you can surf the crane or comp websites or call mondello directly, he will help you out.i'd look for something in the 1,500-5,000 powerband as it will be a street/strip car. no need to go crazy big as the 455 olds has a very long stroke and makes tons of off the bat torque.

[This message has been edited by TempesT68 (edited November 29, 2001).]

car craft did an article on the B-O-P 455s, if you get the performer, get a 1" spacer for it, basically the same thing as the rpm.

I'm now currently the high bidder on E-bay on a torker intake and some "C" heads. I've decided to go with the torker, especially the one on e-bay, because it's quite a bit cheaper AND some other intersting things I learned on it. In the new Car Craft they went back and redone the Olds. build-up with a torker intake and a 1 inch spacr. The torker intake caused it to lose 20 lbs of torque. down low but had had it gain more torque and 20+ HP up high! I'm OK with losing that 20 lbs. of trq. down low because I'll have a hard time with traction as it is, and the HP and trq. gains up high, more than compensate for that loss in my opinion. Do you guys agree/disagree with this decision?

dont do the torker, the mag build up was a 500 HP RACE engine not a STREET engine. it will run like crap for your setup, go with a performer absolutly, unless you plan on having the heads ported out quite a bit and running 4.10 gears.

Agree with Tempest. The money you'd need to spend to get the 455 to live happily above 4500 or so will buy many intakes.

go for a performer. With a 455, you want the torque peak to be somewhat low. And, you should really get a fluid dampner for an Olds BB. Long stoke and high RPM = a lot of reciprocating mass and that = trouble.

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First off the issues on the big block build-up was ALL about streetable power, as they stated in there newest issue, which compared all of them, the pros and cons of each, etc. Second, the performer, offered more torq. down low, which I don't really need, than the torker. The torker performed much better at the higher RPM's. 4.200-5,700. Third, what is a "fluid dampner"? Car Craft definately recomended a higher volum oil pump and main bearing oil restricors. Are those similar? I may not agree with you guys on some issues, but I DO appreciate your opnions and please keep them coming!

you forsure do NOT need a damper, those are only needed for 10.99 second or faster race only cars. the torker is a intake made to flow alot and at higher RPM's dont forget you have to drive this and unless you have ported heads (the build uses a pair of edelbrock heads) and you need some serious flow (i think the used a holley) unless you plan on using a big holley and edelbrock heads the torker is usless, will only hurt your power. i think your just trying to make up reasons to get it becuase theres one on ebay just wait untill a perfromer comes along, you will be MUCH happyer, also with a torker (single plane) the throttle resonse is bad, and gas milage is poor.

OK, this is obviously for people that don't know what the hell there talking about. A flud dampner is an aftermarket harmonic balancer. A stock balancer uses a rubber ring to DAMPEN vibration at a certain rpm (usually the normal cruise rpm for the vehicle).The aftermarket ones, such use as a fluid dampner obviously use fluid to DAMPEN vibrations. The reason they are prived so high is because they are desinged to dampen the vibrations thru a wider rpm scale. So NO, not only 10 sec. cars use them, if you got the cash, they are a good investment to keep your motor together, unless you like it rattling apart

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a stock balencer is more then fine, a fluid type damper will keep the engine in balance much more accurately then a stock one obviously, but thats why there nessassary with a 10 second or faster car as the stock units can shift or fall apart with too much power and RPM, sure a fluid damper is a good idea, but agian you will have to re balence the engine and really its completly not needed in your engine.

Tempest, you're the one who told me that the "C" heads I'm bidding on are great at flowing... Now you tell me that I need Edelbrock? (I was planning on having them ported, just for the record.) The C heads should be able to handle the flow taken from the torker, also as for the carb.(At least if what you said about them is correct.) Car Craft used a Demon 750, I plan on sending my Q-Jet to Jetships performance for a stage 2 rebuild. That will provide more than ample air....

Quadrajets are just fine (I seem to be the only that has this opinion when people want to switch), I never had any trouble withthem. A tuned quad will be even more awesome.If you have the "C" heads, get them done. I think the edelbrocks were mentioned (don't know a lot about the olds motors so please no slams) because they probably flow better than stock heads, will allow a higher compression, and weigh a H*LL of a lot less.

As for the harmonic balancer, what is the redline on your engine going to be? These torque monsters should never see any more than 5500 rpm, unless being built to race. then it would require an aftermarket balancer. otherwise, it would be a "desirable" option.

Jhams, to get a fast ****Aforadable**** engine out of it the C heads are the best PRODUCTION heads olds put out,they flow the best and will give you a good compression (probley around 9:1 as the 76' blocks have VERY deep dished pistons) the best heads money can buy are the edelbrock units, agian COMPLETLY unneeded in your setup. also i've learned my lesson from putting alot of high power top half stuff on a stock bottom, keep it mild with the C-heads, decent cam, headers and edelbrock performer intake and it will scream, also that torker i belive only accepts holley's anyhow. porting out the C heads and getting some good SS valves they will flow more then enough for your setup and it should haul some *** !

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Tempest, the Torker HAS to take more than just Holley... (It's made by Edelbrock, how dumb would that be of them to make it only accept Holley?) Plus, adapter kits, assuming it doesn't already, will allow by qaud. to go on there. I'm going with the stock rods redone, and forged flat top pitsons (10:1). Stock crank, but all of this will be balanced. Plus I'm going to drill out the oil passages and go with a high volume oil pump, & a streetable cam.(Any ideas for the cam?) With the torker intake and ported C heads, I agree it well haul. I'm going to have a traction problem though...(That will be the limiting factor on my time slips.) Also the red line will be what it is in my 305 right now. 5500-6000. I'll just keep the stock tach. As for the edelbrock heads being lighter, definately true. BUT at another $700 than the C heads, assuming I win the bid, I'm willing to sacrafice the 5 HP and 30 lbs... (That 700 right there is my new suspension and subframe connectors!)

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alot of the upper end manifolds (torker, victor,..etc) will only accept a sqare bore pattern (holley, carter, edelbrock) and most of the lower manifolds (performer, performer RPM) will take eather square or spread bore (q-jet) if your going to be rebuilding everthing you say then it will be allright to get a little more wild on the combo's on your previous post you seemed to be talking about using it pretty much as is. ported out c-heads will flow excellent, probley as much or more then the edelbrock heads if done right and save you alot of $$, cam will really depend on the rest of the cars setup. the 455's expecally the olds to NOT need to rev to make power. with there really long stroke they make sh*tloads of off the line torque and do not need to spin past 5,500 theres a guy around here with a low 11 second pontic wagon with a 455 and shifts it at 5,100 RPM. revv's are only needed on a engine that cant make alot of torque like SBC's when you cant make torque winding the **** out of them eventually makes power and the way a chevy makes power is not the same way a olds does, or a mopar or a ford. all have there own personality. dont forget with all the power this monster is going to make your going to need a TH400 and a 12 bolt, the torquezilla 455 will destroy a 700r4 and 7.5 10 bolt the first time you put the car into drive.

[This message has been edited by TempesT68 (edited December 02, 2001).]

A200-4r, built properly will also fit your needs. Remenber, they were the ones backing upo the GNX's and Turbo T/As. I remenber a few yrs ago , GM high tech mag did an article on a 3rd gen firebird with a 400 poncho and a 200-4r tranny, so it can be done.

I was planning on having my 700R4 redone with hardened internals and a shift kit.

if you do the 7004r, you will need an adaptor plate.

yes you will need to buy an adapter plate to make the 700r4 built and its going to need to be BUILT just better spings will do nothing.

Yeah a few posts up we already worked out the adaptor plate issue. Thanks for caring though. The 700R4 will get hardened internals and a shift kit. The tranny will be taken care of... The one thing I am surprised about though, is that no one is saying anything negative about me running that quadrajet! I guess there's more people out there then I thought that respect them... Thanks again for you help guys!
John

q-jet really isnt a bad carb at all onces its setup, theres a local guy here i talk with that has a low 11 second bird running a q-jet, he swears by them

You know I got an e-mail saying I had a post in Thirdgen and I said to myself... "you know self, I bet it's that tempest fellow". (Yeah, I'm good.) Yes I the q-jets kick butt. I wonder how good the new Demon's are though...

with the rochestor running good, save the $300+ for other goodies instead of the demon. Yeah, it probobly looks better, but after you stomp someone & they ask what you gotunder the hood, watch them cringe at the sound of a 455 & dry up & blow away at the mention of a quadrajet

edit: in addition to the pro-built banner, also look into www.levelten.com for tranny hop-ups.

[This message has been edited by Project: 85 2.8 bird (edited December 04, 2001).]

Thanks I'll check out that web-site.