anybody ever seen one/ have any pics?

I know thoeretically it was possible to order one like that in 87 but anyone ever seen one?

curious

 

LOL, I kinda hope they didn't make any...that would be a big deal breaker for me if I were looking at one. I can't say I've ever seen one.

 

Theoretically yes...In 87 you COULD order one like that, but it woulda been a dealer error for not checking off the Power window box. For 88+, it was all packaged together so selecting Y84 automatically triggered the Standard options for the GTA. For 87, Y84 didn't trigger anything so the Salesman had to manually check off 350/auto, 305/manual, power windows, power locks, etc. etc. etc.

 

yeah I suppose the eccentricity of it interests me

The GTA being monochromatic paint, the seats and gold mesh wheels for '87.

Then I guess you could've ordered a TBI Trans Am and checked Y84?

also did Y84 necessitate WS6 for '87?

 

If you had ordered that way (TBI TA), the Y84 should have triggered the dealer to check off L98. Just as Y84 would have triggered WS6, although I do believe, just not sure what years/what rules, that WS6 was available separately from Y84.

 

According to Frankie from GTA Sourcepage, the 1987 GTA (RPO Code Y84) included the following:

AQ9 Seats W/Custom Trim
GTA Exterior Ornamentation
DD9 Mirrors (originally)
NP5 Leather Appointment Group
B2L 5.7L V8
PW7 16" Rims
QDZ 16" tires
WS6 Special Performance Package
KC4 Engine Oil Cooler
J65 4-Wheel Disc Brakes (on all 5.7L and all 5.0L/5-speed cars)
G80 Limited Slip Axle
B34 Front and Rear Mats

Beyond the above, everything else had to be ordered as an option package or individually.

So you could get a 1987 GTA without A/C, without tilt steering wheel, without power windows, etc., as they weren't included on the Y84 option in 1987.

We have seen them appear on the market without the above, but it's not considered very common.

 

You are kinda missing what I already pointed out. The other options had to be selected manually so it was a salesman error & paperwork not filled out correctly if they weren't. In 87, the Y84 code did not trigger the automatic selection of the other RPO codes, unlike in the 88+ GTA years it was automatic. Yes Y84 "included" those other RPO codes, but they had to be manually checked off on an Order Sheet. 88+ automatically triggered the computer to select the other RPO codes.

In 87 GTA (Y84) was an option for TAs. 88+ GTA was a separate model line.
"For 1987, the GTA was an option on the regular Trans Am, so the numbers are not separated for this year as they are for each succeeding year through 1992"
"For 1988+, the GTA was still technically an option package for Trans Am models, but was marketed as a separate Firebird model for the first time."

 

No, I don't believe I'm missing your point. I was joining the discussion by providing some information regarding the 1987 GTA and how it could be ordered without the options that was asked about. No A/C, no power windows, etc. I didn't necessarily disagree or agree with your prior comments.

I've not seen an official statement claiming that this was simply an order error to know if that's the case or speculation/guess, but it's clear that it changed by 1988 and that these 1987 GTAs without the equipment that we've come to associate with the GTA aren't considered common.

Like I said, the Y84 option included the above items I outlined, which comes from Frankie (who I consider to be a GTA expert), while the other options had to be ordered individually or through a package.

 

It is very well know, anyone can check with Frankie if they need to, that in 87 all the options had to be manually checked off on the list when the GTA was merely an option. Vs for 88+ when GTAs were a listed as a separate Firebird model & Y84 was the "cover" RPO that automatically included all the standard GTA equipment codes. And why if you look at the RPO # by year...In 87 the #s includes TAs as well & the 88+ #s are specifically only for the GTAs. 88+ RPOs have the 'A' listing denoting them as included & no number since the # for Y84 covers all those marked with the 'A' letter.

I have a 87 GTA with no SPID so I had to do some research to verify mine was truly a GTA & learned all that in the process of doing so.

And yes.....Frankie is the GTA Expert, no question about that.

 

I am 99% sure that "Stormshadow GTA"s 87 GTA didn't have power windows. As I recall it was a base of a GTA as you could get, cloth seats, no power options, no A/C.

 

While I was editing my prior post, while you was likely starting to respond to the old version, to clarify the point my comment that you just now quoted, the messages are still basically the same.

I did not contest, not before nor now, that the 1987 GTA had included certain options and everything else had to be ordered individually or as a package.

However, I do question your statement claiming that a 1987 GTA without certain options was a "salesman error & paperwork not filled out correctly", as you state, because I've not seen that conclusion by Lou or Frankie.

For reference, the material linked below is the references that I use on this subject.

Frankie's post:
http://www.gtasourcepage.com/forum/s...3&postcount=11

You'll note the above material is what I use as a source. It states that Y84 included the above referenced items, while everything else was through a package or separate option. And if you didn't go on to add packages or options? Apparently you got a stripped GTA.

 

I have pics stored somewhere of a russet brown GTA with crank windows. I'll post them later if I find them.

 

I'm not trying to argue or anything. Just that what you said is basically what I was saying (i know i have a difficult time putting my thoughts into words sometimes). If the 88+ GTA "standard" options were not manually selected when the vehicle was ordered in 87, either by a Salesman for a Customer or by the Dealerships purchasing person for inventory, then missing GTA "standard equipment" was a clerical error for not checking the boxes. Yes, I suppose a customer could have said "No, I don't want that extra stuff." but as Frankie said in your linked to post by him: "Why one would be ordered that way is beyond me..." GTAs were intended to have all that standard stuff, but was "rushed" into production to be available for 87 so the paperwork preparation lagged behind.

 

In 87 the power options weren't "standard", so it wasn't an error if they didn't check them off...

 

I joined the discussion to add comments on a subject that I have some familiarity about as someone who sometimes joins these types of research discussions to help. Why is this an issue?! Regardless, I think it's best that this issue end.

Since the paperwork didn't exactly stop at the salesman or dealership level, I further question if it really was an order error.

We do have a member on here who has a (Canadian) 1987 GTA without A/C, but I can't recall the members name. Besides that, you'll occasionally see a 1987 GTA without certain options but they don't appear to be all that common.

 

I already said, a few times now, that in 87 they weren't standard & had to be checked off manually.

Can't believe that I now have TWO people who are hard of reading. They keep trying re-word what I already said & contradict what I KNOW, as a 87 GTA owner that I already had to learn years ago.

But your right JT...I'm done with this. I've already stated the same times several times & I don't think I can restate it any clearer. 87 GTAs were not as fully optioned STANDARD as the 88+ GTAs.

Unsubscribing now to avoid any more headache over restating the same thing again.

 

In all honesty, I think you may have interpreted the posts in this thread incorrectly. You appear to have the idea that I was arguing with you about GTA options despite I initially didn't even address/quote you directly. I simply joined the discussion to provide some facts on the subject that I have some knowledge about through sources like Frankie.

My only issue with your statements has been that you've stated there was some "dealer error" or "salesman error" for a 1987 GTA to come without power windows. I just don't know if that's necessarily true or not. You might be correct that it was an "error", especially given that this changed in 1988+. However, everything else you're picking a fight when there wasn't one.

If someone offers the same information as you previously posted, consider that it could mean they agree with you or that they may not have read every single post.