Hey guys here's the deal. To to start off, I work at a car wash. Now I've driven just about everything you can think of and my problem is this: Every SVT Mustang that comes through or just your eveyday GT sounds mean as hell. What's going on? What kind of exhaust is it? Please someone help me. You know it kinda makes me mad to think that Ford gave their pony cars a good sound while the camaros got left sounding kinda weak. Ohh by the way, don't get me wrong I love camaros and always will. I wouldn't feel complete without mine.

 

True duals

 

its true duals and different firing order, Ive also heard that they sound mean because a 302 has as much block meat as a 350 just stroked diff, Could be

 

there's a Saleen next door, and i think it sounds hollow. I'm not dishing on the car, i'm sure its sporty and all, but it just has a "hollow" sound to it.

 

Yes, most mustangs sound really good. I've always heard because of the duals and fireing order. But I wouldn't call Fbody exhaust weak. It just a different sound, and IMO, more aggressive. I like the way mustangs sound best at part throttle.

 

I agree, I think the newer Mustangs sound real nice compared to my car. It's quite amazing how much of a difference true dual exhaust can make on a car compared to the single exhaust like my camaro. All my friends have '94 302 GT mustangs and they are all 2x as loud as my camaro 305tpi with headers/y-pipe, cat, and flow 30 series. One of them has the bbk shorties into an off road X, and a bassani catback, I don't know if there's anything better sounding out there, it sounds like a cammed race engine.

 

Mustangs period just sound amazing. They sound much more 'tuned' than your typical SBC. I like them both but I wish I could get a more tuned sound from my motor (I guess open shorties doesn't help much )

 

Actually... no.
The layout of the exhaust is the bigger part of the sound.

I built my dual setup looking for 'that' sound. The mustang sound.
The 'hollow' tone is what makes it such earcandy.The crossover pipe and length of outlet pipe (after the muffler) are what give the mustang that 'hollow' sound.
The difference can be heard between a full length exhaust mustang and one that simply has dumps.

Excluding the hollow part.. I've gotten very close to the sound I pesonally like alot.

If it were just because of the motor, the 5.0 and 4.6 would sounds worlds apart in tone.

Single exhaust, for the most part, makes a motor sound.. lazy (by that I mean a stang, duals @ 4k sounds like it strung out, sbc, single @ 4k... just chuggin along)

My opinoin though.. don't worry about it.

 

^ Got a sound clip? I'm sure it might "kind" of sound like a mustang. But with all do respect, I think it really comes down to the motor in my opinion.

I've never heard an Fbody sound like this:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/w...232E62D372.htm

My flowmaster might be similiar at idle because it has a hollow sound. But as soon as you bring the rev's up it's a different story.

Although, here is a mustang in my opinion that shys away from the average mustang sound. I wouldn't say it sounds powerless .:

http://media.putfile.com/SVTMM_Both_runs

 

I don't know why anyone would ever like that annoying, whining, droning, hollow, powerless sound. Nothing sounds like a cammed high compression Chevy engine with true dual 40 Series or some kind of straight through chambered style muffler, nothing.

 

I'm not saying I'd take a Mustang, Mustang motor, or even the exhaust itself is just sounds better and much mroe tuned for the street. But when a high compression SBC flys by I defenitly sit up and take notice.

Big blocks sound even better...

 

most around here just take muffler off and run thru cat only

 

An SBC and an SBF have the same firing order, but the cylinders are numbered differently. Chevy has the odd numbers on the driver's side and the even cylinders on the passenger side, while Ford has 1-4 on the driver's side and 5-8 on the passenger side. This applies to the 5.0 Ford, I dont know if the 4.6's are different.

There is barely enough room to put true duals on our f-bodies, but in my opinion its not worth the hassle and cost. A single 3.5" pipe has only slightly less volume than two 2.5" pipes.

 

holy hell that black cobra in the vid above sounded ... odd. but damn what a lovely sound

 

The first video, a Chevy engine with a cam on single Flowmaster exhaust sounds way better than that, deep rumble instead of hollow mini musclecar sound. The 2nd video, that thing sounds like a V8 with a tin can as an exhaust tip, almost like a V8 with import exhaust.

What happened to F-Body exhaust in the last few years that alot of people complain about is a thing called the LSx's. F*rd managed to keep their sound somewhat similar between the 5.0 and 4.6, but when Chevy switched to the LS1/LS2 it was a whole different engine and sound compared to the real Chevy engines of before. Instead of nice rumble and don't mess with this sound, these new engines sounded like they belonged powering things that move on water with their barely audiable high powered V6 sound LOL. Stock for stock, an L98 car makes a 320HP LS car sound like a powerless wonder, but we all know how that race goes.

 

I wish I did... I've just about forgotten what it sounds like myself since the car does nothing but collect dust.

The motor certainly plays a part of the sound. I didn't mean what I said as 2 different makes of motor will sound identical with the exact same exhaust. They will sound very similar though.

There is a mustang around here that sounds like that black one in the 2nd video.. it has no mufflers at all (less the supercharger as well) and drives past my work quite often.
It's rather irritating to hear because, it sounds awful.

I'm not a fan of straight pipe on anything though.

 

i agree with irocztwentygreat, LSx motors sound like pure a$$.

As for mustangs, they're true dual setups with a crossover. I personally don't care for their exhaust.. the only thing it's good for is letting me know where an easy kill is

I was surprised that my '97 picked up alot of that "hollow" tone when I went to LTs/ORY. Not a lot, but with just a tad of the "hollow" tone, a tad raspy from no cats, DEEP from the magnaflow and MEAN from a 350 SBC, it sounds pretty good

 

[QUOTE=urbanhunter44]i agree with irocztwentygreat, LSx motors sound like pure a$$.

NOT WITH A BIG A$$ CAM.

 

[QUOTE=LT1LE]or a nice exhaust

 

Well nothing to debate about here, because it is all opinions. I'm sure there are people that think SBC's sound like crap, and SBF's sound awesome. If everyone liked the same thing, how boring would that be? I liked both of those clips I posted, especially the Cobra, I think that sounded like a bad *****.

Got ya! I wish you had a sound clip, I'm very interested in hearing it.

I think that can go both ways. I've heard good ones, and I’ve heard horrible ones (in person). I hear they really start sounding bad when you start combining ORY's and straight through mufflers. But like I was saying, can't really argue opinion. The ones I thought sound good, you could think sound bad.

I think we can sum it up and say "different strokes for different folks".

 

yeah and nothing really sounds like my 1.3L motor with 2" primaries comming off the block into a single 2 1/2 inch exhasut then split again into dual 2" pipes back to the rusted out mufflers.
whats your point

 

All V8 Mustangs from 86-present come with a catted H-pipe....AKa duals. Then you just upgrade from there. F-bodys have a quiet y-pipe design.

A 5.0 is the SAME bore as a 350. Only differance is a shorter stroke. It is a TRUE 5.0....done the right way. 302s make power easily.

I always wish f-bodies were designed and given a dual exhaust from the factory.

 

yah i know what you mean. my camaro has flowteck headers, hollow cat, 2.5" pipe, into a 80 series. it sounds pretty good but the only thing really giving me a good sound is the motor

 

Matt...whats up buddy? Havn't seen you in a while. Car sounds nice, we need to meet up sometime; I wanna check out the car. I'm trying to go to the valley Wed for test and tune (just to watch, the 383 is haivng some problems right now) so you should head out too. Is the car able to run yet?

I'm sure duals would make SBC's sound much different but on my old motor I only had the pleasure to hear it with a stock, completly quiet exhaust, shotty 2.5 " single cat-back (then with headers), and a single 3" mandrel bent setup with headers and no cat.
There just isn't enough room for true duals on thirdgens, especially when lowered 2".

 

The shorter stroke makes it have a tighter firing order.. That what my mustang buddy has always told me anyway and it seems to make sense.

 

short stroke or long stroke if your at 6000rpms your going to fire each spark plug only 3000 times a min. it isn't going to make a difference as to how "tight" they fire to each other.


EDIT DAM NTHING wont let me post sometimes and instead make me post a dot then edit the damn thing to add what I want

 

Not alot man. My car is back down, my fuel solenoid on my NX kit took a dump on me and I popped my head gasket again. IT wont be back up till next month.

Trust me, true duals sound SWEET on a SBC.

Hodge on here has a 383 stroker with Hooker LT's, and dumped duals with SPintechs.....it osunds ROWDY!

 

ORY and a straight through (SLP LM/Bullet/XR-1, etc.) sounds like **** on an LS1. The LS1s best hope for good exhaust is to get something that undercuts the tone alot, like a magnaflow muffler.

And yes I meant stock/bolt-on, not cammed. They sound okay cammed.. but still odd. A similarly built Gen 1/Gen 2 SBC will still sound alot better.

 

it's the duals... ever hear a g-body with flowmasters and h-pipe and shortys even???? sounds like a stang but deeper!

I have long tubes and a nice cam in my thirdgen running through a single muffler. I have only driven it for a few short test drives and all I can say is everyone stops and looks and then checks to see if it has duals

 

i beleve most of the reason they sound like that is because of head design as well as a (in some cases) overly flowing exhaust.
what i mean is that the tone comes from the small exhaust port flowing into the very open duels. the oversized pipe is what gives it its raspy sound.just like a four banger with a strait pipe.

 

The above post doesn't seem relevant for all mustangs, my friends mustang sounds killer, and it has both large exhaust ports(trick flow heads) and large exhaust(headers,x-over,flows,dumps).
EDIT:did not see in some cases, sorry. But my friends exhaust is still killer.

 

an oversized pipe does not produce a raspy sound.

the note of rasp is typically present in any un-catted car. Much moreso in a car with shorter exhaust or with straight through mufflers.

Their tone comes from the true duals with a crossover, doesn't have anything to do with the "port size."

 

actualy the port design and size has just about everything to do with the tone and pitch of the car.
think of it like a instrument (like a trumbone) how you hold your mouth on it dircetly effects the sound of it.
now, you can fab a pipeing system that will make it sound close.
why do think a chevy has deeper tone(larger ports) and the Y-pipe

i agree with you on the raspy part and most stangs do have storter exhaust

 

displasement is one other thing that plays a role in the tone of an exhaust.

 

Actually this is incorrect. I own both a Mustang and a GTA.
Firing order for a 350 chevy is 18436572 and a 302 H.O. and 351W is 13726548 and goes ccw and the chevy is cw. It is also 1-4 on the passenger side and 5-8 on the driver side.

The black Cobra in the vid is a local guy and just about all of the cobra's with the type of exhaust he was running sound that way. It's a Bassanni off road X-pipe with bassanni exhaust with the baffles taken out of the tips. I personally think that f-body exhaust sounds like *** except for the GMMG, that is the only exhaust that sounds good on either an SBC/LTx/LSx engine.

Video - Wild Ron 1

Another buddy of mine with an LS1 running GMMG, this IMHO is the only exhaust that sounds even close to a Mustang exhaust.

 

I dont think the guy in the black cobra knows what a rev limiter is... lol

If I remember correctly, I think the mustang cams have a faster duration than the Camaro ones, plus the x-pipes that they put on make it alot more aggressive sounding... most of the time, more bark than bite...

 

i think that stang in the video clip sounded better at idle than when he got on the gas!

 

My GTA exhaust

My GTA

My Mustang exhaust

My Mustang

 

I've got both, 94 GT with shorties, stock H pipe, and a Mac catback and my 91 Formula with stock everything except for a flow 80. the mustang does sound better, but the bird with 3:42 gears will walk all over the Mustang still. I own both cars so I'm not goin to bash the Mustang. the Mustang is more comfortable to drive also, but (stock to stock) it isn't as quick (3:08's I'm assuming is why) doesn't stop as good and doesn't even hold a candle to the bird when it comes to handling. the mustang is a nicer comuter car IMHO, but performance wise it doesnt come close

 

I've never owned a mustang and only had a ride in a few but time and time again thats what I hear.

 

a mustang with a nice exhaust usually sounds better than a camaro with a nice exhaust (IMHO). Ay least i can say there are many more nice sounding mustangs in my area than camaros.

 

So the displacement of the motor, power level, induction choice, pipe size, tuned length, choice of muffler and tips have NOTHING to do with it?

A Camaro typically has a deeper tone because it has more cubic inches and has a longer (tuned length) exhaust. Cubes (to some relation - power) = bass, fwiw.

That's why if u compare a 305 and a 350 3rdgen with the same exhaust, the 350 is going to sound deeper.

 

what effects that though is the length of the pipe. lower pitched frequencies resonate at a longer pipe and vise versa for a shorter pipe. width of the pipe though doesn't make much of a difference with that though
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5.0 or the 99+ 4.6L have more bite then our cars though if your is still a stockish 5.0. and mine well mine just sucks

 

Go to cruise nights and compare cammed Chevys with duals and Flowmasters and such to F*rds and Dodges, there is no comparison. I hear them all a few times a week and most people at the shows usually seem to agree that the Chevys have the coolest, most serious sound.

http://www.zerotactic.net/uploads/87TPI/drive%20by.wmv

I think that for a stock cammed .30 over LB9 with only a few mods and just a Flowmaster 80 Series that this sounds great. Better than a stock 5.0 with their whiney hollow dual Flowmasters or whatever.

 

I just wish I had ball flanges like a mustang my hookers leak constantly and it pisses me off

 

Yea, my lowly 305 sounded mean as hell too. Meaner than most Mustangs but not as tuned.

 

*yawn* sounds too.....f-bodyish I have always hated the way the f-body sounds with the normal exhaust, thus the reason I dumped the cat, 3" pipe and soon to be chambered exhaust and get rid of the flowmaster.

I still love the way my Mustang sounds over my GTA but the GTA will sure give it a stomping though

 

Couldn't agree more.
Although I think the Bolra sounds good as well as the chambered IMO

 

personally when it comes to exhaust tones, i prefer the high pitched, dremel tool-like whine of a .75 liter four cylinder at 14,500rpm. kinda makes you feel like youre straddling a jet fighter. combine that with an earth shattering 145hp and 367lb dry weight, lace it with a seemingly endless powerband from 5000rpm to redline and you have.......my bike!!!

but seriously though, how many of you can say you bought your car and ran a sub 10sec 1/4 the same day???

oh man i need to get another thirdgen BAD, i think i was just talking up a four banger

come to think of it though, i never did have my iroc to 165mph, now thats become almost routine to me......

 

Nicely put!! When I upgraded the exhaust to a 3" Catback exhaust to a "stock" type muffler with the dual pipes coming out The exhaust note was truely amazing. There is nothing like the resonating, roaring, unbridled melodic sound of a Chevy V8 pumping away. Mustangs make a lot of noise, but the sound is very empty. The stock muffler was killing my power so i slapped on a Borla 3" stainless high flow model that increased the power output and muffled the sound considerably. It was a trade off, better power for less sound, unless you WOT it and it growls mean. I like the stealth ability though, people dont expect a quiet car to suddenly sound mean when you slam the gas.