Looking to sell my 1998 Camaro Z28, but I decided I may be interested in a trade + cash as well. The car is an automatic with 3.23 gears. Milage is a bit on the high side at 168k, but it runs great. Its black with grey interior and Ttops. Its equipped with power windows/locks/mirrors, factory CD player, cruise, delay wipers, and fog lights.

I've done some maintenance and light work to the car in the last 1000 miles which include:

- replaced dashpad (old one was suncracked)
- new MSD wires and NGK TR55 plugs
- replaced filter lid with WS6 unit (old one didnt seal well)
- removed and cleaned both the throttle body and MAF
- bypassed TB coolant
- installed Silverado deep trans pan with drain plug (with accompanying deeper reaching filter), flushed and refilled ATF
- drained and refilled diff, used GM posi addative and new cover gasket
- flushed and filled radiator with 50/50 mix dexcool and distilled water
- A/C deleted (compressor seized)
- Powerstop drilled and slotted rotors on all 4 corners as well as ceramic brake pads
- oil changed with Mobil 1 and Delco filter
- tires have 90 - 95% tread left
- Frost mail order tune

All in all its a solid car to either start modding or just cruise and have fun with. It runs and drives great with no issues. It does have a minor oil leak, however, I havent had to add any oil between changes. It does leave a few drops on the driveway now and then, though. Also, As expected of a higher milage car, the paint has some issues. Mainly the clearcoat is peeling and there are a few scratches on the finish. No major dents/dings though. The photos I've posted makes the paint look better than it is. Finally, its inspected in Delaware for the next year and a half. Had no issues passing the state inspection and no warning/check engine lights are illuminated or stored in history.

The car is located in Newark, DE 19711 and can be viewed on weekends for those who may be interested. Looking for any year Firebird/Formula/Trans Am/GTA with any V8 offered with a 5speed trans. Must be running and titled, and have no major issues. Also, I've got to have some cash on my end of the deal... no straight trades, sorry. Unfortunately, I only have a few pictures of the car, and due to being extremely busy, probably wont have time to take/post any more anytime soon. If I do get a free moment or two, I may wash/wax it and snap a few more (but it is unlikely).

Thanks for looking.

 

some more...

 

You're on crack

 

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anyway, thanks for the bump!

 

You must mean trade + $$ from your end right? The market value on those is nil! (you can't even give them away here)

 

Why would I trade my faster, more refined, newer car PLUS cash for an older, slower, outdated model? I highly doubt a LG4/L03 5speed firebird is worth more or even equal to a LS1 fourthgen

Go to any used car lot and the LS1 fbodies are always gonna cost you more. Same on any other forum or craigslist. Hell, on craigslist right now in my area there are several V8/5speed thirdgens all in the sub $2500 range. One is a digital dash/TPI/5speed/Ttops with 98k miles for $2000. An LS1 fbody, even with the milage mine has, is worth more than that

 

I might have been a little blunt. Your car I would pay a max of 3500 dollars for. A sub 100k mile 5 speed TPI 88 firebird, I'd pay roughly the same if it was in comparable condition to your car. It's the mileage that will kill you. Someone who wants an LS1 wants it for the speed/economy combo. Your's is on the brink of rebuild. Plus, ugly rims.

 

My car does not need a rebuild... it consumes no oil and has good compression. There are quite a few LS1s that have gone over 200k and still are going strong. Some even spraying nitrous on high milage stock bottom ends and holding up fine. These motors were built very stout, they can handle some serious abuse. Oh, and the wheels are the stock ones.

I'm not saying this is the only way I'm trying to get rid of my car... I have it for sale on craigslist and a few other forums. Just another option for me, and maybe someone on here that is interested in picking up a cheap LS1 for a couple bucks and a trade

 

I know I'm about to get flamed here but what the hell, I'll button up the flame suit and take the hits.

I have to agree with JayHawk here, I have found locally in my area lots of LS1 F body's and LS2 GTO's that just aren't moving. Before getting pissed, consider this...

GM revised the LS1 in 01 if I remember correctly with the LS6 manifold and a better oiling system. Your car without those revisions might need a rebuild even if she was taken care of. GM is a bunch of broke MFer's and they wouldn't do revisions unless there was a real need to do them. Hell these cheap idiots but a TPI unit meant for a 305 that choked on that POS, on a 350 which choked even more and they wedged that setup in their flagship car, the corvette!

Where's the friggin lug nut covers for your wheels. I have a 04 crown victoria police interceptor, (go ahead and rag, it's a big car that can haul all my Army **** and my 200 lbs @$$ no problem) and that thing is famous for losing the dog dish covers on the wheels but if I lose one, at least I replace it. I've lost two in the past 3 years. It makes your car look like its not tip top. With as many miles as you have, is already questioned by other members on here.

Yes, our cars are old, but the small block chevy has been around a while and if you look, not many members on here are keeping their cars stock. Alot of us have added to the durability of our cars and with forged internals and upgraded coolers and what not, we have some awesome cars. Hell, there's a reason you want one! I can tell you for a fact, that what you paid for your camaro is more than what I paid for my firebird and probably the money I poured into upgrading it. I have more power, better suspension, better braking, and let's not forget the fact that I can pretty much do whatever I want with my car because I no longer have to go in for emissions. That leaves me one up on my own list as well as many members on this board.

If you think u have better fuel economy, you might, might, but who buys a V8 car for fuel economy. Truck, yes! (Beats an SRT-10 dodge pickup!) But for a car, that has very little passenger room, not so much.

To tell you the truth, you can't even go by blue book anymore. Example, look up a 69 Camaro with the COPO package in black with the 427 and the 4 speed. Is it worth more than your car? How, that car is older and parts are a mother to find so how is it worth more? Ok, third gens. Look up a 89 TTA or an SLP Firehawk. Same outcome! Surprised? Don't be, blue book is full of it.

Here's a kicker. Think, 93 Geo Metro with 100K miles and the 3 banger in a manual with power windows and power locks. What is that car worth to you. Me? Depends how much gas is in the tank, but because it is super fuel efficient and not a "complexed" hybrid, it list for a couple turds more than what I'd be willing to throw at it.

Now that you have an open mind, also consider that swapped cars have been sold on here for under 7K. If they have a 6 speed, and an LS1 or LS2, what benefits does your car have other then the ugly color and you have to go in for emissions?

Regardless, good luck with your sale of your car, but I'm telling you right now, I highly doubt you'll get any bites from any members on here. Posting here is good so that if someone google searches, it'll come up, but that's about it.

 

I agree with everything you said, but damn you tore him a new one. When I think of the meanest Camaro ever, I think of a 2002 SS. Why? Because compared to its competition (the Mustang) it couldn't be touched! I like the fourthgens, but the "modern classic" look of these third gens, combined with their ease of use, you guys know what I'm talking about, I value them higher than a fourthgen. Most members will agree with me. Does that mean higher monetarily or sentimentally? It's for each member to decide. But most are just not going to part with a well running example for a fourthgen. They would feel like they are losing.

 

You guys are completely missing the point. Regardless of the "magical aura" of the thirdgen in your eyes, facts are facts. And that is the common LG4/L03 5speeds are simply worth less than my high milage LS1 fbody. Its not that far out there of a trade if you look at it realistically. I'm potentially thinking of swapping 4th - 3rd gen because I should make a couple of extra bucks out of the trade and could use the extra money, plain and simple. In fact, I'd rather just sell outright, but if I can make some extra cash AND still have an fbody... why not? Since compareable thirdgens ARE cheaper than fourthgens, its a justifiable scenario. While I agree that most on here will not be interested in this type of trade, some may. If my car is not to your liking, then please move on. Theres no point in trolling my thread with reasons why YOU dont want my car.

Again, my car has no mechanical issues (except for the minor oil leak, and its almost not worth mentioning except for the fact that I like to be 100% honest when describing a vehicle for sale). It consumes no oil, makes good compression, and is well maintained. It does not need a rebuild, and I'm sure a trip to the dyno or dragstrip will reveal that everything is in order and the car's rated power is there.

Oh, and BTW... I have all 4 original center caps and they are installed. All the photos were taken during the day I got my brake upgrade finished. I drove the car to my parent's house afterwards to pick up my son, and when I got back home, I retorqued the wheels and reinstalled the caps. I simply havent taken any more photos of the car since that day.

 

No, you shouldn't make a couple extra bucks. A thirdgen in comparable condition will probably have less than 100k miles on it. Low mileage no, but not terrible either. And what if its not an LG4/LO3? Maybe LB9, or L69. You start talking about five speeds in those, comparable condition to your car, and you bet your *** I would pay more for those, mileage permitting.

 

Sigh... again, there are thirdgen V8/5speeds out there that fit the exact criteria I'm looking for in this deal. I'm sorry if you think any V8/5speed thirdgen is worth more than $3500, but that simply is not the case. Please stop trolling in my thread.

 

Trade for iroc race car ???

 

I need to go where you guys live because I can't find any LS1 cars for less than 5k(even with high mileage and...really?...your going to grill him over a missing center cap? The new owner can replace that easily.)

 

Um, ok, so I realize that some of the members on here are either missing their testicular fortitude or didn't have any to start with but I guess I could pick up the slack yet again.

I for ***** and giggles I went on KBB, ran a 98 camaro z28 with 168K, auto, also checked power windows and locks which it didn't do off the bat, and maybe it is a big difference in area code, but KBB shot out a number of $2,971 for very good condition and $3,021 for excellent condition.

Jayhawk, while you are right that if the car he traded for was tpi, with all the options, blah blah blah, the cars would be close to even, he is looking for a tbi base model TBI 5 speed POS to trade for so that he has the cash on top. I'm not ripping on you Jayhawk, but you gotta be open minded of where the OP is coming from. You know, cause if any owner that has a bone stock 305 TBI also has 3.5K laying around, they wouldn't upgrade their car or nothing, they wait for a trade to some effect....

Now, to tpivette89, judging by your post count and how long you've been a member, I'm assuming you were a member back in the day, had a third gen, or in ur case an 89 TPI vette maybe? You got out of the vette, went with the camaro, and now coming back to the third gen scene. I'm not a stalker and don't care to research your posts and learn about you, sorry. Anywho, as being a member previously and knowing how the forum works, if you are selling a car, or trading, or whatever, you know your car should be in the best shape it could be, lug covers and all. Where's the interior shots and engine bay shots? What gives? Yeah, I'm one of the idiots that got ripped off more than once on this board and I expected a bit more from a member that has been on here for a while.

Now seeing as I've been nice, it's time for me to say what I really need to seeing as it looks like no one has the fortitude to do so, I will. Its not trolling when we mention our opinions on an open discussion board. We all come from different walks of life and alot of opinions do come up, but that doesn't make it trolling. We mention are opinions because we have the right to. Some of us (including me currently) have defended our freedoms and are more than entitled to our freedom of speech may it be in person, through a text or in an open to the public car forum.

Now while I will admit that I'm still looking for a cheap 4th gen roller, and I have a fully built LS2 sitting on an engine stand under an engine bag that is collecting dust, I would not want to buy a roller that I was questionable about. Bone stock cars turn me away alot because people that modify their cars love them and even if they need body work or have some other minor problems, for the most part, that car was someone's pride and joy. That car took alot of someone's time, blood, sweat, tears, and money and you know that it was for the most part taken car of. Think about that when you find a 305 TBI that is bone stock. Good luck and I wish you the best on your hunt for a third gen.

 

Sigh... I'm gonna let you have the last word on this one. In my 10+ years on the forum, if its one thing I've learned its that trolls never stop. Good luck with your thirdgens.

If anyone is really interested in a trade, the car is still availible. However, its also for sale locally and on craigslist, so this ad could be pulled at anytime in the event it sells outside the forum. Ill update the post if this occurs