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NO. Check the options out... Also Note! the T-Tops on this special edtion 1LE car whatever that means.

 

1989 1LE Window Sticker




1989 1LE Console Door Parts List RPO

This will show a true 1LE car, if its not there it is not real.



ILE
Brakes
Aluminum Drive Shaft
Baffled Gas Tank
ETC

 

i love the "SPECIAL EDITION"

 

What a clown! We should give this guy a break after all it does have the special edition decal!

 

Here are the questions that came to him.

Q: Hi: In 1989 the G92 and C60 AC options did trigger the a limited street version Camaro (about 1426 G92 Camaro's built) but the G92 option with C60 delete triggered the 1LE Optioned SCCA Camaro (111 built). As was stated in one of the Third Generation Camaro web sites, "Chevrolet added 1LE equipment for the race series. This included aluminum drive shaft, big front brakes adapted from the Cor_vette, fuel tank baffles, specific front and rear shock absorbers, and different jounce bumpers. Also, fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the radiator". All of the 111 1989 1LE SCCA Camaros have the RPO Option Code 1LE on the RPO sticker. The G92 "Street Versions" do not have the 1LE RPO Code with the exception of the police package packaged Camaros which were introduced in 1991. The 1991 and 1992 Camaros with the RPO B4C Option (Police Package) did have the 1LE Suspension parts but not the entire 1LE Package. Hope this info helps. Mingoman1 Answered on Apr-02-05

A: The Camaro White Book states this is a street 1LE based on fact that is has option C60. 1989 was first year for these cars per the White Book.

Q: 145 Speedometers were in ALL 350 IROC-Z cars and most 305 cars. As I wrote to you earlier, the T-Tops, fog lights and AC are the dead giveaways to this car not being a 1LE. Answered on Apr-02-05

A: Chevrolet built 111 "1LE" 1989 Camaro's for the SCC A Showroom Stock racing series. But 1LE wasn't ordered like other RPOs. Ordering the RPO. G92 performance axle with an IROC-Z Coupe triggered 1LE. Here's how it worked: When G92 was ordered, it forced several other options including engine oil cooler, 4-wheel disc brakes, dual converter exhaust and P245/50ZR16 tires. A 1989 Camaro with G92 had to have either the 350ci (RPO B2L) engine with automatic transmission, or the 305ci (RPO LB9) with 5-speed manual. These Camaro's had 145 mph speedometers and 5500 rpm redline tachs. If RPO G92 was ordered with air conditioning, the cars were built as street vehicles. If air conditioning was not ordered, Chevrolet added 1LE equipment for the race series. This included aluminum drive shaft, big front brakes adapted from the Corvette, fuel tank baffles, specific front and rear shock absorbers, and different jounce bumpers. Also, fog lamps were deleted for weight savings and better air flow to the

Q: nice car, but im not so sure if this is a 1le camaro, only because the car came with a/c. the ile option was ONLY triggered if the a/c was deleted. ive seen other camaros with the g80, g92,oil cooler, and disc. having a/c with the car was not enough power for SCCA racing. remember all 1le camaros were meant to go racing with.if a/c was not ordered then it triggered the 1le option which also included, aluminum driveshaft, heavier duty front disc breakes and calipers, fuel tank baffle, specific front and rear shock absorbers, and durometer jounce bumpers. i have a 1le camaro and if you have any questions please e-mail me. Answered on Apr-02-05

A: Chevy made stock and street 1LE cars in 1989, this is one of a few street 1LE's made in 1989. See Camaro White Book. This is rare car indeed, has many interested experts since listed - Per all documentation I have and features on car, G92 option along with oil cooler, disc brakes, dual converters, speedometer, etc this is a 1LE. Look at speedometer alone, how many camaros in 1989 had 145MPH speedometers? Only 1LE's did as I found in my research. As I said this is a rare car.


He really did his research. Yeh right.
A stock 1LE ??
A street 1LE ??

Level 1 IROC-Z with 5.0 TPI engine witth 5 speed or 5.7 TPI engine
Optional axle ratio (G92) (305/3.45, 350/3.27) and its required options.
Air conditioning delete (standard heater)

Then the 1LE performance package was installed consisting of:

Fog lamp delete
Aluminum driveshaft
Performance exhaust system (dual cataalytic converters)
Special deflected disc shocks
Aluminum spare wheel with smaller sparre tire
Larger (11.86 inch) front rotors with Girlock or PBR Australian built HD front dual piston aluminum calipers
Special swinging fuel pickup in gas taank and special 18 gallon baffled fuel tank for fuel pickup down to .5 gallon reserve to prevent fuel starvation in hard cornering.

The 115MPH speedometer was the equipment now used on base equipped IROC-Zs for 1988. This would be the 305 CID (5.0L) Throttle Body Injection (TBI) LO3 equipped IROC-Z, regardless of transmission. The 305 CID (5.0L) Tuned Port Injection (TPI) LB9 equipped IROC-Z with the automatic transmission also recieved the 115MPH speedometer.

The 145MPH speedometer was used on the 305 CID (5.0L) Tuned Port Injection engine (LB9) with the 5-speed transmission and the 350 CID (5.7L) Tuned Port Injection engine (L98) equipped IROC-Z and
includes convertibles with the LB9 option.

The 5000 RPM redline tachometer was used on all 305 CID (5.0L) TBI engine (LO3) equipped IROC-Zs, regardless of transmission. The 5000 RPM tachometer was also used on 305 CID (5.0L) Tuned Port Injection
engine (LB9) equipped IROC-Zs with automatic transimissions.

The 5500 RPM redline tachometer was used on all 305 CID (5.0L) Tuned Port Injection engine (LB9) equipped IROC-Zs with manual tranmissions, as well as all 350 CID (5.7L) Tuned Port Injection engine (L98) equipped IROC-Zs.



Simo

 

I e-mailed the owner the following:

There seems to be some confusion on whether this car is a true 1LE. The answer is simple and conclusive. RPO code 1LE will be listed on the SPID sticker inside the center console compartment. Is it?

BTW, the 145-mph speedo was introduced in late production 1986 Z28's with the 305 TPI. I bought one of these new. I currently own two 1987 305 TPI Z28's (one with the IROC-Z option) and both have the 145-mph speedo.

Willie
Moderator
History/Restoration Forum
www.thirdgen.org

 

He stated that the T-tops were aftermarket, which they are. I have the same tops in my firebird and were made by Cars & Concepts, what gives it away is the trim pieces running along the front and rear of the t-top section.

 

I received a reply. Here it is:

"Thanks Willie, I checked per your recommendation, it DOES NOT have 1LE there. I have had many say this is not a 1LE and many state it is, the street version. Since this has been bid on I cannot modify listing per eBay, I will check out more later today. Most important thing is to be accurate, I appreciate your assistance here."


To this, I replied in part with an image of the SPID posted (thanks Simo!):

In all these years, I have never heard of, nor have I ever seen written documentation of "street" vs "race" 1LEs. Every 1LE I have ever seen proof of has the 1LE RPO and none have A/C. I've attached an image of a SPID from a 1989 1LE IROC-Z. Please note the "K" in the VIN, proving it's 1989. Note the lack of air conditioning, fog lamps, etc. I hope this solves the mystery.

Willie

 

I also contacted the owner of the car last night. I informed him that his car is not a 1LE. I told him the same info about the 145 speedo. I told him that he confused what the White Book was saying when it said street version. It said, "If RPO G92 was ordered with air conditioning, the cars were built as street vehicles." I explained to him what that was. I also told him that ALL 1989 1LEs were based on a level 1 car, and his is a level 3. I informed him to add something to his description so he didn't come off sounding bad. I told him that his invoice and also the SPID sticker will show 1LE, and his does not.

What I don't understand is why Willie gets to be the one that gets the credit for proving this to him when I contacted him early yesterday evening!!!

 

Is this what you want...

 

I forgot to mention....

I told him to look at the website that he is giving credit to for the 1LE information and read it carefully. It says the same thing as the White Book and he just misunderstood it.

 

No, look at his listing now....He is thanking Willie for setting him straight. Dog gone that Willie person!!!

 

does it really matter who did what first as long as someone gets the help they need? thanks again willie

 

I'm joking around. I hope you see that.

 

I have to get a Special edition decal also

 

wasn't sure about the joking. i havent been around the site that long. but i should have known better . sorry

 

Ugh, so many people put crap in their descriptions to drive up the bids... then say that it might not be

I thought 1LE was option group 0, not 1?

 

While the Level 0 was the 1LE package, you could not order Level 0 directly on the order sheet, the 1LE used a back door ordering system. This was done to prevent the average Joe, getting the package, as it was designed for racing.

The IROC-Z 1LE performance package option Option Level 0 was built by ordering the following three options:
Level 1 IROC-Z with 5.0 TPI engine with the 5-Speed or 5.7 TPI engine
Optional axle ratio G92 (305/3.45 or 350/3.27) and its required options
Air conditioning delete - the standard heater

 

Many times there will be legit 1LE cars with T-tops or fog lights or AC... and that was a dealer add-on, right?

So, technically, any Iroc of those years could be one (with the RPO of course)

 

Anything added by the dealer won't have an associated RPO.

 

Never knew that! Makes sense though.

But I have seen 1LE cars with strange options before, and they were deemed dealer additions.

But, back to the subject at hand, that car, is of course, not a 1LE.