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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 01:26 PM
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How does this look?

Hows this look?

I installed my Quicktime electronic cutout (borla version), for the borla kit it goes in instead of the plates, so you can control it in the car instead of unbolting it everytime you wanna change a plate.

But it acts as a 1/2 spacer, and anyone who has the borla kit knows its a bitch to get the tail pipes even and straight. Does it look bad if I just leave the passenger side pipes off, and put like a 3" turn down peice rite after the flange/cutout

2nd pic is under the car, it shows where the Quictime cutout is now, its just not on in the pic.

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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 02:59 PM
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Not that it will look horrible, just it will look better with both pipes.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 03:32 PM
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got to have two pipes......
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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From where you mounted it, it appears as if you bought the cut-out stictly for noise purposes?
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 04:11 PM
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I bought it to be able to go from full open to full closed with the press of a button.

that opening you see there is actually part of the borla kit, the electronic cutout isnt on there yet, but thats where it would go.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 04:25 PM
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It's funny (coincedence funny, not haha funny) that you're posting this because today, 4mula88 and I were doing some last minute x-mas shopping and I mentioned that same thing.

We were both wondering what you were going to do to make up the difference?

I'd say take the pipe that a GOOD muffler shop, have them cut out a 1/2" and weld the tip back on. If done right, you'd me none the wiser.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 05:24 PM
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Looks kinda like the Slp two on the left. That plate is pretty cool but I like to run my Borla one way and one way only, wide open.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 08:14 PM
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I used to, but with the new engine it is ALOT louder, so I'll need to quiet it down quickly sometimes.

Usefull for quiet neighborhoods and late at night too, just to keep me out of trouble.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 11:50 PM
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Gotta have the dual tips or it looks dumb!! Just my opinion!!
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 03:32 AM
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it looks ok!
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 01:33 AM
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why do you have to have two tips? it only cuts into your flow....not that i can say anything since i always thought it was better to have two as well.

when i see a car with two pipes i know it's slower.


have you finished the cut-out yet? how do you like it?
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 09:07 PM
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I don't get all you Borla guys with your over priced muffler that you just block off any way. You would think that for all that money, Borla would just make a muffler that flowed well.... by the way, I only have one pipe out----but it's a 4 inch pipe!!!:hail:
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kandied91z
when i see a car with two pipes i know it's slower.
not always
Attached Thumbnails How does this look?-dual1.jpg  
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 01:30 AM
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almost always.........1% that isn't. what kind of power are you running with that setup?

unless your up in the 4 digit numbers a good single exhaust is all that's needed.

StreetRCR 4" is killer, what kind of power are you running with that? custom headers or store bought? what type of muffler are you running 2,3 chamber?
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kandied91z
why do you have to have two tips? it only cuts into your flow....not that i can say anything since i always thought it was better to have two as well.

when i see a car with two pipes i know it's slower.


have you finished the cut-out yet? how do you like it?
The car is all ready for it, the bolts to hold the flange where the borla plates go in were seized in there somehow, so I dropped the whole rear 1/2, finally got 2 out, snapped the 3rd, drilled/tapped it put the cutout in and the motor is dead so I am sending it back for a replacement
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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Deadbird, that exhaust looks killer! Do you have any pics of the pipes going over the rear axle to the muffler(s)? How did you clear the track bar brace on the driver side?

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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 01:43 PM
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I am running a little over 500 horse with Hooker super comps (1 7/8) headers and a single chamber Flowmaster race muffler. If that's to loud I will put two 3 inch bullet mufflers before the y pipe. Haven't had it out on the street yet but I've got money saved for the tickets.
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 02:42 PM
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sounds sweet........i wish you luck!


i know i'm in the same predicament, i have no idea what i'm going to do to harness it. i know i want an electronic cut-out though so that i can make some major noise when the neighbors upset me.
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 03:09 PM
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what about during the winter when you can see the exhaust gas flow out of the tips...youll have gas coming out of the left tip...and gas magically appearing on the right...but i think you'd have to be a car person to pick up on that
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 07:24 PM
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the only thing good about two pipes is the noise is less, but so is the performance. main reason why you see vehicles coming from the dealership with single tip options for those that want performance exhaust.

for all of you that are still in the dark i'll dig up a small article in camaro performers during spring of 2000.


"Exhausting experience, part II"

If you want to stick with all-gm upgrades, but still want a little more thunder for your LS1-powered Z, consider replacing your muffler and tailpipe system with the '98 firebird WS6's.

pontiac only used this particular configuration for one year. why? first, it's a single, round outlet system that looked a little dorky sticking out of the firebird's two-rectangular-outlet rear bumper. also, it turns out that the system was too loud for gm's specifications.

those two reasons are why you want it for your car! if you look under your camaro, you'll see that the only thing "dual" about its exhaust system is the tailpipes. the single outlet design of the '98 WS6 system flows better and provides more power. as for the exhaust sound, well, if we have to explain why you want it louder you'd better stop reading right now! CP
while there are many other documented reasons why the "fake" dual look is not a good idea when considering power flow numbers this is just one that comes to mind.

all of you can certainly do what you like, but understand that for the most part people who are really into performance know on the street that a car with a setup like this is slower.
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 10:35 PM
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Kandied, please explain to me how this applies to the Borla cat-back as it is not even a cross-flow muffler and when an open plate is used, is basically the same as an open cutout.
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 01:07 AM
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You need dual pipes! -89IRO
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 01:47 AM
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not trying to start an argument...by all means go about however you choose. i was just trying to stop some of the rumors that many believe about the stock "fake" dual look having more power than a single.
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 06:42 AM
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Im not starting a fight, and maybe it being early i didnt see anyone saying the fake duals made more power. But how much less can it make from a single or 2OTL. Its like an air foil on a tpi car. Is it nessesary? Prolly not. Does it help? There are tests that say yes. If you lose 5 hp from having a crossflow, then you can make it up elsehere. CHP just did a 355 in "my gen camaro" it has edelbrock TES headers, not the best headers in my opinion, stock 2-1/4 cat, and 3 inch FM catback crossflow. The motor still cranked out 386 hp somewhere above 5000 rpm. They said the cat may have only cost them 5-10 hp. Not bad. With a 3 inch cat, and maybe some 1-3/4 or some long tubes the could have broke the 400hp mark.
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 02:16 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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well i agree with you for the most part...


the only reason i'm bothering to state anything is because i myself had the borla cat-back with all the little neat tricks.

when i swapped it out for my 2 chamber flowmaster single out my track times improved quite a bit on my stock engine. not to mention, around here that's what we install on cars as far as those who race and are wanting performance to the rest who are just looking for performance. sure it doesn't look as nice, but it makes a difference.....the whole reason why you paid money for the exhaust in the first place right?

case in point i guess is if your going to spend money on exhaust system why not get one that will make a difference right? most companies are going more toward the single out in more performance applications and they use the dual type for a more streetable and less noise situation, basically for those who want a little noise and aren't worried about the most power gains.

while i agree with the above statement that a dual look is cool looking; i was just making the point that it isn't as performance oriented. that's it.

please don't dwell on the subject as i don't want to change this thread around..........if you believe one way then believe it. i understand that everyone has their ideas.


86FyrBrd, how did you wire the cutout up?
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