project89

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wow ive always wanted to do a 4.3 swap and watching that one video were u can see the engine damn there is so much room for turbo(s)

once i finish putting the 4-71 blower on my 3.4 in the firebird i may have to go buy another car and do a 4.3 with twin turbos

stephennmm

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I say go 2jz. A NA 2jz stock botoom end can do 450whp reliablly. As far as the power curve you guys are wrong thinking it is only top end power only. People build dyno queen motors with huge turbos and huge cams. Stock cams will help keep the curve down 70-76mm turbo quick spool. Ebay manifold and ebay plumbing, intercooler will be the cheap way to go. Now if you want power out of it when i was researching it for a friends 2jz build i found that they are actually not that expensive to build. Rods pistons head studs and mls gasket you can do your 700hp on the motor so say less then $1500 for the rebuild to handle it but you would still need your supporting mods injectors.......
Thats just my 2cent on this though. Plus they sound so so much better then a 4.3.

kmcn47

yesssss!

iloveacamaro

well i have pretty much decided to go 2jz so i am now in the process of looking for a swap. apparently the motor my friend saw online complete swap for 1200 was a 1jz not a 2jz, i looked at it but i think i would rather spend the extra money and get something i can build later if i need more power or stop daily driving it. i will probably be a month or two out on having a motor sitting in my garage but i will keep this updated. thanks for all of the input.

Z28ricer

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Are you looking at manual, or auto swaps ?

Fallen2603

I hope to see this swap get completed.

kmcn47

not to be a pessimist but it will take time and they'll probably forget to post in the thread so we might not see it finished

haisud

Z28ricer

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How old are you ?

You just found the internet this week didnt you ?


Even got it wrong, he didnt say anything about adding naws.

haisud

yeah i know its old good 2jz r.icer joke
i hate all asians cars
im 23

Z28ricer

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Its ok, eventually you'll learn.

haisud

Did you know we cant write r.icer in this forum? r.icer without dot *****

Flightoficarus

Definitely interested in seeing this done. I love seeing unusual swaps done, in any kind of car for that matter

haisud

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...o/viewall.html gay
and again asian people who ruined car

haisud

Fallen2603

Yeah, I've seen more than a few swaps I hoped would happen not happen. I'm expecting he won't finish, but I'm hoping he will. He already did the 4.3L V6 swap, so I'm giving him a little more benefit of the doubt than I would someone else.

Z28ricer

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Most of those that dont get completed are just poor ideas to begin with, engines that are far too large for the engine bay, things that need to many modifications to fit.

Just because its different, doesnt mean its good, just because its good doesnt require being different.

The one thing people always overlook is that if you do a swap, even if its "common" , if you do it very well, with lots of quality, it ends up being "different" and good.

KrisW

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How does the 2JZ stack up money wise against a turbo Buick? I've been poking around those for more than a couple of years and they are my budget choice for turbo 6 power.

Most of the production blocks can put your car into the 11's with just oiling mods that you can do yourself. The rolled fillet crank, or an aftermarket one are not much money. Stock rods can be prepped. Stock pistons will go far, but aftermarket are not expensive.

I've seen more than a handful of those swaps done here and I haven't seen any that were slow or crappy. The 4.3? GM did okay with the Syclone pickup, but other than that, I think its a not so good platform for turbo stuff. Heck, the 60* V6 engines seem to be tougher under boost than a 4.3 is. Its like the small block chevy argument; you can get them cheap enough, sure, but by the time you make it out of the machine shop you could have done something better.

Just my advice, as far as the Buick stuff goes, but I am not experienced in import stuff other than what I see in the movies. They didn't show up to the races I was in out west either. Unless they had an LS engine, hehehehhe.

Hey, kind of like yours, eh, Z28Ricer?

Z28ricer

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Both are great engines, with the JZ, all of the stuff you mention isnt even worth touching, the stock longblock is built tough, the downside for most seems to be bolting up a manual trans, and the performance after doing so, the few i've seen that were manual just lost lightyears compared to auto in track time, maybe its an rpm range thing ?




Dont set aside the "import" stuff too much, the cars previous engine was the factory 2.0 turbo from japan, exhaust, clutch, intercooler, upped the boost, 8.33 @ 84.39 mph in the 1/8, that would stomp most of the cars around here anyway, upgrade the cams, turbo, injectors and a tune, virtually 90% of the board wouldnt be able to catch it.

The V8 just drives much better and fits better

KrisW

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I work in Tampa sometimes and there was a guy with a 240sx at the shop. I told him about your car (from what I've seen on the forums) and then I read about the lead Japanese drifter guy replacing his with an LS V8, too. I couldn't help it hahahhaha.

All he said was, yeah, its faster than mine hehhehehehe.

Z28ricer

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If you watch any drifting, Jason Jiovanni's car (Yellow Nexen tires car), mounts, and wiring were from me

KrisW

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I don't watch it, but I will take a look next time it comes up. I am not surprised to hear you say that, either. I really can't believe the high level of technical knowledge on this forum. I have not seen anything nearly this good on any of my other lurkings about on the net.

Why don't YOU do a 2JZ 3rd gen so that we can see it done right and have some inspiration?

Z28ricer

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I've considered it, but i'm not sure I will, right now the only thing high up on my list of stuff to build next that doesnt involve a V8 is another 240sx, but right hand drive and RB26 powered.

And as soon as I get another thirdgen, it will be V8, whether it gets a turbo or not is still to be determined.

kmcn47

that 4.3 is the easier of the two, i dont think i'll ever see the w code 4.3 in a thirdgen, until my teams lemons car is finished which is gonna be years lol

iloveacamaro

for everyone that is interested in the 4.3, as i am unsure of the vin code it is out of a 93 blazer, and came equipped with the central point injection. i put a tbi intake on it because the the car was a factory equipped tbi 5.0 and i didn't want to get into the wiring harness for a cpi swap when i had (at the time) planned on going multi-port... which i guess i still am just not with this motor.

iloveacamaro

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z54/iloveacamaro/PIC_0084.jpg

kmcn47

thats the main challenge with the 4.3 and the cpi, the fi and the wiring also it being a 93 tuning the obd1 was a challenge that arose in every other thread on it i saw, i'm not dissing your build or anything with my comments, i hope i'm not putting that kinda vibe out, i applaud your even doing it its no easy task from what i've read and you have great skillz for finishing you figured out the first hardest part the engine mounts, and then the next part the fueling system, of anything i wonder if you could have left the tbi in place and just used the camaro tb on the 3.4 intake?

ibmtech

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I would never buy a motor off EBAY personally, You know never know how badly someone built, or beat it before they are trying to sell it. And as far a junk yard motors, unless you know them personally, stay clear. There is a reason it it in the junk yard.. So you spend a few hundred on a short or long block and then spend another several hundred for a basic build. Nothing forged, nothing special.

86bumbleb

I am stationed in japan and i will tell the 2jz is no joke if you want to go 2jz i would suggest just getting a N/A motor the only difference between 2jz-ge and the 2jzgte internally is the pistons, head gasket, and the n/a doesnt have oil squirters but if its your daily driver that swap is not excatly a weekend kind of swap

Fallen2603

DAMN...I was hoping someone was actually starting this swap.

86bumbleb

I am Picking up a 91 RS in december and i am seriously considering doing the swap 2jz's are dirt cheap here

Fallen2603

I'm skeptical. You'll be the third person who has said they're going to do it and then go silent.

Z28ricer

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I wouldnt hold my breath too much, most people with the money and/or intelligence to do a swap like this are quickly going to realize it offers nothing performance wise over an LS swap, other than a lighter wallet and more headaches.

86bumbleb

where i live it is much cheaper to do 2jz than a LS well probably be 1.5jz friend is giving a complete 1jz swap so i will just throw a ge bottom end on it

Fallen2603

In Japan, I would say 2JZ sure is cheaper. Probably, by A LOT.

Oh, well, I can hope someone does it. Would be cool to see...

DIGGLER

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the main reason a late model engine is in a junkyard is the vehicle it was removed from was in an accident bad enough to total it. there is a lot of people doing the junkyard ls engines, and i mean a LOT.. the days of engines being worn out by 100k miles are over. there is plenty of life left in a 100k mile ls engine. you also do not have to build one of these to hit 600 or 700hp. you dont need forged for that.

back to the 2jz, if i happened across one for about the same price as a takeout ls, i would consider it since supposedly the long block is good for 900+hp. i just dont see them being anywhere near the same price range.

86bumbleb

Very true you can find em in sc300s, IS 300, GS 300, and of course the Mark IV supras. i need too wait till december to sell my subaru before i can get the camaro also have too make sure the car isnt a rust bucket. they sell kits too bolt up a 2jz too a chevy trans so in all reality just mounts and wiring and 2jz is fairly easy wiring wise

Fallen2603

Found prices on a non-turbo 2JZ, on car-part.com, from $500 to almost $1,000. I don't know if the non-turbo motors have as strong of internals as the turbo 2JZ-GTE. Those go for $1,500 and up, from what I've found. It'll probably be a lot easier to find the motors in Japan where they have to replace their engine after so many miles. At least, I think they have to do that over there, correct?

DIGGLER

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it was my understanding they just dont drive very much over there.

Fallen2603

I was wrong. I think I found the reason why there are always so many JDM motors for sale:

"They must pass a inspected called “Shaken” which determines if a car is still suitable to be driven on Japanese roads. As vehicles get older, maintaining them at the standards required by the shaken can become expensive. This is because beyond the tuner scene, most Japanese do not get involved in mechanical repairs, and as a result, mechanics can charge high prices. Vehicles which cannot pass inspection are not allowed to be driven on public roads. Unwanted vehicles must be destroyed and recycled, or as some do to make more profit, export the vehicle. As a result, many Japanese used vehicles are exported to other nations right before or after their Shaken is up."

http://japaneseengines.wordpress.com...e-low-mileage/

Another explanation:

"There is no such law "requiring" engine replacement at a certain mileage. That is a urban myth propagated by importers and car owners who simply don't know or understand the situation in Japan. The high taxes (annually assessed), insurance premiums, gas costs, and especially the safety inspection/registration (occurs biennial) combine to keep turnover of vehicles high.

For example, the Safety inspection for your typical car (say Camry/Accord type) can typically cost $2,000....each time! New vehicles have a 3 year grace period before they are required to submit for the Safety Inspection. In other words, for a 10 year old car, you will have already paid over $8,000, in just Safety Inspection fees! Don't forget, gas over in Japan is also typically four times the cost of here in the U.S. Mileage is kept low on the vehicles as EVERYONE (unless your fabulously rich and patient) uses alternative transportation to get around. Most folks use the trains for local and medium distance traveling/commuting.

Far distances are taken by airplane and local transportation done by either bicycle or bus. In that society, your car tends to be a status symbol more than anything else."

http://www.trustmymechanic.com/japanmotor.html

Other reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Regushee

iloveacamaro

well its been a while, and there has been much critism and indecision, but the 4.3 spun a rod bearing while I was pulling out of my street sideways... so the 2j swap is underway.

sailtexas186548

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awesome get it done!

Fallen2603

Sweeeet. Good luck!

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caffeine

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If you're looking for a cheap 2jz build, you can start with a 2jz-ge (much more common and apparently very strong engines if not as strong as a gte), and either use a cheaper 1jz-gte head or buy a turbo kit for a ge head and lower the compression a bit with a gte head gasket. R154s aren't terribly expensive either; much stronger than a T5 and much cheaper than a T56.

Then again if you're considering custom turbo manifolds for a 4.3, it would probably be easier to fabricate a custom manfiold for the 2jz because of not having to worry about a crossover.

I'm hoping someone will eventually put one in a 3rd-gen..

KrisW

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I don't know how it will work out, but I am encouraged by the guy in Michigan who has the Trailblazer inline 6, 4200 vortec with a turbo and its an awesome car. Good luck on getting this swap done. I may have to swing by and see it sometime!

penguinpanda0

Anything ever happen with this?

iloveacamaro

Well, my job sent me to texas for 6 months, so there was a delay in the project. but im back on track now. I picked up a n/a 2jz to fab everything up with, also it had the rear sump oil pan I needed. it has had a partial rebuild including a new head, bought it from a local Toyota dealer. so depending on how much this cost me to get going I may have to run the n/a setup for a while before dropping in a gte. i do have to pull it back out though, i have ordered a tubular k-member, just to give me more room to work with. here are some of the pictures i have so far, i am pleased with how well it fits.[IMG][/IMG][IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/iloveacamaro/12580278163/[/IMG]

penguinpanda0

Post the pics back up, I wanna see

ATX-Iroc

Just swapped a n/a 2j with a turbo kit into an old 7mgte supra. My advice spring for the gte. The motor looks better and will get you up and running for cheaper. We got 3500 in this and the car alreAdy had a good clutch, trans and intercooler/ exhaust setup. Got engine harness and ecu for 325, and the 3500 is just parts not even shipping

iloveacamaro

Well, I know its been a while, but I was out of the state for 6 months, and out of the country for 4. Now that im back, I picked up a ge (non turbo) engine that had the oil pan I needed, and a ma5 5speed out of a Pontiac solstice and have fitted them to the car, along with a tubular cross member. Great success! I am having trouble uploading the pictures I took from my phone, I will have to get my computer out and download them onto it before I can upload them here (coming soon). I am currently saving up the $2000 needed for the 2jz-gte engine, ecu and wiring.