Ok...

Here is the deal....i have a 305 with NO engine mods..just a Random Tech Cat, and a 2 chamber Flowmaster. Its really loud, and I get alot of compliments. But i heard a Borla on some other f-bodys and they sound a bit different....and if by doing this it would make it louder, then i am happier...so, my question is, should i keep my flowmaster, or if i was to get a Borla, would it be louder/throatier/deeper rumbling? I would keep my high-flow cat, and just change the muffler out. I just want to know which one to go with. Thoughts?

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

Why dont you get headers?

 

B/C i have 118k+ miles on that engine...and there are little things going wrong with it...at this point, i dont think its worth the work and $$ for headers. A little thing like a muffer wouldnt be that much of a PITA.

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

well the borla isnt just a muffler, there is a cut out pipe, i know i have borla on my car. its louder that the american thunder and the 40series.

you cant just swap sorry it wont work.

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Jarrad
1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
TH-700R4
G92- 9 Bolt Borg-Warner 3.27gears
Bright Red Hardtop/ Grey Interior
NEW RED PAINT
WELD PROSTARS.
Hopeing for 13.6s with new mods!
DAILY DRIVER: 1991 GREY S10 2.5L/5SPD -FOR SALE.

 

I'd stayed with the flowmaster. what size pipe are you running ?

 

RAREROC-

What do you mean i cant just swap?? I am just looking for the muffler...not an entire catback system...just the borla muffler. I would get rid of the flowmaster, and put the borla on...i mean, why cant i do that? Does it attach specially somnehow...like with legos?? What about the cut-out pipe?

NHcamaro-

I am running stock size pipes....you shold hear how loud my exhaust is now..but i heard borla gives it a more grumbling sound...deeper and richer....thats why i just want the muffler....I dunno...



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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

If your just getting the muffler dont get the Borla it sucks. I have the whole Borla adjustable system and when I use the block off plate to where all the exhaust goes through the muffler it sounds like crap, way quieter than my old flow master. So if their seperate muffler is the same one that comes with their catback systems dont bother.

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1987 Iroc 350
GTS headlight/tail light covers
Camaro SS Wheels w/Sumitomo HTR ZII 275 rear, 255's in front
K&N filters
Adjustable Borla cat back
SLP 1 3/4 headers
w/ Air born coating
3" Catco cat
Large tube runners
ported plenum
Holley afpr

FUTURE GOAL:
To go really F'in fast!!!

Some pics of it at
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...949&Auth=false

[This message has been edited by john5.7 87Iroc (edited June 26, 2001).]

 

John 5.7-

You realize that i DO have a Random Tech catalytic converter....if i swap out the flowmaster for hte Borla and keep that cat, will it be louder and better than the Flow??

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

there are no legos. and the borla muffler is not setup for dual tips. it has a one inlet one outlet muffler, and it would sound bad if you just used that.. i would stick with the flowmaster unless you can afford the catback which has a plate system


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Jarrad
1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
TH-700R4
G92- 9 Bolt Borg-Warner 3.27gears
Bright Red Hardtop/ Grey Interior


DAILY DRIVER: 1991 GREY S10 2.5L/5SPD -FOR SALE.

 

I was hoping for legos...kinda miss them Oh well...i guess i will just stick to the system i have no...no sense in replacing a perfectly good setup entirely. I just thought that i saw in a jegs catalog or somewhere that they sold the borla muffler's...didnt know they didnt come with dual outs...its pretty gay if it doesnt unless you buy the whole freakin setup. Sucks. Oh well. thanks everyone for the input.

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

i realize that. I have a catco cat with my system. I am not sure what you mean by that. If you dont know what the Borla system is it is Its like a regular exhasut system with a cat converter and muffler in place. Right before the exhaust pipe enters the muffler there is pipe that branches off to the right rear of the car with tips at the end of it so that the system has duel outlets on each side of te rear. Now at the point where this pipe braches off You have plates with different size holes in them that you can change so that you can control whether you want all or some of your exhaust to go through the muffler or through the pipe that has no muffler on it and you can control sound this way. Using the plate with the biggest hole or no plate at all, will totally bypass the muffler and its like runnung open exhaust except that the cat converter is still being used.

What I meant in my earlier post was that when I used the plate to where all the exhaust flow went through the muffler, the muffler sounded really quite. Now when I use no plate at all my exhaut is damn loud.


Sorry didnt see your last post but If you had the money and really wanted a loud system would say the switch is worth it

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1987 Iroc 350
GTS headlight/tail light covers
Camaro SS Wheels w/Sumitomo HTR ZII 275 rear, 255's in front
K&N filters
Adjustable Borla cat back
SLP 1 3/4 headers
w/ Air born coating
3" Catco cat
Large tube runners
ported plenum
Holley afpr

FUTURE GOAL:
To go really F'in fast!!!

Some pics of it at
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...949&Auth=false

[This message has been edited by john5.7 87Iroc (edited June 27, 2001).]

 

I didnt mean to sound like an @$$...it just sounded like you thought i had only the flowmaster on there. My mistake Anyway, yea, i undersatnd about the plates for the exhaust....to control flow/sound. Of course, i would use none of the plates, and this is where i was wondering if the Borla was louder than what i have right now. And, i just want to purchase that Borla muffler by itself...i dont need a whole cat back system. My catalytic converter made a HUGE difference in the sound comming out of my flowmaster after i put it on....and i am sure it would do the same for teh Borla, if i can get it with a dual out like you said. So, its a good idea, i take it...if i am looking to improve my sound over my Flowmaster then....outstanding

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH

 

ive never heard a borla on a 3rd gen, but i know that flowmaster sounds awesome. if you are soley conserned about nois, why dont you just get a cut out? for some reason the borla sounds more tinny to me. but that may just be the difference of LT-1 and LS-1

 

a set of headers and y-pipe will do a lot to smooth out your exhaust note. You can carry them on and bolt them to a new small block later if you want to as well.

 

The Borla exhaust in Summit is only the muffler back for about $400 I believe, just spend less money on Edelbrock TES headers or SLP, that will definately help your sound, plus you say your engine has a lot of miles on it, but the headers will bolt on to a 350 as well. Just something to think about.

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'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
FLOWMASTER
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
2:73 GEARS
Rebuilt 700R4, with manual valve body
B&M Megashifter
Soon to be installed
Exhaust Cut-Out and different gears, either 3:73 or 3:42
"There is nothing more addicting than speed"

 

Yeah, Jeg's does sell Borla muffler's but I believe those are for rice burners, I could be wrong, I don't have the catalog right here.

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'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
FLOWMASTER
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
2:73 GEARS
Rebuilt 700R4, with manual valve body
B&M Megashifter
Soon to be installed
Exhaust Cut-Out and different gears, either 3:73 or 3:42
"There is nothing more addicting than speed"

 

Well thanks for all the input...but i think for now, until i get a new engine for the car, the best thing to do would be to leave the exhaust alone...b/c when i do get a new engine, it will be worked up, and it will need a larger exhaust. Thanks again for all the responses.

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1986 WS6-Equipped 5.0 TPI Trans Am
Random Tech High-Flow Cat
Two Chamber Flowmaster Muffler
Megs Custom 4.5" Stainless Steel Rolled Tips
1999 Grand Am GT In-Dash CD Player w/Equalizer(fits like '86 original)
5% Tint On Rear, 35% On Sides
http://www.pitt.edu/~zyhst/trans86/

OTHER RIDE:
1998 C5 6Spd. Corvette Coupe
Silver w/Gray Leather Int.
12/14 Options
Stock(for now)
Best 1/4th: 13.5 @ 104.4MPH