GmAddict

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the RPO for the 1LE for 1988 IS on the Dealer Invoice, Build Sheet and in the glove compartment. It ISNOT on the window sticker. There are also 1LE stamps on some of the special componets that are installed on the car. Also some of The 1988's DO have a Radio and Fog Lights. As far as Build date, I CAN say they were built around late July to early-mid August 1988.

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.

okfoz

From what I understand 2 of the 4 1988 1LE's got the fog lights...

I think Scott or Mark Knows this, so please correct me if I am wrong.
in 1988 of the 4 1LE Camaros
2 had fog lights.
2 were L98/A4
2 were LB9/M5

John

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

Very cool info, do you have some pix of the 1LE stampings ??

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Do you know of 1 car or have you seen all of them (cars or documents).

I'm sorry to be pushing for details but nothing you have provided is any more certain than what has been posted in this thread already.

If you do in fact know these cars I think you can narrow that range down quite a bit.

scottmoyer

What are you looking for? You asked for definitive proof that it existed and I mentioned that I have definitive proof. Now a new member, with absolutely no reputation on TGO, speaks up and verifies what I've said and you are still questioning. I will not post what proof I have as I do not want to publish information deemed private, If the owners want to join TGO and publish their RPO codes and build sheets, that's up to them. What more are you looking for? It's not hearsay anymore!!!

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Scott, you seem to be taking this personally. But we are no further along than we were at the beginning of this thread.

If you were to say that tomorrow the sky is green, and a new member, with absolutely no reputation on TGO spoke up and verified that, would the sky be green?

You know I'm not full of **** because I know your vin, I also know the others and am working on getting the build sheets on them. But for right now, until something is published, we are no further down this road.

scottmoyer

We cannot publish the build sheets to these cars since they do not belong to us. I have done a lot of research on many different cars and getting the details on the research depended on not disclosing the details in print or online. If you have the VIN numbers and want your own proof, contact GM Media Archives and pay to have them send you the original invoice on those cars.

I'm not taking this personally, but when a question is asked, and answered, but keeps getting asked, there's a tendency for frustration to set in. Absolutely no where in your posts did you require that the definitive proof be a picture of the SPID label, build sheet or invoice. I did say that I have, in my possession, the proof you are looking for and confirmed that the RPO does exist. I also said that I cannot post pictures of the proof, but you will have to take my word for it. I wouldn't say definitively if I didn't have some proof.

Jason444

iTrader: (6)

That is correct. For what its worth, I plugged the VIN of my '92 T-top 5.7 Formula into Compnine and using the "include" individual option feature at the bottom, it told me there were 204 T-Top Formula 350's in '92. I only toggled in the L98 (5.7), W66 (Formula), and the CC1 (T-tops).

Jason

GmAddict

I know every detail of 1 of the cars. I have done extensive reaserch for years trying to find the other 3. 2 others are believed to exsist.
You just have to understand that these are rare cars. They are a great opportunity for scammers. Given the proper documentation and or pictures, someone can fake a sale on one. Once pictures are posted, you have no control of where they end up.
I can say if you have a six figures, you can have and drive all the proof you want!

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

I'm the same way with 91-2 Firehawks and some of those pictures I get from owners. It seems every car is just a lil different than the next in a few details.

I'd still like to see the 1LE stampings,tags or whatever it is. I'm kind of wondering if its like the fox mustang Cobra brake kits that ford did.
I installed one of the veery early PBR twin piston caliper kits and quite a few of the parts had tags that had "experimental parts" on them.
I kept some of the tags.

chazman

iTrader: (4)

Well, on the positive side, it's good to know that our cars are reaching the point where they are worth counterfeiting.

GmAddict

Yes that is a great thing, Except as the cars get older, So do we!!!

GmAddict

I know the car sat on the assembly line for a while waiting for the parts to show up. They are just stamped signifying they are 1LE. I have found a stamp, but the car was driven everyday for a year before the original owner figured out what he had. So if there were any tags they are gone.

outcastcolt

Hey all, I was just talking with my GF about this same car. My grandfather was one of the exec's who received this car in 1988. We lived in Brownsville, Tx and he was the senior mechanical engineer for the plant in Matamoros Mexico At least from what I know of. All I ever knew about this car was that it was 1 of 4 ever made and he had to send it back due to issues with GM's test car.

It was a convertible black and red with what I was told had a corvette package. I will see if I can find some pictures of it from the family and post it.

The car itself was sent back for destruction and never made it to the show room floor.

If I can get some photos of it I will post them.

C

scottmoyer

Uhhh, all factory 1LEs were coupes, not convertibles.

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Only 1 of the 4 was a 5 spd.

881SA

This may be trivial but I'm just curious if there is any sort of pattern to the players challenge series vin numbers and these 4 built in the latter part of 88.
Do you know what the first two numbers are after the JL in the VIN?
Oz, Mark, Scott the experts here, can you guys confirm if there is a consistent pattern listing like 15, or 17?
Or is it just numerical to when they where built?

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

The vins for the 1LE cars are all in the 19XXXX range, not sure about the players cup cars.

i1roadrocket

I just stumbled onto this thread.
I own two of the four 1988 IROC 1LE’s. Both are original and fully documented. Both are 350 CI Auto and have Fog Lights.
The Red one was originally owned by Delco and has 14K miles with Radio. The Black one has 2500 mi and is Radio Delete.
If I can figure out how, I will post Pics.
I also own a 1969 Dick Harrell COPO 427, a 1971 Baldwin Motion Phase III 454 and various other rare Camaro’s.

i1roadrocket

I just stumbled onto this thread.
I own two of the four 1988 IROC 1LE’s. Both are original and fully documented. Both are 350 CI Auto and have Fog Lights.
The Red one was originally owned by Delco and has 14K miles with Radio. The Black one has 2500 mi and is Radio Delete.
If I can figure out how, I will post Pics.
I also own a 1969 Dick Harrell COPO 427, a 1971 Baldwin Motion Phase III 454 and various other rare Camaro’s.

90-irocdx3

iTrader: (4)

Just use photobucket to show us your two 88 1le camaros. Love the baldwin motion cars.

okfoz

Welcome to ThirdGen.Org

To post pictures, go to "Go Advanced" below the Quick reply Message box.

Once you are in Advanced mode, below the message box is a "Manage Attachments" button, click on that and upload the file to TGO server. The image has to be below 1mb If I remember right.

John

Mark_ZZ3

Very cool to see. It would be cool to inspect the front brakes to see how "production" they were. The player's cars were close to production, but you can see there was final trimming/grinding to get the brackets to fit.

Mark.

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

They do exist!! Very nice looking cars

RockinGTA89

now this might be a little out of place but i happen buy a old Car Craft magazine in a swap meet earlier this year. The mag was dated sept 1989 with a 5 page article on the camaro 1LE. So i thought i share it here since it's on the subject and only a year off.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Can we get a picture of the RPOs?

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

In talking with Greg, (TTowner), he said he has looked at these cars in person and they are the real deal.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

A friend of mine has done the same, it's for documentation purposes.

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

I figured that, just wanted to clear it up for those playing the home game.

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Personally I wouldn't post those SPID tags - no need to make it easier on the forgers & fakers!

Of course they are Bill's cars & he can do what he wants with them.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

No one is going to be able to forge a 1 of 4 fully documented car. It's being discussed now. These cars are Camaro history and should be known and shared.

okfoz

It is not impossible. I know many times cars will be faked, then sold overseas with their new identity. Usually no one is the wiser until the car is imported back into the US. Then the fun starts trying to prove which car is which.

Jim Mattison of PHS gave a talk on it at the Trans Am Nationals about 10 years ago where he was dealing with just that...

Today it probably is a little harder, but it is feasible.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I'd like to set up a page or post or FAQ or something about these cars. The more we know the less that can actually be faked by someone else. Especially if there's a place to look up info about the real ones. If people aren't constantly out trying to scam off 1st Gen COPOs and ZL1s, I think these are safe. And if you do get scammed, it's truly your fault for not researching.

okfoz

As I thought about this not much is secret any more. Especially when you consider that most cars RPO information can be acquired on compnine.com So really that is probably the easiest thing to overcome. Especially for 90-92 cars, as it is all available...

If someone really wanted to take the time it would not be impossible to fake any car, but for the most part, with the exception of the Firehawks, TTA's and 1LE (w/o B4C) cars, there has not been a lot of movement on values. These cars are pulling up the rest of the flock however.

But really if someone was going to "fake" a car, there are other vehicles out there that would garner more money for less effort.

John

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

I can tell you 1st hand, its very hard to clone a firehawk, it would be soooo hard to "fake" one its not funny.

okfoz

But I know someone is trying to do it... I forget his name... it is Anthony Welsch or Welches, or something like that.

I can only imagine what the undertaking for a Firehawk would be to make it accurate. I think it would be a lot easier to fake a 1LE... Start with a regular IROC, throw the brakes on there, and then delete the radio and A/C, make a fake SPID sticker...

John

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

881SA

These are great to see!!!, to be safe you can black out the last 4 digits of the VIN.
I would love to be able to confirm the RPO's for 88's actually used the 1le code???

scottmoyer

It's been said here many times, and others can validate and prove, that the 1LE code is on the SPID sticker. They don't need to be posted to prove that.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Except that the rarest of the rare Camaros need to be known about. Hopefully these cars get in a magazine or two where they belong.

881SA

Agreed!!
There are a number of other RPO's that where not an available option in 88 so it would be very interesting to see..as well as to confirm the first two numbers of the VIN last five production numbers should be 19 for late June production???

FrankieRider2

Chaz, on a smaller scale....our GTAs have being counterfeited for extra $$$ for years now. Lol

881SA

Bump!!
Seems odd for this thread to die???2 of 4?

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Nothing really new to post.

Very cool cars - would love to own one some day.

881SA

PMD,
Don't you think with the variances to the rpo's just on the G92 issue we've been finding as of late on other posts to see these 2 of the 4 RPO's for all 88's would be priceless to this website!???

i1roadrocket

I am back in TX for a short while and have the Red 1LE on the lift. I am taking some Pics. If you would like Pics of the front brakes or anything, let me know ASAP and I will take them and Post or email.
Bill

i1roadrocket

Interesting, the Mecum Trailer sponsor is Delco Moraine Brake Systems. The red 1LE looks line my 88 IROC 1LE which was a GM test car owned by Delco Moraine in OH. Can you get me a Scan of the Article?
Bill

scottmoyer

Bill, I sent you an email awhile back regarding the details of these cars. Did you receive it? You provided me the details on 3 of them. If you get an opportunity, can I get the missing car? Thanks

Mark_ZZ3

pm sent.

Briancam1

hi .i have questions on 1le. Are you available? Thanks