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Old Jan 27, 2001 | 11:16 PM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
More BBC questions as usual

The engine went in today. Lots of pics to put up on my page once they get developed and scanned.

Problems, problems, problems.

Number one! Don't use a 7 quart pan with the Hooker headers unless you tie the headers up in the engine compartment before you drop the engine in. It's impossible to put the passenger side in. I had to drain the oil and drop the pan with the engine lifted up so high the it was starting to lift the car. Here's hoping the pan gasket doesn't leak now.

Unfortunatly I didn't have any installation instructions but somehow I doubt there are any. I'm still in the process of modifying the car for header clearance. Hard to do with the engine and headers sitting in the car. There's only so much access to get in and modify. I'm going off of Miles's site for the modifications required. Too bad there aren't any pics of what needs to be modified for the headers. From reading the text I know exactly what's required though after trying to get the headers to fit.

I put the rad in and checked on the rad hose length. Since the engine is longer than a SBC, do you modify and use the factory hoses or are there any good part numbers for better fitting replacements?

Other than I'm still fighting with the headers, the installation went pretty smooth. Not having a heater/AC system helped.

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Old Jan 28, 2001 | 12:14 AM
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For the radiator hoses, look them up for about a 74 Chevelle 454. Seems like at least the top one is in the ballpark, not positive about the bottom though. Our cars have an extra little curve where they clear the frame part of the unibody right in front of the idler arm, which is unusual in the Chevrolet product line. It's not impossible that the correct bottom hose can be graunched in there but I suspect there's no way the top one will.

What about around the valve covers? Do they interfere with the brake booster, or the wiper motor, or any of that? What accessory mount stuff have you got, if you're even using any of that? What sort of exhaust (if any) are you going to run?

I can hardly wait to see the pics!

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Old Jan 28, 2001 | 12:47 AM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
I'll check on the upper Chevelle hose tomorrow. I may be able to cut the bottom one a bit to make it fit.

I have tall valve covers. They don't interfere with the booster at all but I'll be converting to manual brakes before the start of the race season. There are no wipers to worry about. Probably why the engine went in so well.

Off the front of the engine is a Moroso electric water pump drive. Typical BBC installation. I also use a serpentine belt alternator driven from the crank. It's bolted to the passenger head and spun down low. Third gens don't have upper control arms and you can spin the alternator down like that. The mounting bolt brace and adjuster brace are custom fabricated to make it work. It should show up well in the pics. I found the smallest serpentine belt crank pulley in the junk yard from a V6. It's not as small as the March pulley on my truck but it's way smaller than the factory one. I just use a short belt from the crank to the alternator.

I haven't decided on an exhaust yet. I need to see how much clearance is under the rockers once the headers are installed. Minimum exhaust will be 3" straight pipes cut off where paint stops burning off them. Probably 2-3 feet long. I'd like to get some competition mufflers just to bring the decibles down a bit. Even some resonators will help. The 383 with open headers was a bit too loud.

I'd really like to cut up the floor and firewall to make room for the engine/tranny/exhaust but my roll bar would only be good for 11.0. I'd need a full cage to then go into the 10's but I'm only expecting low to mid 11's this year.


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Old Jan 29, 2001 | 10:27 AM
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Stephen - Glad to hear the BBC is in! I did take some pics of the header clearance stuff, but can not find them. I can take some pics for you, but I won't be able to do that until I get back from Australia in the middle of Feb. I'm sure you won't need them then. If you take some pics of it, let me know, I would like to add them to my site.

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Old Jan 29, 2001 | 09:27 PM
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From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
No pics of the header modifications but lots of other clearance pics and a few more need to be taken. I'm glad I used solid engine mounts. The headers would hit a lot of stuff if the engine torqued over.
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