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Really?? $60k for a 1000 mile 92 1LE? Good luck with that.
Yes I admit... this is a VERY rare car with the Heritage package and the 1LE. But $60k? We are probably 20 years away (at least) from that price being reasonable. If ever.
1992 Camaro Z28 1LE, only 998 original miles, currently in owners private collection, only 116 Z28 1LE's were built in 1992, The best of the third gen Camaros, less than 10 built with the 25th ann. package and possibly the only one ordered option delete, These cars were built for the Camaro to qualify for SCCA show room racing and very few were ordered. This car has never been dealer prepped all plastic still on the floor and door panels, smells new, all original and tons of paperwork, only $59900 investment quality, call B&J Auto at 828-413-2366
Really?? $60k for a 1000 mile 92 1LE? Good luck with that.
Yes I admit... this is a VERY rare car with the Heritage package and the 1LE. But $60k? We are probably 20 years away (at least) from that price being reasonable. If ever.
Amazing. TGO is the only car enthusiast website (I know of) where people use the public forum in an attempt to lower the value of their own vehicles.
Amazing. TGO is the only car enthusiast website (I know of) where people use the public forum in an attempt to lower the value of their own vehicles.
We just like to keep things realistic. With the production numbers of the thirdgen and their general availability a sky-high value only makes it that much harder for enthusiasts to acquire/build/collect them.
With a few exceptions (the car above being one) I am glad that on any given day, with 2-3k, I can buy a solid, well optioned, running thirdgen. It makes it that much easier to drive and enjoy my car, because I know it can be replaced (not that I would ever want to do that but still).
60k is a dreamer's price. I'd call that a 25k car.
We just like to keep things realistic. With the production numbers of the thirdgen and their general availability a sky-high value only makes it that much harder for enthusiasts to acquire/build/collect them.
With a few exceptions (the car above being one) I am glad that on any given day, with 2-3k, I can buy a solid, well optioned, running thirdgen. It makes it that much easier to drive and enjoy my car, because I know it can be replaced (not that I would ever want to do that but still).
60k is a dreamer's price. I'd call that a 25k car.
Agreed. I have Corvairs for the same reason I have a thirdgen. Good cheap classic car fun.
Amazing. TGO is the only car enthusiast website (I know of) where people use the public forum in an attempt to lower the value of their own vehicles.
It's NOT the ONLY one and to be honest I see some form of it on just about every site I go to. The most common case is where guys will point out everything wrong with a particular car just to show others how much they know. Price is always a hot topic as cars climb from the average Joe's budget into the range of collectors.
We all hate high prices when we buy, but we don't mind them when we sell!
The seller can ask whatever he wants and the extremely low mile cars are getting big numbers. I've seen some 3rd gens sell in the mid to upper 30's. I don't understand why so many want to discredit the value of them and say that there were so many built. No there weren't! The 90-92 cars had a lower annual production than the earlier cars. This car, being a "revered" 1LE and Heritage Edition makes it especially limited. But, that doesn't matter. The value is not in the limited quantity as much as it's in the value of what people want and how many are left available in pristine condition.
It's obvious that the car dealers know how to market cars since that's their business and they'd be broke if they were always wrong. The value will increase when the masses start asking more for these cars. The Grand Nationals are going thru the roof price wise because the sellers are asking high prices. Is a Grand National any more special than a fully loaded Z28 or IROC-Z?
I hope this guy gets his asking price. He probably won't, but he has a starting point to work down from.
I am not trying to discredit the value of our cars. I mentioned that this car is extremely rare, with the 1LE and Z03. Like the seller stated, probably a couple dozen at most.
I was just making more of a "comparison" with what other low mile 1LEs have been selling for. The most I have seen is $35k. The Heritage option is nice, but it was nothing more then a $400(?) appearance package
I would love it if this, or another 3rd Gen sold for $50-60k. It would help the value for the owners of 3rd Gens. I have no plans on selling mine, and most of us have not bought our cars for the "investment" value. We enjoy the cars for what they are.
The seller can ask whatever he wants and the extremely low mile cars are getting big numbers. I've seen some 3rd gens sell in the mid to upper 30's. I don't understand why so many want to discredit the value of them and say that there were so many built. No there weren't! The 90-92 cars had a lower annual production than the earlier cars. This car, being a "revered" 1LE and Heritage Edition makes it especially limited. But, that doesn't matter. The value is not in the limited quantity as much as it's in the value of what people want and how many are left available in pristine condition.
It's obvious that the car dealers know how to market cars since that's their business and they'd be broke if they were always wrong. The value will increase when the masses start asking more for these cars. The Grand Nationals are going thru the roof price wise because the sellers are asking high prices. Is a Grand National any more special than a fully loaded Z28 or IROC-Z?
I hope this guy gets his asking price. He probably won't, but he has a starting point to work down from.
Scott,
To tie this into the the other thread you started about Third Gen value. I will say that every other car you mentioned is worth the asking price, for the right buyer. All of the cars are priced between ~$30k and ~$40k. That IS where the values are now. $60k is out of the ballpark. Like you said, this is a starting point for the seller. And I hope he gets it too.
Yeah, $60k is definitely alot of dough... however it is an awesome car! It's definitely valuable, whether $60k is the right price or not the market will decide. If it's not now, I think it will be at some point in the future.
Last year of thirdgen production, low low miles, performance package coupled with the anniversary option... It's a rare car, one of only a handful with those options and it was saved. Until a few years ago, I didnt know that you could get a 1LE + Z03 and many that I have talked with didn't know as well. To me, all the stars align, that's why I bought mine.
But the Grand National was a grandma car that they painted black and added a turbo to the V6. The Camaro/Firebird had more people desiring them in the 80's, than the GN/Monte Carlo/442 fans. I'm not saying that I wouldn't love to have one of each, but the desirability of the fbody over the gbody 30 years ago, should translate into similar desirability today. The Gbody cars were not any more expensive than the fbodies, so it was all personal choice. The fact that the gbody is garnering higher prices says something about the buyers and the sellers.
It seems to me that the current market for collector cars as a whole is driven by the baby boomer generation. Mostly 60 somethings who have expendable cash have been driving prices up for the past 10-15 or so years. What happens when they stop buying, passing away and start selling in droves? I just don't see the gen X and Y people caring as much about collector cars as much. At least I believe that's true in my demographic. I'm 40 and barely know anybody my age anymore that can change a tire let alone care about or for a classic car. If he can get 60k for the 1LE that's great. But I'm not buying that in 20 years it will be worth more. We'll see I guess.
But the Grand National was a grandma car that they painted black and added a turbo to the V6. The Camaro/Firebird had more people desiring them in the 80's, than the GN/Monte Carlo/442 fans. I'm not saying that I wouldn't love to have one of each, but the desirability of the fbody over the gbody 30 years ago, should translate into similar desirability today. The Gbody cars were not any more expensive than the fbodies, so it was all personal choice. The fact that the gbody is garnering higher prices says something about the buyers and the sellers.
The Grand National was a grandma car, a SLEEPER, that's why the prices are what they are. it ran 13's stock vs a car that was branded as a performer (L98 IROC or similar Z) that made passes in the 14's stock.
Saying that desireability should transfer across 30 years is a bold claim, people change, desires change. I think the easiest example is seen looking at 1st gens. People bought them, sold them, and 30 yrs later decided "man, I really want one again.." Due to limited productions, and the vast majority that were left to rot, people were/are able to demand a premium for them.
The thirdgen has a LONG way to go before that happens. Just take a look at this board, a lot of you guys grew up driving one in HS or wanting one, etc. add 10-15 years and you are able to get one for dirt cheap because 100's of thousands of them were made and are still everywhere.
Until something in that last equation changes, IMHO, prices aren't going to change much more.
and to bring it back on topic----that's why 60k is ludicrous.
The Grand National was a grandma car, a SLEEPER, that's why the prices are what they are. it ran 13's stock vs a car that was branded as a performer (L98 IROC or similar Z) that made passes in the 14's stock.
Saying that desireability should transfer across 30 years is a bold claim, people change, desires change. I think the easiest example is seen looking at 1st gens. People bought them, sold them, and 30 yrs later decided "man, I really want one again.." Due to limited productions, and the vast majority that were left to rot, people were/are able to demand a premium for them.
The thirdgen has a LONG way to go before that happens. Just take a look at this board, a lot of you guys grew up driving one in HS or wanting one, etc. add 10-15 years and you are able to get one for dirt cheap because 100's of thousands of them were made and are still everywhere.
Until something in that last equation changes, IMHO, prices aren't going to change much more.
and to bring it back on topic----that's why 60k is ludicrous.
Your argument only fails in 1 respect - this car was not produced by the 100's of thousands.
Why do the 69 TA convertibles sell for 1 mil+? Because there were 8 of them. Why do the 71 Hemi Cuda Convertibles sell for 2-3 mil+ because they only built 11 of them. Price is commensurate with production, miles & options. This car is & will be the top dog of the 3rd gens, no doubt about it.
It seems to me that the current market for collector cars as a whole is driven by the baby boomer generation. Mostly 60 somethings who have expendable cash have been driving prices up for the past 10-15 or so years. What happens when they stop buying, passing away and start selling in droves? I just don't see the gen X and Y people caring as much about collector cars as much. At least I believe that's true in my demographic. I'm 40 and barely know anybody my age anymore that can change a tire let alone care about or for a classic car. If he can get 60k for the 1LE that's great. But I'm not buying that in 20 years it will be worth more. We'll see I guess.
I think you raise a very good point. With a few exceptions (1993-98 Toyota Supra; 1986-87 Grand National; 1988-91 M3; Integra Type-R) no car from the 1980s or 1990s is bringing in spectacular sales prices. You can get most cool cars from this era with low miles for less than 15k. Usually way, way less.
This will not bode well for 1960s muscle cars once the Boomers die off, and I totally see a price crash happening in that market in about 10 years. They won't become undesirable, but their prices will fall into what Gen X and Gen Y collectors see as reasonable for a specialty car -- about 10-15k in today's money! Maybe 20-25k for your ultra desirables like the Hemi and Boss 302.
As to this car, I see this as a crack pipe price, sorry. Once the cat got out of the bag on the 1LE package with that c 1989-90 magazine article, many people who bought these salted them away, thinking they had their kid's college fund all wrapped up in a tarp in the garage. There are so many, I bet I could get a 1LE Third Gen with less than 30k on the clock for less than 15k if I was patient.
And even entertaining the idea that this might be reasonable, why would I pay 60k for 1,000 miles when I can get 2,200 miles for 39k or best offer?
I never said it was reasonable. I just said that the seller can ask whatever he wants. If someone pays that price, then that buyer thinks the price is reasonable. I think it's a high price, but I'm going to reiterate what I said before. If the collector dealers start advertising these cars for outrageous prices, then the masses will think they are worth that. It's been said here many times that we should start advertising our nice cars online for ridiculous prices so word gets out that they aren't "trailer" park cars anymore. That's what the Buick GN guys do and it's helped the value of their cars to remain high.
I think 60k may be high, but I also do kinda feel like TGO is the only group who is not seeing that these cars ARE appreciating. I remember 10 years ago talking about how it was gonna happen soon, and now....its happening! Check craigslist. A decent, clean, non ragged but high mile thirdgen is getting the same money as a 10 year newer 4th gen. I think the only real place the 4th gen still outprices us would be a well optioned low mile car, and that has a lot to do with banks still willing to lend money on. .....and a ridiculous low mile car like scotts, vs a 4th gen of the same mileage....were getting more money for ours.
While my car isnt in the same league as scotts, its still pretty darn clean, and it appears pretty darn stock. I easily get more attention at shows than your average 1st gen. Why? ....because now, my car is....wait for it.....more RARE than a first gen!!! ....at least on the hobby/hot rod/show scene. The stigma around our cars is going away. Production numbers were high, but existing examples in good condition are few and far between. We can debate specific numbers, like this car the op put up. Sure, maybe its high, but by how much? So maybe you do get that 2000 mile car for 30k. ....now theres one less 1LE for sale. ....and up goes the price. Economics is a living breathing thing. Ya cant stop it. ....it forges ahead like it or not!!!!
I never said it was reasonable. I just said that the seller can ask whatever he wants. If someone pays that price, then that buyer thinks the price is reasonable. I think it's a high price, but I'm going to reiterate what I said before. If the collector dealers start advertising these cars for outrageous prices, then the masses will think they are worth that. It's been said here many times that we should start advertising our nice cars online for ridiculous prices so word gets out that they aren't "trailer" park cars anymore. That's what the Buick GN guys do and it's helped the value of their cars to remain high.
I absolutely agree with you on this. Our cars do have a stigma that goes with them. People relate them to what they see in the movies and the people that drove them in the 80s and 90s. Most of the ones that you see on the roads today, are run down and beat up. That is what people associate our cars with.
I guess that's true and it would be great to see such comradery. But most folks that need to sell a car need to sell a car. So they'll take the most they can get.
Gen X and Y collectors are, on the whole, very shrewd. I recently sold a very rare 1996 Volvo 850R wagon and you'd think $100 bucks was like $10,000 bucks! I had at least 1 buyer walk over a $200 difference (on a $5,000 car).
I know, F bodies are different. Still, the idea that post-Boomers are going start throwing 50k at old cars like their wealthier parents did seems completely incomprehensible to me, for several reasons. But, again, hope I'm wrong!
Our cars do have a stigma that goes with them. People relate them to what they see in the movies and the people that drove them in the 80s and 90s. Most of the ones that you see on the roads today, are run down and beat up. That is what people associate our cars with.
I don't know if I completely agree with that. First of all, I don't know everyone's age, but I'm 39. Anyhow, I was a teenager through the 80s and early 90s. I saw an Iroc or Trans AM go from Cool to NOT COOL! The stigma was very negative. Now....that stigma is more comical. I mean people still joke about the I.R.O.C. acronyms, but they laugh, and then typically have no shortage of smiles and good memories about how they used to have one, and how awesome it is to see a nice one!
....and how often do you see one on the road!?!?!? I see 10 times as many beat to crap 4th gens than I see ANY kind of Thirdgen. I would say the 4th gen has a worse stigma to the average NON car guy at this point.
...to keep it on topic, the point is that very much like the nerdy kit in HS, we've all grown up. No one cares if you were a cool kid or not anymore. The car has value or it doesn't. We're so used to that negative stigma that we kinda wear it as a badge of honor, but we forget that for the most part it's gone away. Collectors are starting to see that too I think, hence these prices.
All this talk of "asking higher prices to make people think they're worth more and not trailer trash" makes me think of the scene from the first transformers, with Bernie Mac playing a shady car dealer.
"slick wheels, custom paint job, I couldn't let it go for less than 5k"
"but the paints faded?!"
"still custom."
If you have to rely on prices that you know are purposefully marked up...then you aren't really raising the value, and that's rather dishonest.
It's been said all over, "I still see ragged out thirdgens on the road, etc". Once those ragged out rides are gone, then prices will be where I suppose ya'll think they should be. When you can't buy the worst examples anymore, the good, better, and perfect examples will consistently be worth more, and rightly so. By my math the thirdgen still has another 10-15 years to go before we're there.
add 10-15 years and you are able to get one for dirt cheap because 100's of thousands of them were made and are still everywhere.
How many SS Chevelles were made? How many SS Montes were made? There's a huge list of just GM cars that have way high production numbers and they still are plenty, but they go for well over 20k consistently.
How many SS Chevelles were made? How many SS Montes were made? There's a huge list of just GM cars that have way high production numbers and they still are plenty, but they go for well over 20k consistently.
Assuming you're talking about 68-72 the answer is not that many. I believe 1970 was the highest production year (just over 50,000 SS's) but the total for that range is still shy of 100,000. Doesn't seem like plenty, that's just the chevelle's.
It's easy to think that there are many many more than there actually are though because everybody and their brother throws SS badges on every flavor of chevelle/malibu out there.
Kinda like how everyone puts Z28 or IROC stickers on any thirdgen camaro
[If you have to rely on prices that you know are purposefully marked up...then you aren't really raising the value, and that's rather dishonest.
First of all, I hate to tell ya, but if you can buy it, it's purposely marked up. That's how it works. ...second, how is it dishonest? If I see a car just like mine sell for 10k, then I'm gonna mark mine up to 13k to see if I can get a little more. ...and if the buyers continue to pay, the price will continue to grow. That is 100% exactly what we're seeing. I mean we can take any single car and dissect it over and over to see if "we" really think it's worth the asking price, and some will be under, some over, and some will be priced just right. But overall, it's undeniable that prices are going up. So with that, you're gonna see "some" prices extra high to see if the market will support it. It's economics. I wanna tell you that you're entitled to your opinion that these cars are still readily seen everday all beat up, that they have a negative stigma, and the the prices are too high, but I gotta tell ya, I think the buys, the sellers, the drivers, and the collectors seem to think otherwise. To be fair, I think 60k for that 1LE is high, but again it's just a seller hoping to capitalize on a growing market segment. I don't think he'll get it, but it's certainly worth a lot more than it was just a few years ago.
I understand the economics of making a profit. What I was getting at is that if someone has a 20k car and they market it as a 35k car and it sells then it doesn't make it a 35k car, it just makes the seller a shady guy.
You can't force a high value on something, you gotta have the patience to let it get there itself.
You can't force a high value on something, you gotta have the patience to let it get there itself.
I understand what you're saying. But the BUYER is never gonna offer to pay MORE than asking price. (although I have a great story where he actually DID, but that's another story). ...point is the seller is always gonna try to push the value higher. That's how,as you said, it "gets there by itself"
You don't understand economics. If someone has a car and lists it for $35k and it sells for $35k, then his thought that he had a $20k car was wrong and it was worth $35k. The car is worth what the market will pay. That's it! Like Chris said, if someone sells a similar car for $10k, I'd list mine for $13k to see if it sells. I can always lower my price, but it's not easy to raise a listed price.
Let's put it in different terms. Is Starbucks coffee really worth $4.50 when you can get the same cup at Dunkin' Donuts for $2? They are asking $4 because people are paying it. If they increase their price and people stop buying the product, they can lower it back down to what the market is willing to pay. It's pretty simple really. Now, I don't think their coffee is worth that price, but it's obvious that others do.
You don't understand economics. If someone has a car and lists it for $35k and it sells for $35k, then his thought that he had a $20k car was wrong and it was worth $35k. The car is worth what the market will pay. That's it! Like Chris said, if someone sells a similar car for $10k, I'd list mine for $13k to see if it sells. I can always lower my price, but it's not easy to raise a listed price.
Let's put it in different terms. Is Starbucks coffee really worth $4.50 when you can get the same cup at Dunkin' Donuts for $2? They are asking $4 because people are paying it. If they increase their price and people stop buying the product, they can lower it back down to what the market is willing to pay. It's pretty simple really. Now, I don't think their coffee is worth that price, but it's obvious that others do.
Look, we clearly disagree and aren't going to change each other's minds. Eventually these cars will be worth what you currently think they are. It just hasn't happened yet.
Starbucks and Dunkin are both overpriced. But I won't go into a discussion on bean roasting brewing methods on here.
Anyhow, if you want to think that these cars(IROC's, Z's, etc) are worth 40k in low-mile unmolested condition you are welcome to do so.
His price is very optimistic, the deals are still out there too.
This is the time to scoop up those deals and tuck them away when you find them..
There's a clean '86 IROC for sale in Taylorsville, KY. Single owner (lady), garage kept, 60,000 miles. idk if it's online or not though, I think she wants 9 for it. It might pop up on craigslist soon.
There's a clean '86 IROC for sale in Taylorsville, KY. Single owner (lady), garage kept, 60,000 miles. idk if it's online or not though, I think she wants 9 for it. It might pop up on craigslist soon.
Oh to have an extra 10 grand laying around lol.
That would be one 99% of people would feel ok about buying.10k is one thing 25k is another. For the life of me I can not understand all the hype of the 1LE. Better brakes..no air conditioning...That didn't make it some kind of high performance car I assure you. Damn that I wouldn have payed extra for no a/c I like it too much in 100 degree weather. A nice low mileage 3rd gen in the 8-10k range is reasonable and not hard to find.
Do some research on the 1LE here on TGO and you'll find many posts by Drew trying to get others to understand that the 1LE is just a brake package with no AC. I agree that it's cool to have a special brake option, but it shouldn't be so highly coveted like the COPO 427s. There was no performance enhancements other than braking. To me, I'd rather have the 1992 350 1LE/B4C. That car has the better brakes, AC and it the engine was put into a car that wasn't supposed to have it, the RS. So in my mind, the factory installed 350 in an RS is more collectible than just the 1LE.
Do some research on the 1LE here on TGO and you'll find many posts by Drew trying to get others to understand that the 1LE is just a brake package with no AC. I agree that it's cool to have a special brake option, but it shouldn't be so highly coveted like the COPO 427s. There was no performance enhancements other than braking. To me, I'd rather have the 1992 350 1LE/B4C. That car has the better brakes, AC and it the engine was put into a car that wasn't supposed to have it, the RS. So in my mind, the factory installed 350 in an RS is more collectible than just the 1LE.
I've seen one of those, I think it was on here. an interesting car indeed.
Do some research on the 1LE here on TGO and you'll find many posts by Drew trying to get others to understand that the 1LE is just a brake package with no AC. I agree that it's cool to have a special brake option, but it shouldn't be so highly coveted like the COPO 427s. There was no performance enhancements other than braking. To me, I'd rather have the 1992 350 1LE/B4C. That car has the better brakes, AC and it the engine was put into a car that wasn't supposed to have it, the RS. So in my mind, the factory installed 350 in an RS is more collectible than just the 1LE.
The 1LE is not just brakes, and a 92 1LE/B4C 5.7 RS is easily found, they built over 500 of them. Why haven't you picked one up yet?
Yes, the 1LE is just brakes with no AC or fog lights starting in '89. The aluminum driveshaft was on many 3rd gens and the so-called baffled fuel tank was also on many 3rd gens. The only thing specific to the 1LE is the brakes.
And the 1LE spare tire. (even tho I have found it in non 1LE cars also)
There is something else different with them, I can't put my finger on it but when you drive one you know it.
I have put factory 1LE brakes on WS6 cars and it feels just like any other car, not sure what's really going on and why its like that.
It may be "just brakes", but why do we (most of us) hate " xxxx CLONE" cars? They're the same as a "TRUE xxxx" cars, right? No different? ....ahhhh, but there "is" a difference. It just isn't real. I mean it's real, but...it's not. ....and a 1LE is just that. It's got that that 3 digit code. ....so yeah...to a race car/performance guy, no, it's no biggie, but to a collector....it's a whole 'nother ball game. Like a misprinted baseball card. LOL.
Yes, the 1LE is just brakes with no AC or fog lights starting in '89. The aluminum driveshaft was on many 3rd gens and the so-called baffled fuel tank was also on many 3rd gens. The only thing specific to the 1LE is the brakes.
I've said it before Scott & I'll say it again - your post count, moderator label & authoritative posting style may lead people to believe that everything you write is true, when in actuality, it is not. This is one of those cases....
Before pronouncing it's "just brakes" you may want to browse through the GM parts catalog as there are more parts than just the front brakes that are 1LE specific. Outside of the brakes, the aluminum drive shaft, spare tire and the fuel tank, the transmissions had different valving & gear sets with the 5spd getting a lower ratio overdrive - a true 5th gear! There were larger front spindles specifically adapted for the Caprice rotors with larger wheel bearings, the Corvette calipers and a specific proportioning valve. The special swinging fuel tank pickup & sock was specific to the 1LE cars although the baffled tank was later used on all late production cars. The lower control arms were specific to the 1LE as were the specially valved shock absorbers and bump stops (jounce bumpers). I know there are more - specific fastners, hoses, lines, bushings & mounts, but I think you get the point.
To say the 1LE option was "just brakes" is not only misguide but flat out wrong. It was a specific grouping of parts that were added to the cars, and a careful number of parts removed, that resulted in a truly winning combination. Although some of those parts may also be found hit or miss on overweight models in order to meet CAFE standards ALL of them were on the 1LE cars.
Now tell us, why haven't you picked up that 1992 B4C? They built 589 of them that year with the 1LE brakes!
The special swinging fuel tank pickup & sock was specific to the 1LE cars there is no such part, just a double sided pickup sock, same as normal tanks w baffles
although the baffled tank was later used on all late production cars. The lower control arms were specific to the 1LE they are the same as WS6 level suspension as were the specially valved shock absorbers same codes as WS6 level stuff, springs too and bump stops (jounce bumpers).
(atleast the 1LEs I've seen in person vs a WS6 car.
Well if you want to get into semantics, I guess you're entitled. Ok, the larger brakes did require a few components to support them, like the spindles, bushings, etc. But, it was still just the brakes. The spindles and bushings don't provide any real upgrades. The spare tire? Really? Because it's aluminum? I have one in my '87 that came standard on my car. The drive shaft? Not specific to the 1LE. It was used on other 3rd gens. The baffled fuel tank was mentioned by TTOP350. Nothing on the 1LE improves it's performance over any other IROC-Z or Z28, except for the brakes. Show me a 1LE putting down faster 1/4 mile times or dropping higher hp/torque ratings. Saying a 1LE is a super car from the '80s is an incorrect statement. It has an RPO code that most cars don't. So based on that theory, the '85 California IROC-Z is a super car because it has 1C5 and no other car has it.
And if you really need to know... i don't have a B4C/1LE because I haven't looked for one. I already have a car that I don't have time to enjoy.
Lastly, my moderator status and post count have nothing to do if I'm right or wrong. You're looking for little things to prove me wrong. I said the brakes make a 1LE and you say that I'm wrong because there was a different proportioning valve (brakes related), the front spindles designed to support the Caprice calipers (brakes related), wheel bearings (also tied to the brake requirement) and fasteners, hoses and lines (also brakes related) back up my statement. It's already been shown that other non 1LE cars have the same fuel tank, spare tire and driveshaft, so they aren't 1LE specific.
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I think I've told this story before, but it's worth re-telling.
This car was an RS with a B4C/1LE. Unless you noticed the PBR calipers through the wheel spokes or the sound of the dual cat L98, you'd think it was a garden variety RS.
So my friend takes it to the drag strip for the first time. As he goes to the starting line, a bunch of 4th gen guys were pointing and laughing, expecting a 17 second time. First run - 13.7 seconds. The 4th gen guys stopped laughing.
I wasn't aware they had any real performance enhancement other than brakes. I wonder what made a half second difference in most stock L98 cars ive saw run the 1/4? Maybe they took some weight off it or did it have some SLP parts I wonder? Every now and then you do come across a "Factory Freak" though. I had a guy tell me he saw an LB9 5spd turn 13.99.. I never saw one do better than 14.5s and honestly I don't think I ever saw an stock L98 car get out of 14s. I know some have though, some cars are just faster and surprise us ever now and then.
06-14-2015, 08:42 PM
I've seen one of those, I think it was on here. an interesting car indeed. 
