My previous username, COFORMULA, stopped working just now, so I was forced to reregister. It is funny how a certain person accuses me of not listening when they ask me what year car I have right after I posted it, then ask me to look up my RPO's, right after I posted the relevant ones that the SPID listed.

In any case, I'll drop that issue, as I was being a dick (sick of having people tell me my car isn't what it is) and revert back to the original question.

I have a Black 1991 Formula L98, with CC1, Black Interior, and a drum brake rear, all documented from the factory via the SPID.

According to some previous posts, this is a combo that hasn't popped up before. Is this true that this is the first one to pop up? Now that I think of it, all the ones like my car are 1992's...

 

just out of curiosity... what in the heck is a SPID?

 

The SPID is a sticker placed on the inside lid of the center console (Camaro) or the inside lide of the rear locking compartment (firebird) that lists every single option the vehicle is equipped with.

 

Gotcha! Thanks-

 

Hence the reason I asked you to provide some backup for the people that would turn it into a debate. I personally don't doubt the car exists, but seeing the numbers would help to back up your position.

Keep the posts on track, and refrain from trying to start trouble and you can ask anything you want, otherwise if you're just going to cause problems, you don't need to post here.

 

So do I need to give you a reach around to get my original username back or something?

Here is the VIN

1G2FS2389ML245812

AAA
AH3
AJ3
AR9
AU3
A31
A90
BC8
B2L
B84
CC1
C49
C60
DC4
DE4
DG7
D42
D5X
D8I
D81
E57
E92
FE2
GU5
G80
IPC
J42
KC4
K34
K68
L98
MD8
MX0
NA5
N10
N64
PW7
QLL
R68
R6P
UB3
UQ1
UX1
U62
U75
VAN
VK3
V1B
V73
WS6
W66
1SC
152
19I
18P
19Q
199
410
67K
72X
8NL
9NL

 

91 Formulas with 350 and T-tops aren't very well documented, Pete. Some of the moderators are working on updating Technical data on our website here. Countless times we've heard that someone had a 90-92 Firebird, Formula, or GTA that came with a 350 and T-tops from the factory, yet upon inspection turned out to be either a custom conversion (ex. C&C, and therefore not documented in the SPID sticker), or a 305 car. We don't want to sound like we're trying to give you any ****, we'd just like some more info about the car, that's all.

I tried to take a picture of the SPID in my 84 camaro, and ran into the same focusing problem. What I did to remedy my problem was to take my laptop out to the car, pull the lid off the console, and type all the information out on the SPID into a program such as notepad, and upload it to my website.

http://www.onecom.net/robertg/cars/1...po%20codes.txt

Hell, even if you did that, and took some generalized pictures showing the 5.7 emblems, etc. It's cool. We're a pretty cool group, we just try to weed out information that we think might be suspicious, and I'm sorry that you got caught in the crossfire.

So, check the site out, hang out, chat with us, and contribute!

Robert

 

Just a thought guys...

Since there has been no documented proof to date, then until actual proof is provided, then we have to go by the assumption that it doesn't exist. Not calling you a liar, just want physical proof that any were built. Since Drew keeps detailed records of documentation on lots of thirdgen facts, how about you message Drew with your vin # and let him run it at the dealership. Then there could be absolutely no doubt, and then Drew can provide us with a scan of the dealership info, minus your vin # for your protection. Then everyone would be happy, and there could be no arguing over the issue in the future.

EDIT- Well you guys posted while I was typing. If Drew feels the need, I guess he can run them now if he wants, for physical proof (not because we don't believe you). Thanks for posting the codes, it'll really help everyone in the future.

 

I posted the picture in the other thread, and above are my RPO's and VIN.

Even without the RPO's, the black crosslace rims back up that it is a factory t-top car, and the VIN backs up it is a 1991 and an L98.

 

Try keeping your comments positive and on topic and you won't have problems with your usernames getting banned. Comments like the above are over the line also. You've been warned heavily in the past and things haven't really changed. I run my board with zero tolerance, typically I delete, lock, etc then ban after several warnings, in your case I have no problems making exceptions.

 

Was that an answer to my question? I looked through it to see if there was any mention of my old username being unlocked, and didn't find any mention either way. :shrug:

 

An apology and some indication that you don't intend to cause trouble wouldn't hurt to get your other username back, but even that I can't guarentee. The way I see it you knew you were treading on thin ice and you started trouble anyway, so if losing one username is the only consequence I'd say you're getting off easy.

 

Wow... define defensive! I offer this scenario: An individual posts into a forum, asking for help in determining the rarity, or lack thereof, of his particular automobile. When asked if he could kindly provide a photo of the SPID in order to settle an internal debate and expand the factual information contained within the website (neither question seemed to question said individual's honesty in any way), he responds with a post that displays a definite accusatory and inflammatory flair. My goodness, this doesn't seem like the most effective method of eliciting aid in this matter, does it?

Bottom line is, I really didn't see where Drew was insinuating dishonesty on your part in your previous thread, PeteK. And here, in your second thread, you continue your inflammatory posts. I believe a little maturity on your part would definately help 'grease the wheels' in the future when seeking someone's aid, Pete. I'm rather new to this forum, so I may not know how things are normally done. What I do know, however, is that were I so fortunate as to be in Drew's shoes, I wouldn't be inclined to help you much further at all.

Drew- hope I didn't step on your toes, here.

BTW- the presence of the black crosslace rims don't back up a single thing except the fact that you have them on the car... you know this as well as anyone else would.

 

Well, I did offer a reach around in the way of concillatory gestures. If that isn't enough to get my old username back, I guess I just don't want it anymore.

Thanks though. Now back on the subject of RPO's, is that enough verification for you?

 

Normally, Black crosslace wheels wouldn't mean anything, except that they were only bundled on T-Top cars, and the RPOS list them.

 

And as for the subject of verification-

Since you made it very clear that you would rather this become an issue of proof as to what you may or may not own, I really believe that nothing would offer solid proof to anyone here more than a photo of the RPO's you keep mentioning. I wouldn't think that typing all these codes in a list really proves anything further than your own knowledge of what the codes stand for.

 

PeteK has been banned!

Thank you, please drive thru.

 

And, once again, a photo of a t-top car with black crosslace rims means nothing to me beyond the fact that they are on the car. This in itself would not tell me whether you put them there, or if they came as a factory option. Just like the photograph you posted also doesn't tell me if those are factory t-tops or an aftermarket add-on. Everyone was perfectly willing to take your posts at face value until you became so incredibly defensive and antagonistic. I, for one, am no longer quite as willing to do so.

 

I might get shot for this, but peal the decal off, scan it in, stick it back on. then we have proof that he is in fact telling the truth.

Mine was pealing off anyway when I did this, So when I put it back I gave it alittle help with some 2" scotch tape. Since you appear to have a CC1 with the 5.7 1991 car, it will be a good idea to make sure this tag never gets lost.

For anyone to say NO! it is not possible to have a 1991 with the 5.7, crosslace wheels, and T-tops, is obsurd, until we can proove either way. I can tell from the pic that its not a C&C conversion.

It is completely possible that it was a late 1991 and it got some 1992 options. Things like that at GM happen, engines slated for the next year get put into previous year cars. It happens, I know too many people that have worked for GM, and done strange things on the line, just for the heck of it. I looked at a S-10 truck that was half S-15, hey, its never been documented, but half of the decals were wrong.

I imagine there are camaros out there with a firebird interior too, from the factory, but no one would believe it if someone posted it here.

PeteK, I think what the moderators are looking for is some documents, other than pictures of the car that prove your car to be what it appears to be. It really is not a "I don't believe you" as much as, hey thats interesting, can you prove it.

does that make sence?

I am not trying to step on toes, just clear some things up.

John

 

Hey guys how rare is my 91 Firebird with L98, 5spd, TTops, etc? Here's my VIN 1g2fs2389ml123456
My rpo's are:
AAA
AH3
AJ3
AR9
AU3
A31
A90
BC8
B2L
B4U
B84
CC1
C49
C60
DC4
DE4
DG7
D42
D5X
D8I
D81
E57
E92
FE2
GU5
G80
IPC
J42
KC4
K34
K68
L98
MK5
MM5
NA5
N10
N64
PW7
QLL
R68
R6P
UB3
UQ1
UX1
U62
U75
VAN
VK3
V1B
V73
WS6
1SC
152
19I
18P
19Q
6ZX
7ZX
8NL
9NL

 

Cargasm, since it is a 91 and he posted the vin, all you have to do is go to the dealer to get a printout of all his rpos if you want proof. Hell, even photos of spid stickers can be forged if someone wanted to do that, but getting it direct from the dealer would be proof enough for me

 

Anyone who wants too can check the VIN, the car probably exists, but the owners an idiot that gets kicks by arguing on the internet.

 

It takes two to Tango Sweetie.

 

I guess I'll just sit here with my big can-o-ban and keep banning your accounts as you create them. Oh damn, not something to keep me busy while I play solitaire...