jmerber

So I just talked to a 6.2l/6.5l Diesel expert (Bill Heath of Heath Diesel), and he said he doesn't even think the oil pan will be a problem! Said it's not much different than the BBC oil pan. Both the BBC and the 6.2l Diesel have an oil pan capacity of 5 quarts! Man, I'm liking this!!!!

Atilla the Fun

I'd like to see the pan he's thinking of.

jmerber

Yeah idk. I do know the 6.2l Diesel had a variety of oil pans, but I'm sure he knows that. He knows his stuff!

jmerber

Another Question. Is the reason people change cross members and such when they drop a BBC into a 3rd gen because they're reinforcing for the sake of handling the power or because they need to make space for the larger engine? So my real question is, will the BBC FIT?? Cause I'm pretty sure if the BBC will fit, so will the 6.2l Diesel.

Atilla the Fun

The BBC fits just fine with the stock crossmember. Only rich guys swap to aftermarket crossmembers, and that's only to save weight. That's the only real benefit that isn't just marketing hype. They don't improve the suspension geometry after all.

jmerber

That is beyond good news!! I'm hyped.

Klortho

The 6.2 came with one oil pan, and it holds 12qt of oil, no matter what year it was.

jmerber

We're talking about the Detroit 6.2l v8 Diesel that was put in '80's Chevy trucks. It's total engine oil capacity is only 7-8 quarts, with 5 of those quarts being in the oil pan. And they did come with a couple different oil pans. I've seen pictures of them.

Klortho

Actually, I was wrong about the capacity (I was thnking about my Powerstroke), it takes 2 gal (8 qt) to fill the motor up when I change the oil in my '85, that is 8 qt in the pan to get the dipstick to the "full mark", but all the pictures of the oil pans for the 6.2s all look the same.

whitedevilTA

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LOL, "only rich guys switch to aftermarket crossmembers"......thats a great statement. Made me laugh.

Atilla the Fun

Then you haven't looked at the military pans.

jmerber

Yeah, the oil pan only actually holds 5 quarts though. the rest is in the filter and oil cooler lines.

Klortho

Ok, not trying to start an argument on this, but when you fill up oil during an oil change, it all goes into the oil pan before you start an engine, thus 8 qt of oil goes into the pan before you start an engine, it shows full on the dipstick, then the oil pump picks up the oil and it then goes into the oil cooler and filter.

Yeah, Atilla, I wasn't counting the military ones on this since they are usually different than the ones going into civilian trucks.

Atilla the Fun

If, when doing an oil change, you stop when the dipstick says full, then you'll have to add more after you fire it up and let it run for 30 seconds. If you do it right, the dipstick will say overfull until you fire it up.
Most remaining 6.2 pans are military. Most of the civilian 6.2s, and the trucks they came in, are long crushed by now. They are an option, since they will bolt to the civilian blocks and vice versa.

jmerber

Yeah, same with my 6.5l Diesel.

luke j

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Not to beat a dead horse, but all 7.3 powerstrokes hold 15 qts with filter change. no matter what year. Only the older IDI 7.3l hold 12 qts. They were not called powerstroke. Also the 6.0l powerstrokes hold 15 qts, but if it is a 6.4l they do hold 12 qts. Not sure about the new 6.7l I have not been to school for it yet. I have been ford tech for over 10 years.

Wurtle38

sounds like fun, I did a swap with a 4.3L V6 from a 2000 blazer to an '85 camaro now I'm working on a 6.2L into a '78 lincoln. found this page looking for info on the water pump. so does anyone know how to pull a 6.2L water pump? do you have to pull the timing chain cover? I took out all the bolts I can see and it's not moving but appears to have bumps like there might be bolts behind the timing chain.

as for this swap my concern would be the weight. the one I have in my driveway came from a '93 chevy C30 (like a UPS truck) and belonged to the army and it's quite a bit heavier then a 305 or 350.

and the exhaust is going to be fun

Dante93GTZ

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My boss is currently collecting parts for his 48 Chevy truck. He is going for all out mileage and already has the engine......

an INDUSTRIAL 2.3 Cummins diesel. We will turbo it and it should be making about 130-150hp and about 160tq. Its a Cummins "A" motor; probably came out of some mining equipment or something.

Until I met my boss I really didn't know that much about Cummins, but they really are a simple engine. Until the 2000ish models, the Cummins had no computers. In fact, we started the 2.3 on a crate with nothing more than some fuel hose into a fuel can and 2 batteries. As I said, they are REALLY simple.

He plans on getting 30-40mpg in his '48 with this 2.3 Cummins motor. Its not going to be super fast, but it will get there just fine.

Why not consider a swap like this? If you're going to turn a thirdgen into a gas/diesel sipper, then go as small as you can - I will guarantee a 2.3 Cummins will fit under the hood of a thirdgen.

...forget the 6.2... Its not needed it you really want MPG.



This isn't his exact motor, but its the same 2.3L setup. Look at the size of the engine in relation to the battery... tiny...

BTW: My boss has already swapped a 5.9 Cummins into his 1986 F350 Dually (did the swap back in 1987... think about it; it was the FIRST Cummins diesel powered light truck in the US).... we're also working on his 1997 2500 Suburban - 5.9 Cummins WITH Allison 6 speed auto <--- engine/trans already in, just adjusting mounts.

Atilla the Fun

That front sump oil pan isn't going to fit.

Dante93GTZ

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On which??

jmerber

I've heard of people getting 37mpg with the 6.2l diesel, and more power than the 2.3, plus they're dime a dozen and will bolt in, so that's why I'm going 6.2l. What trans you going to mate that to?

Atilla the Fun

Front sump won't fit third gen.

Atilla the Fun

I've personally seen 36 mpg in my friend's C-10.

Dante93GTZ

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700R4; I'm giving him my drivetrain including rear out of my Z28. The 305TPi will go into a 38 Chevy.

Omerta88

better yet put a 6.5 like they have in military hummers....ive turned a lot wrenches on them in my five years in the army.........i like em

Atilla the Fun

6.5s don't get more mpg, they are more likely to crack the main webs, and the military used to have lots of 6.2s. the greatness of them was why they were willing to try the 6.5s which were poorly evolved from the superior 6.2s. the problems came from attempting to cut costs by weakening already marginal parts of the castings, then adding the stresses of turbocharging. Heath Diesel's Bonneville salt flats pickup truck racer is a built 6.2, NOT a 6.5.
There is an aftermarket 6.5 block on the market, but it's not cost-effective.

Omerta88

i cant say anything of how tough they are i dont know.......i think they are greay motors though

jmerber

So I may have found a really sweet Camaro for the swap, but was wondering if there's any way to tell what the rear end ratio is based on the VIN number? The guy doesn't know what the rear end ratio is, and I want to get one with a really high rear end ratio.

Thanks!

Atilla the Fun

No, the VIN doesn't tell that directly.
But if the car is straight, rust free, well priced, and has a clean title and nice interior, then that's more important than what gears it has, it's easy to change the rear end anyway.
If you know what engine and trans the car was built with, we can tell you what the original axle ratio was supposed to be, but it could've been swapped.

jmerber

Ok, well he's already swapped out the stock engine with a 350. I'm guessing it was originally a 305 with the 700r4, but I'm not sure. It's a 1991 Camaro RS.

Oh and it looks like I'll be going with a 6.5l Turbo swap instead of the 6.2l. Mainly because I just got a BEATER old truck for $500 that recently had a new 6.5l engine installed. Yeah, I'm just making it harder on myself to make this all fit. Yep, I know. Cross over pipe will be interesting, and I hope the turbo will fit under the hood. Cause it's off to the pass side so it wouldn't even hit the cowl. If it doesn't fit I may end up moving the turbo to right on top of the engine, not sure yet.

Now if I can just sell my other 6.5l truck, I'll have the cash to buy this Camaro! Can't wait.

Atilla the Fun

91 RS LO3 / auto should be 2.73:1 non-posi, but with 28 spline axles and the 7.625" ring gear. Keep that, just get a conversion style locker that replaces the spider gears. You don't even loosen the carrier caps. Also get an aluminum cover with preload bolts.

jmerber

Sweet! Thanks for the info! Unfortunately because of the Memorial Day weekend I can't get out to see it until next Tuesday. I hope he still has it then! Also, it's a BBC 350. What's up with that? I thought the 350 was SBC. Or did he get his info wrong?

Atilla the Fun

either it's a typo or he's a dumbnut. Hope he's not asking more for the BBC 350, because there's no such thing.

Omerta88

i like the 6.5 i think it would be a cool swap post lots of picks will ya

RED_DRAGON_85

theres a 348 BBC... just sayin

87bluebird

how

Atilla the Fun

In the early '60s there was a 348 medium block, which led to the 409. Bigger than the 327 block? Yes. As big as the 396 block? No.

jmerber

My guess is it was a typo. lol

RED_DRAGON_85

the 348 had the same bore spacing as any standard deck big block.
it had a non-perpendicular deck, which allowed the combustion chamber to be in the block, not the head
it was a revolutionary engine for its time, and was the first big block engine produced.
read and learn.
it amazes me at how people will argue about a simple fact that can be found online very easily
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine

Blue383

why not try a 4bt cummins or a diesel from a passenger car? the early gm diesels have a bad rap.

Atilla the Fun

Hey look, somebody who'll believe that I have some oceanfront property in Arizona!
If you're gonna type without doing any research first, then go type in some Jap car forums. You'll fit right in there.
We don't need any wiseacre punk teens spouting off for attention. Class clowns deserve the abuse they get. Fortunately, a few of us were smart enough to STFU and adopt a student mentality. So, are you gonna get smart?

KrisW

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I want in on this thread to see how it turns out; I have done lots of 3rd gens, and lots of GM diesels (and many other diesels) but as crazy as I am I have never gotten near this one!

I hope it works!!

jmerber

Going to go look at a Camaro tomorrow. We'll see how this goes!

jmerber

Just picked this car up today! $1500 with another set of beat up old RS rims for the winter. Runs and drives great, has a few mechanical issues that need to be attended to, but hopefully nothing too serious. Recently rebuilt trans, and lots of suspension work.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kiGefbbwmz...0/CIMG0773.JPG

I also already have my 6.5l donor truck... Yep I think I'm gonna go 6.5l Turbo Diesel. Unfortunately though the job is at a standstill until next summer now as I'm not going to be able to have space to do the swap at the place I'm staying this year.

If you have thoughts or ideas to offer, keep them coming! The actual swap may be postponed, but research is not! Thanks so much for all your help guys!

duckmanquacker

Thats a good looking car in that photo. I'm still watching this thread so please keep us posted, I may change one in my stable over if yours goes well.

Blue383

6.5 diesel camaro


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHfx-...=youtube_gdata

jmerber

Yeah that is a sweet car! You should look up updated pictures at The Diesel Place forums. Pretty sweet!

jmerber

Got my Diesel donor truck! Haha... It's such a junker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZxKUhQ9nk

Atilla the Fun

glad to see you making progress. How do you KNOW that the engine is fresh? Maybe that switch on the left side of the dash is for the glow plugs? If so, 10 seconds MAXIMUM! start cranking at 7 seconds. You didn't show the Camaro.

tkcaraudio

cant wait to see it done and see all the progress