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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 01:40 PM
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A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

I Always Had The Understanding That A/C Was Never Standard Equipment On Any Third Gen,It Either Had To Be Ordered Indivdually Or In A P.E.G. (Preferred Equipment Group). Well I Just Proved Myself Wrong,I Was Looking Though My Third Gen Camaro Brochures And It Did Indeed Come As Standard Equipment,For One Year And One Model Only ,The 1987 Camaro LT,This Was The One And Only Year Of Production For The LT.

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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 01:52 PM
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I wouldn't call that standard equipment. It came with the LT option package.

Standard, to me, implies EVERY SINGLE CAR gets AC, regardless of sub-model.
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

This is similar to the carpeted interior panels for the Berlinettas & LT; If you bought a Berlinetta or LT, you got carpeted interior panels because that type of interior panel was STANDARD equipment for those car. You could not buy those cars any other way.

The Coupes' "standard" engine was a V6,...... No one will argue that they all got a v6. The 82-87 Z28 had an LG4 V8 as a "standard" engine, doesn't mean they all got that engine. If you bought an 87 LT then you got AC, Since you could NOT BUY an LT without Air Conditioning it was - quite obviously - standard equippment.


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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 03:35 PM
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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I could buy a standard coupe without AC, therefore it is quite obviously NOT standard equipment.
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 04:33 PM
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

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I could buy a standard coupe without AC, therefore it is quite obviously NOT standard equipment.

Correct, Your describing a Coupe...... GT4373 is describing an LT.



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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 09:28 PM
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Correct, Your describing a Coupe...... GT4373 is describing an LT.
No, we're both describing Camaros. Forget it.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:10 AM
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

"Standard" equipment is not based on an entire model lineup. It is based on submodels. The LT having AC "standard" is just that. It was not standard on all Camaros any more than ground effects were standard on all Camaros in 1982-1987. For the entire model line, the ground effects became standard in 1988. All Camaros, as a model lineup, came standard with carpeting, but certain submodels came standard with additional carpeting as part of its package. You also can't say that the Camaros standard base engine was a V6 in 1988. It was the Camaro Sport Coupes base engine, but the Z28 had a V8 as "standard".

As you can see, the "standard" is submodel specific. Since the LT was a one-year only package, it get's overlooked when generalizations are made about "standard" options. On that same note, the Berlinetta came "standard" with the custom cloth reclining seats. No other sub model received that as standard in 1986.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

AC was also Standard on all GTA's it was also standard equipment on all Firebirds in 1990-1992 for example, with the exception of the base Firebird with a V6 where it was standard not to have A/C as an option.

I dug deeper back, A/C was apparently a Firebird option on all Firebirds from 1982 - 1987, (apparently even optional on the GTA)
in 1988 A/C was standard on the GTA
In 1989 thru 1992 A/C was standard on all Formulas, T/A's and GTA's
Only the base firebird was it "available" and that was if you got the V6

Of course you could delete A/C as well but only under certain circumstances IE the 1LE cars..
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
"Standard" equipment is not based on an entire model lineup. It is based on submodels. The LT having AC "standard" is just that. It was not standard on all Camaros any more than ground effects were standard on all Camaros in 1982-1987. For the entire model line, the ground effects became standard in 1988. All Camaros, as a model lineup, came standard with carpeting, but certain submodels came standard with additional carpeting as part of its package. You also can't say that the Camaros standard base engine was a V6 in 1988. It was the Camaro Sport Coupes base engine, but the Z28 had a V8 as "standard". As you can see, the "standard" is submodel specific. Since the LT was a one-year only package, it get's overlooked when generalizations are made about "standard" options. On that same note, the Berlinetta came "standard" with the custom cloth reclining seats. No other sub model received that as standard in 1986.
I feel that's your opinion. Is AC standard on the Camaro. No. Case closed. That's how it's viewed IMO. I could not walk into a Chevy dealer and buy a Camaro and it have air standard. I'd have to upgrade to the LT package. If I wanted a standard V8, I'd have to upgrade to a Z28, but by definition of standard (included in all vehicles) I should be able to get one without upgrading anything, including to a higher sub-model.

Look at it how you like.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 10:59 AM
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

It appears that we're all saying the same thing, only with a few twisted words. There are different "standards". There were Camaro model "standards" and there were submodel "standards" They are different. If someone asks if AC was standard on the Camaro, the answer should be no. If someone asks if AC was standard on any Camaro, then the answer is yes.

Using the entire model to list a standard is too vague. You can probably get away with saying that it was standard on all Camaros to have four tires, carpeted interior, headlights, seats, an engine and manual transmission. But to say that all Camaro models came standard with 245/60-15 tires, custom carpeted interior, halogen headlights, V8 engines, etc would be incorrect. That's why it needs to be submodel and even option specific.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:10 AM
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Re: A/C A COMPLETE SHOCK TO ME

Well even though the 1987 LT (R.P.O. B4E) came equiped with A/C, and the custom interior option from the factory, glad mine came with the optional gauge package.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scottmoyer
It appears that we're all saying the same thing, only with a few twisted words. There are different "standards". There were Camaro model "standards" and there were submodel "standards" They are different. If someone asks if AC was standard on the Camaro, the answer should be no. If someone asks if AC was standard on any Camaro, then the answer is yes. Using the entire model to list a standard is too vague. You can probably get away with saying that it was standard on all Camaros to have four tires, carpeted interior, headlights, seats, an engine and manual transmission. But to say that all Camaro models came standard with 245/60-15 tires, custom carpeted interior, halogen headlights, V8 engines, etc would be incorrect. That's why it needs to be submodel and even option specific.
I can agree with that...
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