Why all the flowmaster haters?
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Originally posted by RAV3N
Hold up wait a minute.......FLOW BETTER ?????? What for? To gain extra 3-5 horses out of it? Or for the sake of how sound flows? WTF???? Okay, you need to explain it a little more to me. I do not understand why do you need that flow? Flowmaster , lol, I didnot buy it because of its name and that it's master at flow... the sound is what made me like it, not the flow.
Hold up wait a minute.......FLOW BETTER ?????? What for? To gain extra 3-5 horses out of it? Or for the sake of how sound flows? WTF???? Okay, you need to explain it a little more to me. I do not understand why do you need that flow? Flowmaster , lol, I didnot buy it because of its name and that it's master at flow... the sound is what made me like it, not the flow.
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I don't think flow is really an issue. If you're pushing around 300hp, the flow loss in pretty minimal. If you're up around 5 or 600hp, then everyone else can tell you that your flowmaster sucks if they can ever catch you.
I want to see a show of hands, how many of you were just dying to buy a flowmaster, but didn't...base simply on the fact that they may cost 2 or 3 ponies.
...but on the other side of the coin, I GUARANTEE that 75% of the people running flowmasters bougth them because of the name, and you KNOW it's true. Flow tests unseen, sound unheard. Most people don't even know that other options are out there.
I want to see a show of hands, how many of you were just dying to buy a flowmaster, but didn't...base simply on the fact that they may cost 2 or 3 ponies.
...but on the other side of the coin, I GUARANTEE that 75% of the people running flowmasters bougth them because of the name, and you KNOW it's true. Flow tests unseen, sound unheard. Most people don't even know that other options are out there.
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Originally posted by urbanhunter44
When I first got my LT1 it had a Flowmaster 80.
Sound:
Low RPM (Idle to 2000): Sounds decent. Nice and bassy, loud. Has good over-all tone to it.
Medium RPM (2000 to 4000): Sounded nice getting up there, not very loud for the RPM though.
High RPM (4000-6000): Sounded alright. Mostly just white noise when I whomped on it. Not loud at all.
Flow:
Sucked.
My new exhaust is ten times better and there was a nice power increase in the upper RPMs.
When I first got my LT1 it had a Flowmaster 80.
Sound:
Low RPM (Idle to 2000): Sounds decent. Nice and bassy, loud. Has good over-all tone to it.
Medium RPM (2000 to 4000): Sounded nice getting up there, not very loud for the RPM though.
High RPM (4000-6000): Sounded alright. Mostly just white noise when I whomped on it. Not loud at all.
Flow:
Sucked.
My new exhaust is ten times better and there was a nice power increase in the upper RPMs.
Oh please. Flowmaster kicks *** and you cant stand it.
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Lets stay on topic guys.
This pretty much sums it up:
What the hell is so hard to understand? Some people like the sound, so they buy it. Others don't, so they buy another brand. It's non sense to argue opinions on sound. As I stated above, Abubaca pretty much summed up the flow issue.
This pretty much sums it up:
Originally posted by Abubaca
I don't think flow is really an issue. If you're pushing around 300hp, the flow loss in pretty minimal. If you're up around 5 or 600hp, then everyone else can tell you that your flowmaster sucks if they can ever catch you.
I don't think flow is really an issue. If you're pushing around 300hp, the flow loss in pretty minimal. If you're up around 5 or 600hp, then everyone else can tell you that your flowmaster sucks if they can ever catch you.
What the hell is so hard to understand? Some people like the sound, so they buy it. Others don't, so they buy another brand. It's non sense to argue opinions on sound. As I stated above, Abubaca pretty much summed up the flow issue.
Last edited by IROCThe5.7L; May 15, 2005 at 03:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Abubaca
I don't think flow is really an issue. If you're pushing around 300hp, the flow loss in pretty minimal. If you're up around 5 or 600hp, then everyone else can tell you that your flowmaster sucks if they can ever catch you.
I don't think flow is really an issue. If you're pushing around 300hp, the flow loss in pretty minimal. If you're up around 5 or 600hp, then everyone else can tell you that your flowmaster sucks if they can ever catch you.
Where the 3rd gen cars have a problem is we are trying to squeeze 4,5,600+hp thru a lousy design sgl exhaust setup and still have the performance of a dual exhaust and be reasonable quiet.
A good custom sgl exhaust like a mufflex system cost a ton of money and weighs a ton. It also is a noisy system when its attached to a high power car. The bigger the exhaust with
more cu in and power a car makes, the louder it will be.
We have to live with the fact that we were screwed by poor engineering by GM engineers when it comes to the exhaust
system on our cars.
Last edited by RWB____s; May 15, 2005 at 03:06 PM.
Originally posted by RWB____s
IMHO Flowmaster is as good as the vehicle its attached to. They(flowmaster) have many different units to chose from, sgl chamber race mufflers to multi chamber street mufflers.
Where the 3rd gen cars have a problem is we are trying to squeeze 4,5,600+hp thru a lousy design sgl exhaust setup and still have the performance of a dual exhaust and be reasonable quiet.
A good custom sgl exhaust like a mufflex system cost a ton of money and weighs a ton. It also is a noisy system when its attached to a high power car. The bigger the exhaust with
more cu in and power a car makes, the louder it will be.
We have to live with the fact that we were screwed by poor engineering by GM engineers when it comes to the exhaust
system on our cars.
IMHO Flowmaster is as good as the vehicle its attached to. They(flowmaster) have many different units to chose from, sgl chamber race mufflers to multi chamber street mufflers.
Where the 3rd gen cars have a problem is we are trying to squeeze 4,5,600+hp thru a lousy design sgl exhaust setup and still have the performance of a dual exhaust and be reasonable quiet.
A good custom sgl exhaust like a mufflex system cost a ton of money and weighs a ton. It also is a noisy system when its attached to a high power car. The bigger the exhaust with
more cu in and power a car makes, the louder it will be.
We have to live with the fact that we were screwed by poor engineering by GM engineers when it comes to the exhaust
system on our cars.
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The force II I have sounds alright: cold start, semi-warm idle/rev
I dont much care for the 80 series, though. To me it sounds a bit hollow.
I dont much care for the 80 series, though. To me it sounds a bit hollow.
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