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BTW, my personal preference is 87-90 Formulas.....
Ugggh... Bumperettes. Sickening.Originally Posted by BizJetTech
Orangebird - No offense taken, you make some good points.BTW, my personal preference is 87-90 Formulas.....
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But the thing about IROCs I really don't get. Not the car, but the appeal of the name. Is a decal actually worth that much to people? Back when these things were being made, I actually liked the name "Z-28" better and was glad to see it return after Chevy lost the IROC name in 1991.
Is the market actually better for a 1990 IROC vs. a 1991 Z-28?
Yes. Because the R stands for Race car! People are all about the stickers. Even applies to Formulas to an extent. Every Firebird with a V8 magically becomes a Formula when the for sale sign goes in the window. Might be why Formulas are partially ignored. When every V8 Firebird is at least a Formula, what difference does it make.Originally Posted by ksr
I've preferred Firebird to Camaros, in most model years. But I like both.But the thing about IROCs I really don't get. Not the car, but the appeal of the name. Is a decal actually worth that much to people? Back when these things were being made, I actually liked the name "Z-28" better and was glad to see it return after Chevy lost the IROC name in 1991.
Is the market actually better for a 1990 IROC vs. a 1991 Z-28?
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True, but if one of those cars were an Iroc it'd sell faster than either Firebird, and for more money.Originally Posted by dagwood
If I was selling two Formulas, 18k miles, 5.7 cars, and 1 had t tops and crosslace wheels, and the other was a hard top with standard formula wheels, I think it is safe to say I'd ask more for the t top car with the crosslace wheels. Quote:
Some of us strongly dislike the white/gold/poop tan interior so much even the 3.8T can't save them. Agree on the 8K price, because it doesn't run. If the seller wants someone to buy the car and the not running doesn't matter, they need to make it run. Just the way it is. 75% of the market that would be interested in a low mileage car are going to walk when it won't even start and run. If I wanted to get my hands dirty I wouldn't be looking at a car with under 20k miles on the odometer.Originally Posted by BIRD91ZRAG
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See below, this was the only way to get 350 + Ttops in 91/92.Originally Posted by BIRD91ZRAG
My understanding was there were not any 5.7 T-Top cars built in 91-92.. I tried to buy a new 91 Z but wanted the 5.7 and T-tops and was told no dice. Quote:
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the 1991-1992 Formula getting the option to have T-Tops and the 350 but you had to get the lightweight PW7 wheels. Quote:
And the bumperettes were better? Wrong. The bumperettes made every 85-90 Firebird look like someone glued training wheels on the bumpers. It completely ruins the lines of the car, even if you squint and pretend it's a throwback to the split Pontiac grills of corporate styling history. The 91-92 Firebird bumpers did away with the squinty little turn signals, the bumperettes, and gave the car a wicked aggressive look. To each his own, but 91-92 Formulas are the second best looking thirdgen after the 85-90 Trans Am. Originally Posted by BIRD91ZRAG
I agree the 91-92 cars don't bring the money an 87-90 will. I always thought the Batman front end was kinda odd looking. People that prefer Camaros just don't know any better. If they only knew how to dream a little bigger they could have a much better car for less money. The Firebird is always the better choice, partially because the resale value is lower. You get a better deal.
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I will take bumperettes over body side molded plastic..... "ground effects" Originally Posted by Drew
Ugggh... Bumperettes. Sickening. 
I like the clean look of the 87-90 Formula
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Oh man... You're going to make me divide by zero with that choice. I prefer cars without GFX generally, but the 85-90 Trans Am is perfection. Idk why I prefer that body to all others, it's just the way it is.
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I agree.....I like them too....what about GTA's?Originally Posted by Drew
Oh man... You're going to make me divide by zero with that choice. I prefer cars without GFX generally, but the 85-90 Trans Am is perfection. Idk why I prefer that body to all others, it's just the way it is. TTOP350
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Even today, the 91-2 bird styling is still a love it or hate it look.. Still has no middle ground.
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Same thing, but no tan interiors or it's ruined. Originally Posted by BizJetTech
I agree.....I like them too....what about GTA's? BizJetTech
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Same thing, but no tan interiors or it's ruined. 
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Until it runs its value is going to be low, period. All this nonsense 1 of 41 nobody in the market cares about but until it fires and doesn't sit there knocking like mad is what most would question. I wouldn't even consider paying much of anything for it until it ran.. good chunk of the rest of the world will be the same way.
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Originally Posted by TTOP350
Even today, the 91-2 bird styling is still a love it or hate it look.. Still has no middle ground. There's some middle ground. I'm in it. Much prefer the pre-1991 front end, but I didn't hate the 1991-92. If I was looking for another Firebird and the best one available was a 91/92, I'd buy it.
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There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who love the 91-92 beak, and those that prefer the exclusive company of other men. Go ahead, change my mind. Originally Posted by TTOP350
Even today, the 91-2 bird styling is still a love it or hate it look.. Still has no middle ground. 
The swoopy 91-92 gfx are questionable, but come on it's not like we're talking about the Berlinetta or notch backs, or the 86 third brake light, or the 88 Camaro spoiler... Is there anyone I havent offended yet?

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Its a great car. So happy it has T-Tops/350 and zero GFX.. The story is great, one owner great. And only driven to church on Sundays to boot! I've been searching around for a certain car that makes 500hp out of the factory from 2008-2010. They didn't make all that many of them. The wife wants to know what color, my response was anything but white or silver. she said no red either. I could be convinced to get silver if all the other colors were right. A guy only has so much money, and so much room, so hard choices have to be made. Oh, and did I mention that wheel option is really cool, although not a fan of those.
BizJetTech, what have you decided about the car? Buying it?
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I have not made a final decision just yet, but I am leaning toward passing on it......I prefer the 87-90 Formula's & GTA'sOriginally Posted by LeonardS
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An all original, fully documented RARE (1 of 41) 3rd gen with under 18,000 miles from the original owner and you guys are saying $10,000 ??......all I can say is I'm amazed
Sure, it's not running but that is no issue if you invest a little time....it aint no big deal.....it's not like it's been sitting outside all these years and the engine is seized up.
Drop the tank, install a new pump (maybe), flush the lines, replace the injectors, etc......no problems!
IMO.... you all complain that the 3rd gen values are too low.....well this is the reason......I think the next one that complains about low values of 3rd gens needs to look in the mirror to see the reason why......
and YES, I DONT get it......if it was a Camaro with the letters IROC on the side that would add another $5,000 ??? .....man, the world we live in......
BTW, I am a 3rd gen fan and owner and appreciate BOTH Firebirds & Camaros.....I am not biased....no reason to be that way !!
Biz I’m completely with you on this one. I’d have no problem paying that extra IROC premium on a car like this, simply because it’s not an IROC lol. I mean after all, where else you gonna find another one? Of course they’re out there but you ain’t gonna see them often, and probably not this preserved. And to be honest if I had that kinda money laying around to spend on something like this, conversation over lolOriginally Posted by BizJetTech
Man, I gotta say, you guys are one tuff group.....I think we should rename the forum.....Third Gen Camaro 
An all original, fully documented RARE (1 of 41) 3rd gen with under 18,000 miles from the original owner and you guys are saying $10,000 ??......all I can say is I'm amazed

Sure, it's not running but that is no issue if you invest a little time....it aint no big deal.....it's not like it's been sitting outside all these years and the engine is seized up.
Drop the tank, install a new pump (maybe), flush the lines, replace the injectors, etc......no problems!
IMO.... you all complain that the 3rd gen values are too low.....well this is the reason......I think the next one that complains about low values of 3rd gens needs to look in the mirror to see the reason why......
and YES, I DONT get it......if it was a Camaro with the letters IROC on the side that would add another $5,000 ??? .....man, the world we live in......

BTW, I am a 3rd gen fan and owner and appreciate BOTH Firebirds & Camaros.....I am not biased....no reason to be that way !!

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Dude this had me laughing as hard as the creeper ordeal. Hilarious Originally Posted by Drew
There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who love the 91-92 beak, and those that prefer the exclusive company of other men. Go ahead, change my mind.

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If you're passing, can you tell us what the asking price is??
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The swoopy 91-92 gfx are questionable, but come on it's not like we're talking about the Berlinetta or notch backs, or the 86 third brake light, or the 88 Camaro spoiler... Is there anyone I havent offended yet?
Funny post.Originally Posted by Drew
There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who love the 91-92 beak, and those that prefer the exclusive company of other men. Go ahead, change my mind. 
The swoopy 91-92 gfx are questionable, but come on it's not like we're talking about the Berlinetta or notch backs, or the 86 third brake light, or the 88 Camaro spoiler... Is there anyone I havent offended yet?
Second part made me laugh too. 3rd gen Firebirds were my favorites immediately when they first came out. I was just starting college. Every time they'd made a change, the small changes to the nose around 1984, the third brake light, the wraparound spoiler, I was like, "No! Don't mess it up before I can buy one." Although over time, I think they perfected the look and the 1987-90 cars where the best.
When I was finally out of school and making decent money, it was time for me to trade the Cavalier and buy the car that I really wanted. I was going to wait until fall of 1990 and buy a '91 Firebird. Then Motor Trend published the upcoming changes in 1991. I went out to the dealer shortly after that and in February of 1990 picked out my 1990 Formula before they were gone. Just to avoid that new nose.
I used to hate the bumperettes. I vowed to never own one with them and now I have 2 cars with them.lol They sort of grow on you after awhile though. It's blatantly, no I will say 100% obvious that the Pontiac designers were heavily influenced by the KITT car bumper when they created the final 91-92 nose. With that said, I prefer the 82-83 front nose with the grilles, but I do like the 91-92 nose as well.
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Sorry, 100% wrong. take a look at the 1988 Pontiac Banshee IV. Both the nose and the rear wing. Straight off the show car. It also heavily influenced the 4th gen Firebird.Originally Posted by kentuckyKITT
I used to hate the bumperettes. I vowed to never own one with them and now I have 2 cars with them.lol They sort of grow on you after awhile though. It's blatantly, no I will say 100% obvious that the Pontiac designers were heavily influenced by the KITT car bumper when they created the final 91-92 nose. With that said, I prefer the 82-83 front nose with the grilles, but I do like the 91-92 nose as well.
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Yea the 91-92, and 4th gen, were heavily influenced by the Banshee.
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i knew the "claybar residue " would come up.nice one 

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i knew the "claybar residue " would come up.nice one

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orange birds quote: no claybar residue,it was somewhat funny.this looks like the perfect $8000-$9000 car if you can confirm it hasn't been tampered with which im sure you can.
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Beautiful Formula only thing missing is a stick shift but other than that awesome car. Forget the iroc the 91-92 formulas are the best looking thirdgens there’s a reason the 92 firehawk is the most expensive and sought after third gen today, it was the complete package looks and all. Everyone loves a nice iroc but there everywhere and not hard to find.







