200-7200??? And how about a top end?? i have become quite used to taking it to 7000rpm just because it sounds good and it has ridiculous power.
-Josh
3970010 block w/327 large journal forged crank, speedpro forged dome top pistons, 462 camel hump heads, ported w/ 2.02/1.60 stainless, weiand single plane with 3/4" raised plenum, 650 holley dp, t-5 w/ 4.10's. Cam is a crane cams mechanical flat tappet #111411 292/300 adv. dur, 256/264 dur @ .050, .545/.563 lift, 105 LSA.
I removed the ecu, wires, sensors, a/c condenser. I put in an all new fuel system and dual 2.5" exhuast w/ headers, magnaflow mufflers and no cats.
I've had a hell of a time getting it to idle right, and to be street friendly. freaking hell.


Which brings us to my main question: What difference will i see switching to an Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap?? A bunch of forums say that it is good for all around power, but how will it do with a cam who's operating power band is 4200-7200??? And how about a top end?? i have become quite used to taking it to 7000rpm just because it sounds good and it has ridiculous power.

-Josh
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Re: intake manifold choice
Welcome to the forums.
I checked Edelbrock's website, it says that the Performer RPM Air Gap is supposed to make power between 1500-6500 rpm, however iirc from people writing in to chevy magazines I read, those ratings are for a 350 c.i.d. engine (someone chime in if I'm wrong). If I'm correct that intake should probably rev to 7000 when installed on your 327.
I checked Edelbrock's website, it says that the Performer RPM Air Gap is supposed to make power between 1500-6500 rpm, however iirc from people writing in to chevy magazines I read, those ratings are for a 350 c.i.d. engine (someone chime in if I'm wrong). If I'm correct that intake should probably rev to 7000 when installed on your 327.
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The Performer RPM's powerband is a function of the runner length, so being on a smaller engine won't make it rev any higher (unlike a camshaft - but even then, it wouldn't be a 500 RPM difference, maybe 100 RPMs).
Bottom line is there isn't an intake out there that will make that engine street-friendly. The cam is the reason for that. Not that you couldn't drive it on the street, but the power will always come in at a high RPM.
A Victor Jr. is the right intake for that cam. If you want it to be more street friendly, put in a smaller cam and then install the Performer RPM.
Bottom line is there isn't an intake out there that will make that engine street-friendly. The cam is the reason for that. Not that you couldn't drive it on the street, but the power will always come in at a high RPM.
A Victor Jr. is the right intake for that cam. If you want it to be more street friendly, put in a smaller cam and then install the Performer RPM.
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Re: intake manifold choice
The Performer RPM's powerband is a function of the runner length, so being on a smaller engine won't make it rev any higher (unlike a camshaft - but even then, it wouldn't be a 500 RPM difference, maybe 100 RPMs).
Bottom line is there isn't an intake out there that will make that engine street-friendly. The cam is the reason for that. Not that you couldn't drive it on the street, but the power will always come in at a high RPM.
A Victor Jr. is the right intake for that cam. If you want it to be more street friendly, put in a smaller cam and then install the Performer RPM.
Bottom line is there isn't an intake out there that will make that engine street-friendly. The cam is the reason for that. Not that you couldn't drive it on the street, but the power will always come in at a high RPM.
A Victor Jr. is the right intake for that cam. If you want it to be more street friendly, put in a smaller cam and then install the Performer RPM.
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Carb jetting with different manifold.
If i change to the performer rpm air gap, will i need to re-jet my carb? It is currently a holley 650dp #4777-c, jetted 70-70, w/#28 shooters(but really sould be #35).
Is there a general rule from going from a single plane to a dual plane??
Advice much appreciated!
thanks, Josh
Is there a general rule from going from a single plane to a dual plane??
Advice much appreciated!
thanks, Josh
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I wouldn't say there is a general rule, but plan on adjustments and possible rejetting.
The dual plane intake won't have a significant effect on your idle vacuum. It's the cam that is causing low idle vacuum, not the intake.
The carb is jetted 70/70? Does that mean no primary power valve, or both primary and secondary power valve? Either way, it doesn't sound right. You shouldn't need 35 squirters, either.
The dual plane intake won't have a significant effect on your idle vacuum. It's the cam that is causing low idle vacuum, not the intake.
The carb is jetted 70/70? Does that mean no primary power valve, or both primary and secondary power valve? Either way, it doesn't sound right. You shouldn't need 35 squirters, either.
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Re: intake manifold choice
yup, 70-70 with a 2.0 power valve in the main system. I check my plugs quite often, and the have a nice tan color to them. With the #28 shooters, it would stumble of the line. i just got #35 shooters and a pump cam kit.
Wouldn't the performer rpm air gap add a little more low and mid range torque?
Wouldn't the performer rpm air gap add a little more low and mid range torque?
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