TJ07RK

I now have a goal with my Z, to beat my friends 98 TA(mostly stock). He has been giving me hell every since I sold my TA a couple of weeks ago and picked up the Z. I think the package I am putting together will do the job. Here is the run down tell me what ya think....

98 TA LS1 6sp - Items he has - 4.10 gears - air lid w/K&N - fast toys ram air kit - Hurst shifter - real mild cam - Flowmaster muffler - Every thing else is stock.. His car here runs around a 14.00 1/4 time

86 Z28 LG4 700R4 - Items I plan on - 3.73 gears - L98 with cam 230/230 .480/.480 - Roller lifters and rockers - Hookers headers - Holley carb with new intake - Head work - Cleaned up bottem end - 2500-2800 stall

five7kid

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Should be close.

camaronewbie

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm having a hard time seeing any 305 outperform any LS1. I have a carbed 350, mild cam, 10:1 compression, headers, open cat, hi-flo muffler, 3.42's and 700R4 fresh built and tight - and there's no way my 350 will ever outperform my wife's stock LT1 with 2.73's and auto. And the 305 I had before, with full exhaust, ported/polished 416 heads, LT1 cam, 3.08's, and carbed auto would never come close to my 350. I may be wrong, and I guess it depends on the car and really the driver - but I think the only way your going to beat an LS1 is to get an LS1, or 383, or some block larger than a 305. If an LS1 could be easily/economically taken by a 305, there wouldn't be a need for a LS1 swap forum on this board.

Street Lethal

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Sounds like he is setting you up for disaster, as he should be running much much faster than just a 14.00. I ran high 12's w/just a CheaTR cam and converter in my '98 Trans Am (2.73's), everything else was bone stock. Do you know what he is trapping....?

TJ07RK

There are two problems here.1 is in the track itself, not the best.. altitude is the other. I had a mostly stock 98 TA LS1 6sp, 02 TA LS1 Auto, and a 98 SS LS1 6sp at the same time. The 98 TA had K&N, few other bolt ons and a flowmaster ran a 13.87 best. The 02 ran a 14.01 best and the SS had nothing at all, not even exhaust and it would run a 13.97 best. After heads and cam, headers, y pipe, all the bolt ons 3.73's, BMR sub frame, strut tower, and lower control arms and 100 shot of nitrous my 98 TA ran a 11.95 best. Plus it is just more for fun than any thing, but it would be kick *** if a 3rd gen beats him.

TJ07RK

I am going with a L98 350 NOT a 305, with all the stuff above...

I have had couple of 3rd gen's with a 383 already. I also have had a couple of LT1's. one of them was super charged. I was just wanting to do something defferent. Plus if I need to add or change something a little to make this thing work then I will, thats why I was asking what you guys think..I would like to see a good old 350 carb beat new tech!!!!!

five7kid

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My Berlinetta #1 outruns stock LS1 auto Camaros.

You'll have more gear and stall than I've got, but your LS1 opponent has a M6 and steeper gears than the automatics.

camaronewbie

L98 might be different - in your original post you wrote LG4, not L98.

I just figured the LS1 was something to have, since everyone wants to swap to one, and it costs so much to do so. If the LS1 is not "all that", then why does everyone want to swap to one?

I take that back - it's a rhetorical question. I also see everyone spending gobs of cash rebuilding and modding their 305's and and keeping the TBI system, and I don't understand that either. I mean bragging rights are all good, but when it costs me more to truthfully say it's a 305 than it costs to have anything else, I'm going for the quick easy fun of anything else.

TJ07RK

[quote=camaronewbie;4345247][quote=TJ07RK;4344899]I am going with a L98 350 NOT a 305, with all the stuff above...

You are probly right that the LS1 is something to have I have been messing with LS1's for almost ten years now. They seem to build power easy. I would not mind a LS1 in my 86 I just kinda of want to do it as close to the way it came, Good old SBC.. I now have 3 3rd gens as of today and I was thinking of a LS1 swap in one of the cars I got today.

five7kid

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I had to read over the original post to make sure we were talking about a 350. I also remembered (this time) that the OP was considering putting a carb on an L98.

Anyways. . .

It isn't hard to get an SBC to outrun mostly stock LS1's. When they start doing stuff like cam & heads to those LS1's, though, look out. Plus, they'll pass a lot more gas stations than you will.

TJ07RK

I should have said L98 350 or just 350 by its self. Sorry I get all caught up in the numbers(LS1,LT1,LG4,L98,and so on).

I know its not going to get great MPG's. The cars I got yesterday are a 89 RS with V6 5sp, and the other is a 86 IROC. I was thinking the V6 could be the every day driver and the IROC will be a great car to do some sort of LS1 swap with, as it has a salvage title.. I just want to carb the 86 Z and make it nice to drive and have fun with now. The IROC can be the long term project!

camaronewbie

One other thing I've heard on the LS1 - if you're trying to run him stoplight to stoplight, then that's more easily accomplished - Ive heard that the LS1's real power (let's change "power" to "difference") is above 70mph, when most cars peak out, the LS1 keeps pulling as hard or harder - I was told even over 100mph, the LS1 still has you plastered to the seat - that's what I hear anyway.

TJ07RK

You are very right that LS1's pull hard past a 100mph, mine did. The LS1 is a lot of fun. The last one I had dyno around 647 on the bottle. That was heads, cam, and a built bottom end with a 300 shot. All motor it did 409. I am going to do a LS1 again just not right now.

I think we are going to do it from a standstill and a roll just to see what happens. This weekend (if my trany is right) we are going to base line them to see how hard he beats me down.