Engine Swap Everything about swapping an engine into your Third Gen.....be it V6, V8, LTX/LSX, crate engine, etc. Pictures, questions, answers, and work logs.

450 SBC for street use only

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 30, 2017 | 12:40 PM
  #1  
IROC406's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 109
Likes: 7
Car: 1989 Chevy Camaro IROCZ
Engine: 355 TPI w/ EBL Flash
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
450 SBC for street use only

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dart-...-engine-build/

Has anyone ever attempted this build here?

I have in my possession a production 400 block with 5.7" rods and correct New Icon pistons for the build but I came across this article and would like to go this route by selling these and getting a 9.325 tall block with 6.250 rods and 4.125 stroker crank. I know the rod to stroke ratio is 1.48 but I do not intend to rev more than 5500 just like I do now with my stock 89 IROC with the 350 TPI.

I want max torque and I know people will jump all over me for this but I want to stay TPI. My car is strictly a street car. Had it for many years and it now has 170,000 miles so if I do the engine over I minds well go bigger. Even if it means FIRST performance TPI or aftermarket base and runners. The heads will need to be either DART or AFR and I definitely will change the cam to accommodate idle to 5500 RPM use because I am keeping my borq warner 2.77 rear. I contacted DART for more info on this engine build but no answer yet.
Reply
Old May 30, 2017 | 01:00 PM
  #2  
dmccain's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,553
Likes: 807
From: South Ms
Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: 355 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt.Posi-3.73s
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

I wouldn't go that complicated. Build a 406 and you will have more than enough power and torque to tear sh#^t up.
Reply
Old May 30, 2017 | 01:06 PM
  #3  
IROC406's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 109
Likes: 7
Car: 1989 Chevy Camaro IROCZ
Engine: 355 TPI w/ EBL Flash
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

Originally Posted by dmccain
I wouldn't go that complicated. Build a 406 and you will have more than enough power and torque to tear sh#^t up.
Thank you for your response!
I appreciate not jumping all over me about this idea. I do like the 406 TPI which is pending but the 450 sbc article intrigued me after I realized that I will need to go flat tappet cam with my 406 and when researching the roller lifter capable Dart block I found that there was a tall block version for bigger stroke. Not too sure about the retrofit cams as far as reliability goes for my production 400 block.
Reply
Old May 30, 2017 | 03:32 PM
  #4  
dmccain's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,553
Likes: 807
From: South Ms
Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: 355 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt.Posi-3.73s
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

My dad ran a 406 with brodix heads and retrofit roller cam. Put a lot of miles on it. Fully street-driven 67 chevelle ran 11.30s 1/4. Ofcourse it was carbed. You will be held back on power by your TPI system but I always loved the way they looked.
Reply
Old May 30, 2017 | 03:38 PM
  #5  
IROC406's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 109
Likes: 7
Car: 1989 Chevy Camaro IROCZ
Engine: 355 TPI w/ EBL Flash
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

Keep talking dmccain!

So the retrofit kits are reliable? Do you remember which brand your dad used?

I would go with the FIRST intake if I have to because like you I too like the TPI look. I also like the street ability it provides. 170,000 miles on my 350 and no complaints whatsoever.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2017 | 04:25 PM
  #6  
Mortorq's Avatar
Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 274
Likes: 12
From: Hoffman Estates Il
Car: '88 IROC T5 Vert ‘13 Vette
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

Years ago I used a Comp 212*/218*-.487"/ .495" @110 LSA retrofit hyd roller in my 400 sbc with Vortec heads. Still works!
Didn't have any of the possible hyd flat tappet, "Am I going to wipe some lobes?" issues with the rollers.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:38 AM
  #7  
midias's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,528
Likes: 240
From: Henrietta NY
Car: 1984 Trans Am L69
Engine: Sniper EFI Powered 355
Transmission: WC T5 w/ Steel Support Plate
Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

Converting a 400 to roller is the same as a pre 87 SBC 350 just get a roller kit from comp or similar place, good timing chain and strong timing cover and you are good to go.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:52 AM
  #8  
Orr89RocZ's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 25,895
Likes: 429
From: Pittsburgh PA
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: 555 BBC Turbo
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: MWC 9” 3.00
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

I'd probably lean towards a 4" stroke. Easier to fit and clearance. Oil pan rails get cut alot with big strokes

421-434 are very popular and work well
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2017 | 09:15 AM
  #9  
Orr89RocZ's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 25,895
Likes: 429
From: Pittsburgh PA
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: 555 BBC Turbo
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: MWC 9” 3.00
Re: 450 SBC for street use only

Also just remembered there was a guy on corvette forum with a 450 sbc. Afr 245 head and a custom miniram i think. Ran into the mid high 10's all motor i think. to me it wasnt that impressive
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:17 PM.