I had this 91 Firebird come across my marketplace today - and while I don't necessarily want to buy it, I was very curious if anyone had any historical information on this, as I have never seen one of these before. I tried some searching on this site and the rest of the web, and have come up empty handed.

Just think its pretty neat if its real, does anyone else on this site own one of the other 4 if so? May go check it out if I get some free time.

 

ya, that is interesting.

 

Not my thing, but a cool piece of history. Would be nice for someone to restore it.

 

Found another picture of this same car using google - not much additional info, although can see that its a 5.0 TBI motor - and the "Roof Scoops" mentioned in the above doc

https://www.pontiactransamforum.com/...5001-jpg.1132/

 

Interesting, not my cup of tea but cool historical piece if it's not some kinda fake

 

Looks fake. For it to have been a promotional vehicle, it sure does have a lot of stick on parts that don't look like quality. Looks like somebody visited the Autozone "performance" aisle in the late 90's/early 2000's. Plus, the Pontiac logo on that paper just doesn't look right to me. I could be wrong, but doesn't look right to me.

 

the more I look at it, the more it does seem like someone is really trying hard to make a base firebird something special. I asked for more pictures so we'll see if I get any, curious to see the 'brass ID plate'.

Those hood scoops are straight out of the autozone aisle for sure haha

 

I'm trying to figure out how they got a TBI 305 to run 0-60mph in 4.9 seconds.

 

I was wondering the same thing. Even the 350 TPI's weren't rated at that speed.

 

This is one of the most hideous Firebirds I've ever seen.

0 to 60 in 4.9 is knocking on TTA territory with sticky tires and turbo weather.

 

I noticed the 0-60 claim, and the 'E' in the VIN, about the same time.

404 Truth in advertising not found

 

Fake

 

My big question is about the "1991 Car of the Year".... According to who? You would think that would be specified.

The hood scoops are definitely the same ones found in every parts store in the early/mid 00's. At the time, you couldn't throw a dead cat without hitting a vehicle sporting those hideous scoops.

 

 

It wouldnt be that fast with a TBI on top of it. This car is a FRAUD!

 

that letter is pretty suspect. Why would the author congratulate the enquirer on owning a rare care despite first noting that they have no way to verify the car as being the 1 of 5.

depressing to see fraudulent provenance; I mean someone prepared that from the outset with the clear intent of misleading

 

Well at the very least this has provided an entertaining thread! Every time I look at it it seems more and more over-the-top fake. Doesn't make any sense to me, but might just be used as a tool to scam payments online.

 

The Pontiac logo on the letter looks to have been cut from a magazine

 

I also find the entire letter very odd. I find it suspect that it says it doesn't keep track of those cars, but then lists specific items that are all oddly very easy to find on that car. Then it uses a post script ("P.S.") to basically reinforce how rare the car is. I don't recall seeing P.S. on other verified official Pontiac documentation. The whole letter seems like a set up for a sucker to think it's real.

 

I think for most car folks, when you say it won CAR OF THE YEAR, you think Motor Trend. But I knew that wasn't right. 1991 COTY was the Chevrolet Caprice (I had to do a sales demo on the car when it came out).

That's not to say that your local Elks Club couldn't have it's own COTY award. There may be hundreds of them. But the MT version is the most well known.

 

Lots of really good comments in this thread. I'll add one other observation that maybe someone can explain. What's with the blue paint underneath? I'm not aware of any manufacturer using blue Primer, and the white paint on top is purported to be original given all the lettering and stuff on top still.

 

According to the VIN the car originally was 98U (Bright Blue).

Lots of suspicious things from the letter to the car itself. There's nothing in the VIN that shows it's anything than any other Firebird besides having the Sport Appearance package. It was also built around 8/3/1990

 

The 1991 Bubba's BBQ & Bait Shop Annual Rib Cookoff and Car Cruise First Prize Winner!

The whole thing is a fraud. And 4.9 seconds with a 5.0 TBI? Even if true, who paints that on a door?

 

Someone w/a car that does 8 second 0-60's.
Someone who cares about "0-60" times.

 

Or maybe this was one of Fast355's first prototypes. Before the van obsession. We know he can hotrod a TBI 305 into unbelieveable gains.

 

True. I mean, it already comes with the best peel-out proven, cylinder heads and intake you can get, from 0-4500 RPM...which is just about perfect for 0-60's with 2.5x gears!

 

It looks like it was used to promote a buy here pay here dealership. Why would GM get a blue car and paint it white when it could of just used a white car

 

Haha, I didn't even notice that before! It looks like they sectioned out the part that probably had a Sunbird or Grand Prix in it lol.

 

Horrendous

 

1G2FS23E2ML225164

Vehicle: FIREBIRD 2 DR

Year: 1991

Build Date: 1990-08-03

Found 47,612 vehicles matching that year and model in our database.
RPO Description Matches
AAA Standard Features 46,052
AH3 ADJUSTER,SEAT,4-WAY MANUAL,DRIVER 4-WAY MAN D/SEAT ADJR(AH3) 13,751
AJ3 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT INFLATABLE DRIVER SI INFL RST SYS(AJ3) 47,612
AR9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,MANUAL RECLINING(EUROPEAN STYLE) MAN RECL FRT BKT ST,DELUXE(AR9) 44,743
AU3 LOCK,SIDE DOOR,ELECTRIC ELEC S/D LK(AU3) 41,671 A31 WINDOW,ELECTRIC OPERATED,SIDE ELEC SI WDO(A31) 41,671
A90 LOCK,REAR COMPARTMENT LID,REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC RELEASE ELEC REL LID LK(A90) 28,389
BC8 ORNAMENTATION,INTERIOR,FRONT DOOR MAP POCKET RH AND LH DR MAP PKT(BC8) 41,671
B84 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,BODY SIDE MOLDING(USED WITH APPEARANCE PACKAGE Z12) BODY SI MLDG(B84) 46,790
CC1 ROOF,HATCH,REMOVABLE PANELS,GLASS HATCH RF(CC1) 27,277
C49 DEFOGGER,REAR WINDOW,ELECTRIC ELEC RR WDO DEFG(C49) 33,076
C60 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,MANUAL CONTROLS A/C MAN CONT(C60) 46,946
DC4 MIRROR,INSIDE,REARVIEW TILT,DUAL READING LAMP I/S DUAL READING LP RR VIEW MIR(DC4) 46,761
DE4 SUNSHADE,REMOVABLE HATCH ROOF HATCH RF S/S(DE4) 27,277 DG7 MIRROR,OUTSIDE,RH AND LH REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC(PAINTED)(USED WITH SE Z7M,STE Z7N,LE Z7K) O/S ELEC R/CON PAINTED MIR(DG7) 27,108
D3W GEAR-SPEEDO DRIVEN (25513044) (D3W) 11,580 D42 COVER,REAR COMPARTMENT SECURITY(SHADE) R/CMPT SECURITY SHADE(D42) 25,346
D8N SENSOR VEH SPD (10456088) (D8N) 31,204 D80 EXTENSION,REAR END PANEL(SPOILER) R/END PNL MOUNTED RR SPLR(D80) 33,879
E5Z ADAPTER - SPEEDO - DELETE 47,612 E9Z KEY - SPEEDO - DELETE 47,612
FE1 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,SOFT RIDE(USED WITH RS PACKAGE Y86) SOFT RIDE SUSP(FE1) 35,966
GU2 AXLE,REAR,2.73 RATIO 2.73R(GU2) 16,938 IPC TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IPC) 44,743
J41 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT DISC,REAR DRUM(CAST IRON) CAST IRON FRT DISC/RR DRUM BRK SYS(J41) 41,181
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L03 ENGINE,5.0L(5.0H),V8(T.B.I.) 5.0H(L03) 15,058 MD8 TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC 4-SPEED(THM700R4/4L60) 4-SPD A/TRANS(MD8) 43,399
MX0 TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC,OVERDRIVE(MERCHANDISING OPTION)(MD8) A/TRANS PROVISIONS(MX0) 43,399
NA5 EMISSION SYSTEM,FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FEDERAL EMIS(NA5) 43,196
N24 WHEEL,15X7(CAST ALUMINUM) AL WHL(N24) 34,681 N36 STEERING WHEEL,SPORT-4 SPOKES SPORT STRG WHL(N36) 41,430
QPH TIRE ALL- P215/65R15/N BL R/PE ST TL AL2 (9591591)(USED WITH RS PACKAGE Y86) TIRE(QPH) 34,437
R6B CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 02 4,837
T96 LAMP,FRONT FOG(USED WITH APPEARANCE PACKAGE WS4) FRT FOG LP(T96) 33,888
UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER)(USED WITH DELUXE SPORT PKG W32) GA(UB3) 47,612
UM6 RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,CASSETTE,ETR,INCLUDES CLOCK STEREO CASSETTE(UM6) 17,942
UQ1 RADIO,PROVISIONS FOR STEREO STEREO RDO PR0VISIONS(UQ1) 47,612 U62 SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL COAX FRONT,DUAL COAX PACKAGE SHELF 4 SPKR SYS(U62) 47,612
U75 ANTENNA,POWER(CHROME) PWR ANT(EXPORT)(U75) 18,779 VAN PLANT CODE VAN NUYS, CA, CPC VAN NUYS,CA PLANT CODE(VAN) 47,612
VK3 LICENSE PLATE,FRONT MOUNTING PACKAGE FRT LIC PLT MTG PKG(VK3) 37,477
V1B Value Package Discount 11,542
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 44,388
W68 PACKAGE,FIREBIRD SPORT APPEARANCE APPEARANCE PKG(W68) 27,706
1SC PACKAGE-OPTION 03 (1SC) 24,569 1SZ PACKAGE OPTION- (1SZ) 32,287
18P WHEEL COLOR,CHARCOAL METALLIC (18P) 37,994
24Q MOLDING COLOR,BRIGHT BLUE METALLIC (24Q) 3,023
6XU SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT LH SUSP(6XU) 9,448
7XU SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT RH SUSP(7XU) 9,448
8UZ SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR LH SUSP(8UZ) 5,826
82C TRIM COMBINATION,CLOTH,MEDIUM DARK GRAY (82C) 31,438
82I INTERIOR TRIM,MEDIUM DARK GRAY (82I) 31,861
829 SEAT BELT COLOR - MED DK GRAY (829) 31,861
9UZ SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR RH SUSP(9UZ) 5,826
98U EXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY,BLACK SAPPHIRE METALLIC (98U) 3,092

The car does not have anything in the RPO's to suggest it was anything special at the time of production. However the letter states that it was a promotional vehicle, so it might have been just a car off the line and made into what it is.

 

Interesting thanks. I do see it keep getting posted over and over on marketplace. very scammy - there is some more pictures of it now

 

That "official" GM letter looks like something cobbled together by some lower-level used-car salesman at a "Buy Here/Pay Here" car lot.

And LOL @ all those hood scoops. Reminds me of the type of stuff that used to be hawked by J.C. Whitney back in the day.



As always when looking at internet car ads: Caveat Emptor

 

I really like the "factory" second gen Firebird logo on the third gen hood.

 

This car and everything about it spells delusions of a trailer park trash owner.

 

Geez, it doesn't even have a G80 positrack...

I swear, I've seen that car before (online), like about ten years ago.

 

But on the plus side, the car has the nifty adjustable driver seat track. So there's that at least, lol.

Seriously though, someone needs to buy that car and remove all the hokey fake stuff, then pretend that nothing ever happened and it's just another Firebird.