I was looking through some other sites and stumbled across some information that I was totally unaware of, Pontiac made firebird station wagons in 79 and 86. only prototypes, but in 86 there were 2 made and only 1 remains today. Not something I would drive but a piece of history none the less. I'll look for the link and post it....www.Kizz.org/firebird/ Like I said, nothing I would drive.


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They're called a Kammback or something to that effect. They're lame as hell. They had a 4th gen version on Horse Power TV a week ago... Looked gay on the 4th gen body too.

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that one that was on horsepower tv was i think built by hurst they said it was a TA but I dont think it was an LS1 TA. simply becuase it didnt have T Tops and as far as i know you cant get an LS1 powered TA without t tops. i know the 99-00 ones cant be had without t tops but i am not sure about the 98s. and honestly i didnt think it looked that bad. the paint was great. TINFY

 

I saw the 2ndgen up close+personal. Kind of a hack job IMO, and it looked funky. Definitely different though. Good thing they never made it, or we wouldnt be driving 3rdgens, GM would have killed the F-body a long time ago

 

TINFY what kinda crack are you on? All 98-present Z28's, T/A's, and Formula's have the LS1, there is no other V8 option.

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I think it is OK looking in a funky kind of way.
I dont know what he is talking about, no



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yea no duh i am not stupid. i couldnt say all fourth gens because not all fourth gen TAs had t tops and i dont know if the LS1 powered 98 TA was t tops only but the 99-01 are t top only. they never said what was under the hood it could be a damn six cylinder. it may even be an updated LT1 TA but i dont think it was a new TA because it does not have T tops and if it is a new TA like i am sure they are passing it off as then i want to know where they got a solid roof TA. man my post wasnt that hard to read. I hope this one makes more since. TINFY

 

Theres quite a few prototype cars that are older cars with 'updated' body panels and such to make it look like a newer car than it is. Dunno if thats what they did, I know little to nothing about 4thgens

That one looks kinda funky too, looks ok in some places and others it doesnt. Weird is all I have to say I guess. Looks like the whole 'shell' might lift up like the hatch does on normal cars tho... that would be cool.

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I know of two people who made new Trans Am hardtops out of Formulas...it's really very simple...replace the front bumper, the rear hatch and center tail light piece and you've created a very "limited production" car. As far as the Hurst Hauler goes, the "station wagon" aspect comes from the simple addition of a different hatch...someone will probably start selling those on the aftermarket. If they made the hinges the quick disconnect variety they would have a car that could be reconfigured easily like the old Nissan Pulsars (remember those). The only downside is that station wagon hatch is probably heavy as hell, and where do you store the hatch you're not using at the time. I guess youi could hang it from a winch connected to your garage ceiling like they used to do with the old Vette and T-bird removeable hardtops. It also could have started life as a Formula with an LS1.

 

LSI TA are not t top only cars for 99-01 , thats wrong my friend , ill show you many a 2000 ta lsi without t-tops, most of them have them but not all only if you perfer

 

I agree that those cars look ugly. But one thing, I would rather drive one of those around rather than a Taurus wagon. If you have a family, then at least you still get to have something close to a trans am. I would probably never drive one, but hey I think it is kind of cool.

 

Pino if you could show me some pics of a 00 TA with out t tops i would like to see it. my friend has a 99 and he said you couldnt get them with out t tops and i have heard form other various sources such as 82 Trans Am the same but you never know i mean look at the 91-92 TAs amd formulas with 350s and t tops. supposedly you couldnt get them that way either. but as far as i know, have heard, and have seen all 98-01 TAs have t tops. it would be interesting if somehow someone ended up with a solid roof LS1 TA. man that would be a rare car. TINFY

 

Ok if you could only get a lsi with t-tops explain how you can get a firehawk with out them ? they are not special cars when they are sent to slp

 

a 98 lsi with no t-tops


http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/G...54/steve98.jpg

 

here is a ls1 camaro no t-tops


http://www.ls1.com/CarOfTheWeek/JPap...enfusmain.html

 

Pino thats a good question about the Firehawks i have no idea about them. and your right they arent anything special when they are sent to them. as far as the two pics you posted the first is not a TA its a formula and the second well thats a camaro. the descusion is wether or not there are any 98-01 TAs without t tops. i am not trying to bash you Pino i am just trying to find out if somehow someone does have a real 98-01 TA with out t tops since the word is that they dont exist.TINFY

 

You can buy a Formula Firehawk without t-tops...they are an option on the Formula, but they are standard equipment on the Trans Am...

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You can buy any LS1 Camaro without T-tops, and you can buy an LS1 Formula without t-tops, but they are standard equipment on the LS1 Trans Am...

 

This may be heresy, but that picture look a mix between Domestic and Rice. Seen a lot of civics w/ the hatch that looked like that.

Whats the big idea? Are they taking styling cues from the imports and putting them on domestics? lf so, somebody needs to call them up and tell them they forgot the huge fartpipes and clear turnsignal covers. Not to mention the complete lack of stickers. Although it kinda looks like they got the japanese characters on the door or whatever those are.

Just noticed something else. The name. Hauler. Maybe they are trying to compete w/ the PT Cruiser? That would be funny. The Hauler, competing w/ a Cruiser. Oh well.

To each his own, but l dont think me and the person who designed the Hauler would get along too well.

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Yes but so is the automatic tranny standard , but you can get it with a 6 speed , to say they only could get a ls1 with t tops is not true

 

You cannot buy a new T/A without t-tops. Call your dealer if you dought that.

Unless they offer them in T/A form now, Firehawks are Formulas.

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Pino i believe the six speed is standard and the auto is the option. at least thats the way it was when the fourth gens first came out. also you cant get a TA without leather. its like an option package basically. you want a TA you are going to get the different body a lot of luxury options t tops and leather. no way around it. unless there is a factory freak. which is possible and would be really rare.

as to the car looking somewhat like rice the Kammback which it is modeled after was first made in 79. long before ricers were everywhere.and there are stickers all along the lower door. they are logos for Hurst and other after market companies. but your right to each his own.TINFY

 

82 Trans Am yes they offer the upgrade in TAs too i believe it is called a firehawk also. i personally just call it a ram air TA. but SLP is converting TAs now not just formulas. TINFY

 

ok..from 97ish up? (not sure on the year) you could get the ls1....there was no other v8 option....if you wanted a v8 thats what you got....now why would they limit it to only t-tops? that means you would see a hell of a lot more t-topped 4th gens. plain and simple you can get it in any combo you like....t-top, vert, hardtop, WS6, SS, Z28...etc. IT'S THE SAME V8 ENGINE NO MATTER WHAT OPTION YOU CHOOSE.......some are configured differently(i.e. ram-air) but it is still the same engine.

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First , the auto is standard , in 93- 94 the 6speed was standard , but people Bithed, but either way , why would you not be able with a TA and yes with a Z28so say what you want , if you walk into a dealer and order a car you get what you want .

[This message has been edited by Pino91Formula (edited March 16, 2001).]

 

http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pontiac...9K-Car-fb2.jpg

http://www.0rdernet.com/Mean_Pontiac.../86kam10.1.JPG


These are links to the 2nd and 3rd gen station wagon models. They are called Kammabacks (as was already stated) and they were just freaks of Pontiac. I'd post the actual pictures so that everybody wouldn't have to chase down the link, but I'm not smart enough to do that. If somebody who knows how would do it, that would be great.


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