Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
Really? This post appeared like 1-2 days after I made my post suggesting it to someone on here who could'nt figure out a way to mount their plate without making ugly holes. Oh well, from the looks of this post, Im not the only one to have come up with that idea anyway. It is the best way to mount the plate on most vehicles, imo.
Off subject, I may be getting a 4th gen. wing here shortly(if I can work the deal) so I may be PM'ing you for some info on that but we will have to see if the deal goes through first. I also have a couple other questions about your car but I'll wait and see about this wing and send all my questions at once.
Off subject, I may be getting a 4th gen. wing here shortly(if I can work the deal) so I may be PM'ing you for some info on that but we will have to see if the deal goes through first. I also have a couple other questions about your car but I'll wait and see about this wing and send all my questions at once.

On a 4th gen wing....GET ONE FROM A LT1 CAR, NOT A LS1 CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
My buddys fits great, the pedestals sit flat. I believe 93-97 is the key. My 2001.....On the pedestals, the fronts sit up and lean outwards. I'm actually considering finding a different/earlier one. Even the wing ends "lean".



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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
In chicago the secretary of state said on some radio talk show that one of the reason's for the front plat was its use fullness in hit and runs cause the plat sometimes falls off and is left at the scene of the crime. Personally I think it looks ugly on any car or truck.
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Well, I FINALLY went outside & mounted it on my car.




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thats awesome man, Im sure Ill be doing something very similar this summer.
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hopefully the front drag/wind doesnt smash the bolt ends into the paint.
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They are 1/8" aluminum, not just flimsy sheet metal. I can't even physically push it back far eough to make contact. The metal brackets won't even bend with that enough.
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Hell, we don't even have to have a rear plate.....mounted that is. As long as it's visible like from the rear hatch or whatever, it's ok.
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
Radar isn’t, Laser is. They specifically look for a flat, shiny surface to bounce it off of, there are actual sights on the gun and front plates are a favorite target. On something like my 4th gen TA you can get within a fraction of the distance that a 'normal' car can and still not get a clean signal off of it with the headlights down and the plate off because there isn't a real flat surface perpendicular to the direction of the laser on it.
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Radar isn’t, Laser is. They specifically look for a flat, shiny surface to bounce it off of, there are actual sights on the gun and front plates are a favorite target. On something like my 4th gen TA you can get within a fraction of the distance that a 'normal' car can and still not get a clean signal off of it with the headlights down and the plate off because there isn't a real flat surface perpendicular to the direction of the laser on it.
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
Not to steal this topic but people living in Texas sign this: http://www.petitiononline.com/txplate/petition.html
Front plates cost the state alot of money to produce--and in the end cost the tax payers untold amount of money. Its a rubbish law that needs to go away.
Front plates cost the state alot of money to produce--and in the end cost the tax payers untold amount of money. Its a rubbish law that needs to go away.
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I signed the petition right now, how many more votes do we need? lol
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some states here in the u.s. dont require one...like Pennsylvania doesnt and new york doesnt either...right now its up in the air if NJ needs one too, theres a law thats being looked over to see if they can do away with the front plates, but chances are, they'll just keep them lol more money goes to the DMV and more money to the state, thats all they care about lol
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OK, BACK TO THE FRONT BRACKETS. TRY REGULAR OLE SHELF BRACKETS. THEY COME IN DIFFERENT COLORS. BEND TO DESIRED ANGLE AS NEEDED. USE BOLTS ON THE TOP OF THE PLATES (I USED 10-24x3/8, WITH WASHERS), THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. DRILL THRU THE BOTTOM OF THE GROUND EFFECTS OR BUMPER, WHATEVER. BOLT IT IN TWO PLACES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BRACKET AND YOU'RE DONE. VERY STIFF STRUCTURE, NO WORRIES ABOUT WIND PUSHING INTO BUMPER. LOOKS VERY PROFESSIONAL. REMOVE TWO TOP BOLTS/PLATE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CLEAN BEHIND IT.
DON'T HAVE PICS YET, BUT I JUST DID TO MY BIRD AND SATURN COUPE. WHOLE JOB COST ABOUT 6 BUCKS AND TOOK 2 HOURS BOTH CARS INCLUDING MEASURING.
CIAO.
DON'T HAVE PICS YET, BUT I JUST DID TO MY BIRD AND SATURN COUPE. WHOLE JOB COST ABOUT 6 BUCKS AND TOOK 2 HOURS BOTH CARS INCLUDING MEASURING.
CIAO.
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Yes, but my method required no new holes to be drilled. I used 2 existing bolts, to hold the brackets on.
I wouldn't exactly call home shelf brackets "professional looking"....Besides, those have that shaped piece in the bend for extra stiffness, which would push the brackets out almost an inch.
I wouldn't exactly call home shelf brackets "professional looking"....Besides, those have that shaped piece in the bend for extra stiffness, which would push the brackets out almost an inch.
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IT IS PROFESSIONAL. YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF THE BRACKET AND EVEN WITH THE ELBOW FILET (WHICH IS 1/2", BTW), IT'S TIGHTER IN THAN YOUR PHOTO, AND NO FLEX.
NO HOLES ON 83 DAYTONA GROUND EFFECTS. ALSO, IF YOU ONLY USE ONE BOLT EA SIDE ON THE BOTTOM YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SET THE THING VIBRATING AT RESONANCE WITH WIND SPEED.
1/8 " AL IS A BIT OVERKILL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIKE THE ROUGH EDGES.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES, EVERYONE'S GOT ONE...
NO HOLES ON 83 DAYTONA GROUND EFFECTS. ALSO, IF YOU ONLY USE ONE BOLT EA SIDE ON THE BOTTOM YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SET THE THING VIBRATING AT RESONANCE WITH WIND SPEED.
1/8 " AL IS A BIT OVERKILL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIKE THE ROUGH EDGES.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES, EVERYONE'S GOT ONE...
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First off...Take your attitude to the curb. That kind of stuff isn't put up with here. I said nothing negative about your shelf brackets.
The aluminum is what I had laying around, so it was free.
I've checked the bolts. They haven't loosened any, so I'm not worried about it falling off.
Another thing, which I ignored in your first post......Typing in all caps is viewed as yelling, in text. Try typing in lower case and capitalizing as needed.
The aluminum is what I had laying around, so it was free.
I've checked the bolts. They haven't loosened any, so I'm not worried about it falling off.
Another thing, which I ignored in your first post......Typing in all caps is viewed as yelling, in text. Try typing in lower case and capitalizing as needed.
IT IS PROFESSIONAL. YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF THE BRACKET AND EVEN WITH THE ELBOW FILET (WHICH IS 1/2", BTW), IT'S TIGHTER IN THAN YOUR PHOTO, AND NO FLEX.
NO HOLES ON 83 DAYTONA GROUND EFFECTS. ALSO, IF YOU ONLY USE ONE BOLT EA SIDE ON THE BOTTOM YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SET THE THING VIBRATING AT RESONANCE WITH WIND SPEED.
1/8 " AL IS A BIT OVERKILL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIKE THE ROUGH EDGES.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES, EVERYONE'S GOT ONE...
NO HOLES ON 83 DAYTONA GROUND EFFECTS. ALSO, IF YOU ONLY USE ONE BOLT EA SIDE ON THE BOTTOM YOU'LL EVENTUALLY SET THE THING VIBRATING AT RESONANCE WITH WIND SPEED.
1/8 " AL IS A BIT OVERKILL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIKE THE ROUGH EDGES.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES, EVERYONE'S GOT ONE...
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WELL, STEPHEN, I TOOK OFFENSE TO YOUR COMMENT. MAYBE YOUR ATTITUDE NEEDS THE CURB-KICK. THIS IS A KNOWLEDGE SHARING POST. I POSTED WHAT I HAD DONE QUITE OBJECTIVELY, WITHOUT CRITICIZING OR CHALLENGING ANYONE ELSES COMMENTS, NOR SOLICITING ANY. YOU HOWEVER FAILED TO DO THE SAME (LIKEWISE NOTED ELSEWHERE IN YOUR POSTS. SEEMS YOUR'S IS THE ONLY OPINION THAT COUNTS.
AND MY CAP-LOCK KEY IS INOP.
BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR THREAD.
AND MY CAP-LOCK KEY IS INOP.
BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR THREAD.
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Your second post ever & you start your TGO life off by offending somebody. Not a very good start. Nowhere in my 4,000 + posts do I reject others opinions.
You mentioned drilling hole in your nose...Mine mount with ZERO new bolts, require no new holes to be drilled. Nothing.
As for yours being closer...Show us a pic of yours. And how it mounts. Mine is just past the bend, maybe 1/4" from the front of the nose to the LP. The reinforcing bends in your shelf brackets have to make it stick out farther, to clear the bends. A professional would make something that FITS, not simply use generic shelf brackets. Yes, I could pull them off, bend the brackets more & angle the plate back, but It doesn't bother me enough to do so.
Besides...It's only temporary until I finish the flip-up, hidden license plate holder.
You mentioned drilling hole in your nose...Mine mount with ZERO new bolts, require no new holes to be drilled. Nothing.
As for yours being closer...Show us a pic of yours. And how it mounts. Mine is just past the bend, maybe 1/4" from the front of the nose to the LP. The reinforcing bends in your shelf brackets have to make it stick out farther, to clear the bends. A professional would make something that FITS, not simply use generic shelf brackets. Yes, I could pull them off, bend the brackets more & angle the plate back, but It doesn't bother me enough to do so.
Besides...It's only temporary until I finish the flip-up, hidden license plate holder.
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
If I had a Camaro, i'd buy that, but I don't.Stephen, I might have to copy your idea when I finally repaint my car and replace the front bumper cover. I'm not drilling holes in it! Stupid IL laws.
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
how did you do that hidden james bonds style bracket for the license plate?
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I think the reason the police want front license plates is so they can run your number on their computer without having to get behind you. (checking for warrents ect) Like in parking lots and at slower speeds around town.
There was a fight in the Arizona state legislature years ago where for a couple of months we needed to run the front plates and I got the ticket for my '69 GTO but then they repealed the law... (I still had to pay the $45)
There was a fight in the Arizona state legislature years ago where for a couple of months we needed to run the front plates and I got the ticket for my '69 GTO but then they repealed the law... (I still had to pay the $45)
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I saw that video, great design, So what like somethin that comes out from under the bumper and flips in front of it
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Jersey is too rigid and will probably always require the front plate. I don't agree with it at all.
some states here in the u.s. dont require one...like Pennsylvania doesnt and new york doesnt either...right now its up in the air if NJ needs one too, theres a law thats being looked over to see if they can do away with the front plates, but chances are, they'll just keep them lol more money goes to the DMV and more money to the state, thats all they care about lol
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Mine was FREE. Just had some scrap aluminum laying around. But my plate is now sitting on my dash.
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this what a friend of mine just ordered for his 2011 GT500 Cobra( I know, evil word) but I liked the holder anyway and asked because Texas requires it and I am sick of mine sitting on my dashboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
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this what a friend of mine just ordered for his 2011 GT500 Cobra( I know, evil word) but I liked the holder anyway and asked because Texas requires it and I am sick of mine sitting on my dashboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
If I had a camaro I would probably get one similar to this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TS3...eature=related
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this what a friend of mine just ordered for his 2011 GT500 Cobra( I know, evil word) but I liked the holder anyway and asked because Texas requires it and I am sick of mine sitting on my dashboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz9Q-sjtJsU
this is available from www.ninosport.com for $60
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.......If I had a camaro I would probably get one similar to this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TS3...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TS3...eature=related
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when i start working more and get back to having money to **** away that is.
***holy crap didnt realize how old this thread was.
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Re: Hidden Front License Plate Bracket
Did he do a thread on how to build it by any chance?
I know summit racing has one:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/APR-400/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/APR-400EU/ - motorized version
Here are some pictures of the summit bracket. Pics belong to: The Project

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body...-007-cool.html
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Bump...I found this thread & I'm gonna hafta do this for my car!
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