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Heatercore leak or something spill down the dash vent?
Airbag cover has issues also.
I don't think those are the correct heater hose clamps on the metal elbow from the t-body rubber hose to the heater core hose. Someone have any info? Thought they went to the spring clamps or were they still tower clamps or are these correct???
Well, if they haven't sent it off to Scottsdale yet, I can swing by the showroom to look at it in person for any interested parties... assuming they'll let me near this six-figure thirdgen
The pictures do reveal a minor imperfection on the airbag cover, and that's the reality of aging materials. At some point, the low mile creampuff thirdgen succumbs to time. No amount of waxing and climate controlled garaging can prevent it. The plastics used in 1990 weren't engineered with a 35 year life cycle in mind.
Few questions:
1. Isn't this the same car that sold at Barrett Jackson for about $54k with fewer miles and plastic covers still on the seats?
2. The driver's side carpet appears to show a leak coming from the console... is that what a bad heater core leak looks like? Just want to know for my own edification.
204 Miles? Those Pedal Pads Look Awfully Worn For A 204 Mile Car,Also What In Hell Happened To The Driver's Side Floorboard It Looks Filthy.
Maybe it's just me but I generally can't take my cars for cruise nights or anywhere else without the car being generally clean and vacuumed out... much less take a picture of it and post it for sale looking like that...
It would take less than 5 minutes to wipe it down and you'd think they would for a posting of what is one of the highest asking prices of any third gen in the world lol....
Maybe it's just me but I generally can't take my cars for cruise nights or anywhere else without the car being generally clean and vacuumed out... much less take a picture of it and post it for sale looking like that...
It would take less than 5 minutes to wipe it down and you'd think they would for a posting of what is one of the highest asking prices of any third gen in the world lol....
I don't know about that, the clutch pedal looks flat out worn, you can't see the little grips on the bottom half of the pedal anymore, could be filled in with mud, but that'd be a lot of mud
I don't know about that, the clutch pedal looks flat out worn, you can't see the little grips on the bottom half of the pedal anymore, could be filled in with mud, but that'd be a lot of mud
Some car porters just don't care about dirty feet.
So, if I swap in a new cluster with 0 miles, run it around a bit to say 200 or so miles I can ask 129k for it... Great Idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and awesome return on the $500 cluster investment and 20 minutes of my time
So, if I swap in a new cluster with 0 miles, run it around a bit to say 200 or so miles I can ask 129k for it... Great Idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and awesome return on the $500 cluster investment
While its a nice car, They are going to get a rude awakening come auction day. Its worth a good amount of money, but those just silly listing prices.
Any bets/guesses come auction close? I know these auction houses have shill bidders, but I believe they can only bid if there is at least one live bidder & the reserve is not met.
Not sure about BJ, but I believe thats how Mecum does it.
I'm going to bet it might just get into the mid 20's never hitting more than 25K Thats my guess anyway.
Can't wait to see it go across the block!
My DVR records mecum & BJ automatically. While I don't watch every minute of them & sometimes not at all, I should be able to find it once it sells. There was a 1991 1LE that went across Mecum a while back. 4000 miles & it only brought $17000 But, That car probably wasn't as desirable as it didn't have the iroc package & was a 5.7 automatic. so lower miles, iroc, with the 5 speed should make it worth a bunch more. I just don't see it being 10K more. Knowing the selling is asking the moon for this car, I can't believe they will run it at BJ with no reserve. I often wondered if sellers with no reserve have their own shill bidder that will by the car back for them in the event it sells stupid low. Then the seller is out both seller & buyers fee's, but wouldn't loose their butt if the car falls really short of what they feel the car is worth. I'm sure BJ wouldn't care if that happened. They would get paid either way.
The 3rd generation cars are just not going to bring really big money yet. The 2nd generations are just getting there now & there are so many more 3rd gens out there with really low miles & all originally everything. Not so much with the 2nd gen cars. I think most of the low mile original 2nd gens have come out of the woodwork now that the values have shot up. But I have a feeling there are a bunch of low mile 3rd gens just waiting to put their foot in the open market over the next decade. They seems to be popping up more & more.
Last edited by F-body-fan; 12-18-2015 at 09:54 AM.
You can't compare second gen values to potential third gen values. Second gens were slow in comparison to 3rd gens and people want performance and speed. That's why the 3rd gens haven't increased in value as much as 1st gens. The performance and speed numbers are still on the rise, making the second gen cars the lowest performing of them all, except the 70-73 years. Fourth gen cars are still considered used cars, but they still cost plenty when you find a low mile SS.
You can't compare second gen values to potential third gen values. Second gens were slow in comparison to 3rd gens and people want performance and speed. That's why the 3rd gens haven't increased in value as much as 1st gens. The performance and speed numbers are still on the rise, making the second gen cars the lowest performing of them all, except the 70-73 years. Fourth gen cars are still considered used cars, but they still cost plenty when you find a low mile SS.
Are you comparing their value & desirablilty based on how they performed?? You kinda lost me here. While I agree performance might be part of the equation, thats for sure not whats driving the prices.
The late 70's Trans am S/E's are hitting some really big numbers over the last year and unless they are W72 optioned cars, they were pretty anemic performance wise, but still commanding big money. As far as performance goes though, the WS6/W72 optioned Trans ams in 78-79 perform pretty well. I'd have to do some research, but I'll bet they are not far apart from a 5.7 TPI in the quarter mile times.
I think there used to be a website that has all the performance info on cars hp & quarter mile times? Just curious as long as we are talking about it.
I'm not taking desirability into account. I do agree that there are a few cars from the late 70's and early 80s that are desirable because of their look and popularity, but the majority of cars form that era are not on the list of "must haves" by collectors. Definitely, the late 70s and early TAs are commanding money today, but the sister car, isn't. That's probably because of they were more show than go.
The '78 TA was good for about 16 second 1/4 miles.
The '79 TA WS6 would run the 1/4 in about 15.5. 0-60 was about 6.8 seconds.
The problem is though that the top speed was also severely limited to not much over 110.
The 1980 Z28 numbers were very similar depending on the gearing.
I agree, I was thinking about T/A's because that's all I have in 2nd gens. Oddly for how many cars I have owned, I have never owned a 2nd gen Camaro. Never cared much for them. I do like the look of the 79-81 Z28's, but yea, not a performer with that corporate 350 engine in there.
70-74 T/A's seem to be strong. 77-79's as well. 80 & 81's are pretty weak no doubt. Personally, I think the 75 & 76's are the weakest of the decade, they don't look that good & that 455 was probably the weakest 455 Pontiac engine ever built. In fact the 78-79 W72 400 out performs it easily.
My whole point was I think the 3rd generation cars will get their chance to appreciate in value & it seems its starting to happen some already, but can't see the numbers being anywhere near the price seller is asking. Just not sure how well it will do at BJ or mecum. Hi Hope it goes high, that would bode well for the future of our 3rds. Looking forward to finding out come January!
Scott do you have pictures of your 87 posted anywhere? Sounds like we have the same optioned car, with mine being more of a driver condition of course. I believe my 87 was ordered with all options except the bose package.
Last edited by F-body-fan; 12-20-2015 at 06:27 AM.
Reason: punctuation goofs.
Not many collectors are interested in 2nd Gens after 1973 when pollution, MPG regulations and increased insurance rates drove down performance. Outside of Smokey and the Bandit TA's and the 454, 455 SD's and HO's very few sell for more than our 3rd Gens.
When you consider how few late model 2nd Gens are still around, compared to 3rd Gens, in good shape and our prices are higher. You can see clearly the lack of collector interest in them.
This car may sell well or not. At an auction of this size you never know. There are a lot of choices.
Not many collectors are interested in 2nd Gens after 1973 when pollution, MPG regulations and increased insurance rates drove down performance. Outside of Smokey and the Bandit TA's and the 454, 455 SD's and HO's very few sell for more than our 3rd Gens.
70-74 T/A's seem to be strong. 77-79's as well. 80 & 81's are pretty weak no doubt. Personally, I think the 75 & 76's are the weakest of the decade. Don't look that good & the 455 was probably the weakest 455 Pontiac engine ever built. In fact the 78-79 W72 400 out performs it easily.
The '79s especially are skyrocketing. The price of a mint, low miles, W72, WS6 have probably doubled in the past 5 years.
I love my 3rd gens as much as you guys, so please don't take this as a bashing. But I watch the values all the cars I have interest & money invested in & the 2nd gens T/A's have really shot up while nobody has been looking over the past few years. I logged into mecum & did two simple past result searches. I used 1982-1992 Camaro as the search criteria, priced highest to lowest over the past 5 years, first 100 results
Then I did the same search using 1975-1981 Trans am's I left the 70-74's out of the mix because the SD's knock the pricing into the stratosphere. They are in their own league. Many blowing past the 1970 chevelle LS5's & LS6's
You can make your own opinion of this info Im providing & no doubt their are a TON of variables to each sale. But to say that 3rd gens are worth more than 2nd gens is just not true at all. You can't touch a nice one for 10K anymore. They are all in the mid teens & well over 20K This all happened in just the past few years.
Last edited by F-body-fan; 12-19-2015 at 03:13 PM.
cant believe you guys are mentioning the 77-78 trans am pricing and iroc pricing in the same sentence .. the trans am are bringing well over double of what the irocs are bringing ..
And I'm saying that other than those models, the 2nd gen cars prices are not a thermometer to base 3rd gen prices on. It was mentioned that 3rd gen prices aren't increasing much yet because the 2nd gen cars are just getting their now. Save a couple years, the 2nd gens are not in demand by most collectors.
I'm trying to say something similar to the fact that you can't say that a 1993 Mustang Cobra isn't worth much today because the 1976 Mustang Cobra hasn't increased in value yet. There's no comparison between the two generation of cars.
I love my 3rd gens as much as you guys, so please don't take this as a bashing. But I watch the values all the cars I have interest & money invested in & the 2nd gens T/A's have really shot up while nobody has been looking over the past few years. I logged into mecum & did two simple past result searches. I used 1982-1992 Camaro as the search criteria, priced highest to lowest over the past 5 years, first 100 results
Then I did the same search using 1975-1981 Trans am's I left the 70-74's out of the mix because the SD's knock the pricing into the stratosphere. They are in their own league. Many blowing past the 1970 chevelle LS5's & LS6's
You can make your own opinion of this info Im providing & no doubt their are a TON of variables to each sale. But to say that 3rd gens are worth more than 2nd gens is just not true at all. You can't touch a nice one for 10K anymore. They are all in the mid teens & well over 20K This all happened in just the past few years.
Great stats there Carl -
Have you also noticed the creampuff cars have been going up in value lately too? Just a couple years ago nobody wanted an Esprit or a base model, now good examples are high teens, low 20's....same as a low mile 350 IROC.
12-15-2015, 11:52 PM
Always ways around those things if you really think about it.. 
