My 3rd gen dash is shot, so I'm putting a 4th gen dash in it. I have one problem though, I have an 82 so it is a carb with no computer. What would I have to do to make the electronic gauges work on it?

 

Save yourself a nightmare and forget about it!

 

Sorry if this comes across as rude, but I'm not looking for opinions. I just want to know how to do it.

 

Don't listen to that guy. Getting the gauges working would be hard. I'm sure it could be done, but I would suggest to install some aftermarket gauges in there instead of what there . this way you have the new dash with the shape and something else different then anyone else. And I think it would look better, kind of race looking.

 

I would love to do that, but I dont have the money for the gauges. I'm trying to get these to work until I can afford new ones.

 

One suggestion that I might would make.. You will probably have to remove the printed circuit card on the back of the new guages. Then when you get a full schematic of your current 2 connectors, you would have to direct wire them into the dash.. This would be a very messy job and I am not positive the voltages would the same.. But, usually all guages run on a +12v system.. I wouldn't have a clue if the VSS is the same so the cruise might be an issue.

 

well my first suggestion would be get a wiring diagram for what ever dash gauge set you have. The oil, alt, and such should not be to much of a problem wiring the fuel gauge my be tricky since the fuel sender is wired differently, but the hardest one is the speedometer. as yours is mechanical and the one on forth gen is electrical. and has a sensor on the trans. And I don't think the th 350 can be adapted for that sensor. All I could say is find one off a 700r and see if it will fit what you have. I know others on this site made the 4th gen dash work with a 700r trans , I know you don't need an ecm for the gauges to work

 

Thanks! I'm definetly going to start ripping the dash apart and looking into it. If anyone has anymore ideas please share!

 

This might sound rude but I don't care. If you don't have money for gauges then you don't have money for this swap. Getting electrical gauges to work for your car is expensive! So until your not broke forget it!

 

Nevermind. Why do I care? Lol.

 

Taking my finances are none of your business and you are not contributing to this thread at all, but rather just causing me a headache, gtfo?

 

Dude give the kid a break!! He's customizing his car wit what he has available. The art of custom cars was never intended to be about who has the biggest bank account!!

 

He got rude before I did. I was just trying to save him a headache but like I said I don't care, if he wants to tackle it more power to him.

 

Well I'm just going to say this. He has 3 parts cars an 85,92 & 94. You really need to watch how you talk to people's kids & how you react with them. Looks to me that your one of the guys that hides behind a computer. I can also tell you that if you were in Texas I'd be happy to meet with you & tell you how you will talk to & react to MY KID!!

 

Sounds like you are one and the same!

 

Well I can say he is my kid & one of the best I know. You can talk as much about me as you want but when it comes to him you need to back off!!

 

Odometer, yours mechanical, 4th gen digital. Speedo, yours mechanical, 4th gen electrical. Price the conversion parts and tell me if it's cheap.

 

I didn't know I was bad mouthing anyone. I just replied to a smart*** comment w/ one of my own. For that I'll apologize as I didn't know he was kid.

 

Apology accepted

 

Another option would be to look at Dakota Digital for the Electronic Sender for the 700r4.. I don't know on the otherhand if it has the same PPM that the newer dash requires

 

BTW, does the 94 parts car still have a good drivetrain?

 

No it doesn't. It was a v6 car & I pulled the t5 out of it

 

As far as the 700r4 sender... I have the 92 parts car with a 700r4 that had an electronic cluster so if that sender will fit a th350 & operate th 94 speedo that would be awesome. I was just thinking the cluster may have been running through the ECM.

 

I have seen that before in some wiring schematics.. The only thing that I seen on the 3rd Gen running through the ECM is the VSS for the cruise.. I will try to get on my mitchell manual later and dig through the schematics and see if the 4th gen's are the same.

 

Here are what I pulled off the Chiltons for a 95 Camaro wiring diagrams.. This doesn't break it down wire to wire.. But you can see on the one where the VSS is run through the ECM and it does show that it is a 4000ppm requirement that is on the 88146w07.pdf file

 

Wow. That sorted itself out quick.

Good job guys!

-- Joe

 

PATC. They (and others) sell a cheap trans adapter that will give you the signal you need for the speedo.

This (dash swap) has been done a number of times on third and second gens. If you can't find the info you need, I can link you to woody's swap which is one of the more detailed I've seen.

-- Joe

 

The vss runs to the ecm on newer tpi cars, then to the cluster and cruise control from there, same with v6, the newer tbi cars use the vss buffer box, earlier cars dont apply as they used a 2k pulse vs the 4k pulse needed for the 4th gen IP.

You'll need the vss buffer box from an 89-92 TBI camaro or firebird, which 4th gen dash you use will dictate the rest, 93-97 will use the same fuel sending unit resistance and tach signal, 98-02 doesnt, if you want the 98-02 style i'd get the dashboard but grab the IP from a 97. Oil pressure and Coolant temp senders would be a good idea also.

 

He has a Th350 with a cable speedo.

-- Joe

 

Painless 4k pulse thread on vss to buffer box in that case

 

If you find out how to make this all work, maybe you could do a thread here with pics . So you could help out others that may want to do this swap. Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be, helping each other and advancing our selves and cars

 

I did a search in the transmission section here on TGO and used the search for th350. I found out the sensor and speedometer gear from a 5speed will fit the th350.

 

I did some more searches here and went to engine swap, Looked up efi to carb, and it seams you just need the vss buffer box and wire it directly to the speedometer.
I hope this may help

 

Why the buffer box? Just run the right PPM into the dash...

-- Joe

 

I'm not sure wht the buffer box, I just went threw a lot of threads here and this is what they said, ( just trying to help a member out, that's why I also said where I found the information )

 

Maybe I'm forgetting, but if I recall an '82 camaro has a mechanical speedo to the cluster, with a VSS out of the cluster to the ECC.

If he swaps to a 4th gen dash, he's going to need a electronic signal compatible with the new cluster. My recommendation is to buy a TH350 electronic speedo that is adjustable from PATC, rather than locating a stock one, matching up the gear teeth, wiring a 4 out buffer, then hoping the 4th gen dash takes a 2k or 4k.

On my thirdgen I'm running a dakota, sgi5 or something like that I think it's called.

-- Joe

 

Yes thats why I posted earlier that he'd need to get that from a 5speed, it will bolt up to his th350. I did a lot of research here on TGO to get the answeres and to guide this person where to look and verify what I'm saying

 

if you can get an adapter for the tranny vss, the buffer box will work. i hooked one up to an s10 digital cluster and it worked like a charm.

 

Because what I said does all of that without a lot of added cost.

Painless wiring 4k sensor threads right in place of the speedometer cable, has the same pulse as a stock newer model thirdgen vss, goes into the buffer, splits the signal to the 4k output that is needed for the 4th gen cluster and outputs a 2k pulse for cruise, or stock ecm.

 

Here is the sensor you need, the vss buffer you can get at the junkyard for a 90-92 TBI camaro or firebird.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-60116/

 

Right and it's only $78 from PATC, not $123.

Why not run the 4k directly into the speedo? Didn't know he had cruise and needed the 2k..

-- Joe

 

The only one that style I can find on PATC's site that threads onto the stock cable output is an 8000 pulse sensor, which would require the calibration box to run it and get a 4k output. They sell the two together :

#350E. Kit to convert your TH350 transmission to an electronic speedometer. This is used when your vehicle has an electronic factory speedometer and your transmission was converted to a TH350 gear driven type speedometer. This kit consists of a 8 pulse generator and an electronic ratio adapter to adjust the signal. Can be used to drive a speedometer cable at the same time. Cost $228.00


Unless you are referring to a different sensor they offer ?