chazman

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Thanks JT. I saw those last night, they look like the ones.

Kevin84Z28

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The door panels are up for sale on EBAY

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CAMAR...item4cef05ee4a

chazman

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Got 'em!

subroc

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Nice! Post some pics up when you get your interior all together.

chazman

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I sure will.

One thing I've noticed is that none of the "NOS" fabric matches the factory fabric AT ALL. Not just the color, but the actual fabric is a different type. I'm trying to see if some other automotive fabric is a better match for the bolsters than the "NOS" stuff available.

I'll post if I find something interesting.

subroc

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Hmm thats interesting. I never ran into that since i never went out with the intention of making mine factory correct (obviously lol). I copied the factory pattern exactly but did not use NOS fabric on the bolsters or the door panels. I just used the darkest black velour stuff i could find.

chazman

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Okay, some observations: Now that I have my full LS Conteur interior (ie, front seats, back seats and door panels), and have contacted everyone on the planet about fabric, NONE of the "NOS reproduction" stuff is even close. And everyone uses the same reproduction stuff.

As I stated earlier, the repro bolster material is not only much darker, it is a COMPLETELY different fabric - it doesn't matter where you get it from. The CAMARO inserts are off as well.
I took the plunge and ordered some CAMARO Spectrum fabric from a TGO member. The factory fabric has a bluish/silver panel followed by a medium blue/gray panel followed by a dark blue panel. The repro stuff has medium blue followed by a kind of royal blue and then a dark blue. Looks nice, but hardly "NOS".

So, what am I going to do now? I'm going to redo as LITTLE as possible on my interior. I'm going to use some of the CAMARO spectrum stuff on my driver's seat and just leave the other seats as is, after I touch up some small spots with paint and fix some cigarette burns that is.

I'm taking a rear seat cushion to the fabric store to see if I can match the bolster fabric. If that doesn't work, I'll cut a sliver of the bolster fabric and send a sample to Original Auto Interiors for a match.

Wish me luck!

subroc

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Original auto should be able to help you out with the bolster fabric. If not SMS i believe can get it as well (at least the burnt orange they have). As for the NOS fabric that seems to be the case across the board. I know that mine is suppose to be the burnt orange and ends up falling somewhere between the red and the burnt orange. For my interior i didnt care but if your going for concourse perfect then i can see how this would bother you.

As for only doing the driver seat..be prepared for it to look a bit "off". If it was my car it would be all or none. Once you start piecemealing it, its going to look a bit odd and someone will be able to see that you've fixed the drivers seat and only the drivers seat. If that doesnt bother you then by all means but i would either give in and use the darker stuff since it seems to be the only stuff out there...or keep your eyes open for another blue interior in better shape.

chazman

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Yeah, I need to make some kind of decision here. I've got these seats set up in my garage and I keep moving the Spectrum fabric from the driver's to the passenger's seat and back again. Pretty sure I'd need to do both fronts with it. We'll see.

BTW, those seat belt guides on the '83 Conteur seats are apparently identical to the '78-'81 F-car seatbelt guides.

Kevin84Z28

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I'm not entirely sure that this is correct. I purchased my cloth several years before this the new reproduction material was available and for sure the fabric is darker in all respects, but the "camaro" is spot on. The "GM" insignia as well as the part number is printed on the reverse side. I'm positive that what I have is truley NOS. Why is it darker? I dont know.

Kevin84Z28

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Chazman, these are the rear seats I was discussing awhile back. I sent you a PM.

david068513

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I really like the black 85 only interior . Looks good!

Cross fire Sid

Im selling my 1983 z28 Camaro with the Lear Siegler Conteur interior. If anyone is interested Call me at (618) 513-2881 or (618) 513-9867

Rat Pack

Check your private messages...will try and call later..........RatPack............

subroc

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Just in case you guys didnt see it. A set of red ones for sale in the classifieds section.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...-complete.html

wdigitog

What are these interiors worth now? Seats, door panels....good condition.

subroc

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Worth whatever someone will pay for them. There is not a huge market for them and they are a love it or hate it kind of thing with no real in between. If i had to throw out a number id say 300-400 in GOOD condition. Ive seen others asking way more but they dont sell. What color are we talking about too? You have an 83 so im going to assume you have the burnt orange one?

Rat Pack

I agree with Subroc, you would be doing good to get anything more than $400.00 for the complete interior as I have rarely seen one of these interiors not need reupholstery. I bought an entire car just to get the seats out of it two months ago off of the Atlanta Craigslist for $500 and I resold the car in a day for $450. The interior was in great shape, I would say excellent "driver" quality.

Also I agree it is a "love it" or "hate it" interior that has almost a cult type following. Personally I love it, always have, but in all honesty the driver's seat is somewhat uncomfortable on a long trip. Color doesn't really seem to affect the pricing except in the 85 interiors. I have usually gotten more from those interiors since the colors for the 85's were a one year only offering whereas the 83-84 models never changed...........RatPack......................

claytonjn

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I picked up a set of there yesterday. Only the two front seats, but I only paid $100. They are in virtually PERFECT condition, once I clean them and scotch-guard they should look mint. Only defect is on the driver's seat, if you pull the leg thing forward there's a small 1cm hole. They are the black/charcoal color so from 85 I guess. Only weird thing is that for the drivers seat, the lever to slide the seat forward and back is on the right side...I would think it would be impossible to get to when installed because of the center console...that being said, I'll just install it to the regular track I have now with the lever in the front.

I need to find rear seats though. I'd like matching split-back ones, but if anyone has any black split-back seats let me know. I'm also looking for everything I need to make the front seats power. I AFAIK, the driver's side was the only one offered with power so I'd have to rig the pass side. I'd need the tracks, switch, and the plastic trim for the switch (preferably with the velvet on it because that's what the seats have now.

Oh, and if anyone has one of the passenger side conteur seats let me know because I could easily take the upholstery from the one I have now and put it on one from a trans am. Or if you have the '86 Conteur or any factory Recaro seats let me know.

Thanks!

Rat Pack

Great deal on the seats, and yes they are 1985 models if they are the black ones. You can recover your existing rear seats to match with no problem as they are the same just with a little difference in the foam on the backrest which any upholstery shop can handle. As far as making the passenger side seat power, I don't think it can be done because of the floorpan shape. Also swapping out the passenger side seat cover to a passenger LS seat from the Trans Am cannot be done as the the way they attach are totally different. The passenger side one from a Camaro is just on the regular custom cloth seat frame and cushions. You might be able to get an upholstery shop to unstitch the inserts and have them sew up another cover to properly fit the LS seat, or better yet just order a new driver's side cover to install on it.....RatPack..............

claytonjn

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Thanks for the reply. I know I can have the back ruphulstered, that's probably what I'm going to end up doing but I thought I may be able to fine bolt-in ones for a little less. I have heard of people with pass power seats in a third-gen...maybe they were 4th gen seats but I didn't think so...that's not a big deal though...

Not sure what you mean about the cloth attaching different though between pass and drivers side in the camaro, to me they look exactly the same except that the bolsters on the conteur seat are a little thicker. And the lumbar support for the legs of course..

Rat Pack

No power seats on 3rd gens of any F-body on the the pass side, 4th gens yes. As for describing the differences in the seat covers....well kinda hard to do by typing it out and no pictures, but the seat covers are not the same. The side bolsters sew onto the inserts differently, the listing wires inside the covers are in different places to allow proper attachment to the LS seats, and the bottom would have to be cut apart and resewn for the the leg support. Easiest to buy a driver's cover and put on the passenger LS seat if you find one. There were a pair of GN seats on Ebay last week for $200 and I should have bought them as they are both LS seats. Missed by that much...............RatPack.......................

claytonjn

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Yea, I know pass power seats weren't an option on third gens, but I thought I had read about someone who had gotten drivers tracks installed for a pass third gen seat. Could be wrong though. Pass side isn't a big deal anyways.

I understand what you're saying about the seats, I'll keep my eyes open for more of these Conteur seats.

merlinsta

What can you say about trans am with Lear Siegler conteur seats?

86blackiroc

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They were like the Camaro seats, except both sides were fully adjustable and they had a pocket on the backs of the seats. In '85, they got a different headrest that was not shaped like the Camaro seat's headrests.

JamesC

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Check my vbGarage (icon next to my online status) for a pic, if you wish.

JamesC

jfl1960

This is the exact interior I have in my 1982 Z28, have never seen an exact color and option match before, same exterior too, BEAUTIFUL, thanks for posting these images. Can't be that many with this option, I know the Maroon color is on 9889 bodies out of a total of approx 189,747 built in 1982, that's a pretty low number and makes this color somewhat rare for this production year.
I am in the process of restoring my Z and was almost convinced to do a color change to charcoal in the interior but now after seeing yours I have changed my mind, keeping her original, kinda forgot how nice it looks.

Rat Pack

Okay I am going to throw in some new information that I have been researching on these special seats, and that there are two different adjustable "thigh supports" used in 1984 models. The second design is larger than the early design that had been used since 1982. This second design also carried over into the 1985 seat design and wasn't changed again until the new seat came out in the 86 models. What is not known is the exact time this change occured in the Camaro, Firebird, and Sunbird models. I figure it may be as early as January 1984 as that is when it first appears in the GN's and T-type Regals.

So I need some research help from you guys that have the LS seats in your 84 models built from January to the end of the year. If you can take a quick measurement of the thigh support (the one with the handle that pulls up under your thighs) from front to back, and then I need the build date from your car on the trim tag under the hood. This will help me determine when this new design entered production. So far I have not seen the second design in an 84 with the brown or blue interiors. Any help in this would be greatly appreciated. You can shoot me a private message or an email..............RatPack...............

John in RI

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I have all 3 style seats, a few Camaro and a few Firebird.

I have only seen the first thigh bolster design on the 82-83 Camaro drivers seat and Firebird seats.

I have only seen the second design thigh support on a Camaro seat from 84-85.

I have only seen 1 86 LS Seat: Only it has the 3rd design ( in Camaro anyway )

I have never seen the second or third thigh bolster design on any Firebird LS seat. ( ONLY the first style. )

That's what I know,..... Hope it helps.

subroc

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Ive seen the second design support on an 85 trans am...which supports Johns info about it being a 84-85 design.

John in RI

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I have to correct myself - sort of !

Year range does appear to be 82-to-83, 84-to-85, & 86.

Yesterday I wrote that I have never seen the second design on a Firebird seat - I was wrong. Previously; all the Firebird Conteur seats I bought were bought as seats. ( and all were the first design ) But; a couple years ago I bought an 84 Trans Am parts car and it had factory conteurs in it. I just put my eyes on those seats and they have the second design thigh bolster.

Rat Pack

John, you are somewhat right in the year breakdown:

1982 - mid 1984 use the 1st design.
1984 mid year through 1985 use the 2nd design
1986 one year only seat that was completely redesigned with no parts interchanging with the previous design other than headrests. ***I do not consider it a 3rd design since the entire seat was redesigned.


1984 is the only year in question as to when the 2nd design was implemented into production. The earliest documented Camaro I have with the 2nd design has a May 84 build date, and it is equipped with the red/orange/charcoal interior. I have yet to see a blue or brown LS interior with the larger thigh support......................RatPack...............

So far nobody on here has come up with an 84 Z28 with the 2nd design thigh support with a build date earlier than what I have in my files........

ghostfirebird

does anybody here know how much one of these camaros would go for if it had the original seats and was a true lear siegler car but needed a complete restoration?

Rat Pack

Too many variables to say what one is worth because condition, color combo, and how well the vehicle is optioned plays into the value. As for just this one option being on the car, probably adds a few hundred dollars over a similar car w/o this option. The cost to restore this interior is more than double of a car with the custom cloth option, thus almost negating any exta value that this one option alone may add. I have found many 83-85 Z's with this interior that are trashed and in the grand scheme of things the car was worth only $500 - $1000 because of its condition. Case in point is the "Miss USA" 83 Z28 that I located for sale. The car would have a little more value because of its use in the Miss USA pageant, but the overall condition of it was so bad that it was a $1000 car tops, even with the LS seats as it was also missing the badge on the dashboard that told of its pedigree. This made the car a regular 83 Z-28 with the LG4 and the LS seat option. Look back in this thread to Jan 2010 where I posted pictures of it............RatPack.......................

ghostfirebird

hmm i see yea i have an 85 with the red interior back exterior and the seats are all their but they are faded pretty bad i am just trying to get what i have in it i bought fenders and a door and a nose from another camaro i am trying to get 1200 out of it is that like way to high? i posted my car for sale in the classified part

jfl1960

Got a couple of questions you might help out with:
1. My Camaro is a 1982 Z28 with this seat option, it only has a driver seat with adjustable bolsters, was this the common practice or was there a passenger side Conteur seat offered in 1982?
2. my seates are in very good condition for color and material except for the drivers side outside leg bolster, it has worn through from people sliding their leg over it when exiting the vehicle. My question here is about replacement cloth,I have found several companies that offer replacement OEM seat covers but nothing for the Conteur seat option on my car, any assistance here would be appreciated. FYI my interior is Maroon as identical to the interior posted earlier in this thread. (see post number 227)

JamesC

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1. In Camaros, driver's seat only.

2. The following is 83-86. I've not seen covers that will fit an 82.

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/le...pholstery.aspx

JamesC

iroc_zz

How is the quality/accuracy of the hawk conteur sets?

oddrodz

Was the brown ls interior '85 only for the camaro's?

oddrodz

And are there any other differences between the 85 and the rest? I have a set of seats and door panels (brown) that just came in on a mint body right now... What's throwing me off is that (and I posted this on another section the other day) My driver's seat doesn't have the adjustable "thigh area". I was told that the driver's seat wasnt correct, However, we had a guy come by earlier thats a pretty big collector and he swears up and down that they're not only correct, but in virtually perfect condtion, sans a little dirt and a tiny tear on 1 of the seats. I've been trying to research it myself, but everywhere I've looked seems to conflict with the last.

ghostfirebird

i have 1985 with the original seats mine are read and their beat up but it has the thigh rest things you were talking about

oddrodz

Can you post a pic of your seats? Its the color thats really throwing me off. Are your headrests tan, or are they a reddish brown?

ghostfirebird

well the seats are all red and the center has the camaro camaro camaro on it but if you have an 85 and i have an 85 than we would have the same seat frame and foam just different color cloth here is a link to pics of my car scroll down and their are pics of the seats and the seats were in this bad of condition and the car when i bought it lol
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cama...r-sieglar.html

oddrodz

Gotchya, I misread what you said about yours being red in color. From what i've seen (and ya'll feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) The conteur seats (which is the one with the thigh rest) are on all drivers but not all passengers? And I've seen 2 different shades of brown... (Mine are light tan on the headrests, sides of the seat.. others seem to be a reddish-brown) Any input on the reason for the color differences? Sorry for the 21 questions, but we generally have '68's and '69's, so this ones got me puzzled! the guy my husband bought it from swears it's 100% original (He was the 2nd owner, origianl owner had pics, etc from new... supposedly, lol) and the seats are definately not newly upholstered... I don't know, but it would be nice to know what we've got :-)

Rat Pack

There was only one shade for brown interiors with the LS seats in 83-84, but in 85 Chevrolet dropped that color and went to saddle (lt. tan). I think there are pictures of a car earlier in this thread with the 85 saddle interior (the best color of all three years with the Spectra cloth covered seats, IMO)..........RatPack..........

subroc

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Yup everything is in the first page of this thread. Saddle was a really nice color but for some reason one of the rarer ones to find. Saddle interior on a yellow gold iroc.....wheres the damn drooling smily when u need it.

oddrodz

Thanks guys... much appreciated. I finally uploaded pics of the car into our profile.. It really was a beautiful car, gonna hate to watch it go. Im hoping to find a good home for the shell and interior (which, as of now, is still intact)

oddrodz

Subroc, I cant help you with the gold iroc (ours is red...) but if you find one, I have some beautiful saddle interior for ya! ;-)

jfl1960

I took a look at your seats, I never really paid that much attention to these seats execpt for the fact that mine were original and don't match. I see the passenger side seat was redesigned in the 83 and newer, the 82 didn't have an adjustable headrest, just the hi-rise bucket, also the driver's seat appears to have gotten some extrat support built into the adjustable bolsters, the Camaro_Camaro_Camaro logo is a bit much for me but hey it was built in the 80"s and did get the nickname the "Disco Camaro". Anyway I am assuming an original 1982 Camaro Z28 Conteur seat option car is pretty rare these days. Thanks for the info guys very interesting.

ghostfirebird

i thought 83 was the first year for the camrao camaro camaro seats but anyways having an original ls car is only rare depending on the condition of your seats i recently priced how to recover the seats and it was 800 dollars so any benefit to having an ls camaro is taken away if the seats are not there or in bad condition..thats why its are job as owners to restore these cars to the former glory or find someone who will!