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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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Car: 88 iroc-z/28
Engine: 408 lsx
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It runs!

1st startup, still have a long way to go.
big difference in a stock 6.0 with a cam to a monster 408.
sound cuts out after 30 seconds.
works fine on my comp, but wont load right.
bleh.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=52363859
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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From: 39.84N 105.11W
Car: '89 Trans Am GTA
Engine: WAS 350 - now L92 (alum. 378/6.2L)
Transmission: WAS 700R4, now a built T56
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Re: It runs!

Congrats - sounds mean...
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Re: It runs!

video is causing fits!
no street fire, wouldnt load to youtube.
sound is crappy on photobucket, but it works.
http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m...t=DSCN2128.flv
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Re: It runs!

Sounds angry! That outta get her rolling out. I just noticed your in Pensacola my folks are retired and are down there right now. A family friend is down there with a 34 Ford painted purple and an 85 tubbed el camino maybe you've seen him rolling around.

Regardless the new engine is schweet dude congrats
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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Re: It runs!

i dont recall those offhand, but if they go to burger king on 9 mile or hit the track, im sure ive seen it.
thanks!
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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Re: It runs!

nice did you end up going with the L92 heads or something else? What's the cam spec'ing out to ?
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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Re: It runs!

ended up getting a smoking deal on a set of tfs 235 i couldnt pass up!
cam is a comp lsl lobe 247 255 623 on a 108ICL
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 10:36 PM
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Re: It runs!

i got a bigger cam as well I've been debating tossing into a 6.0L, how was your PTV clearance with that cam? Mine is on a 113lsa and 248/254
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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Re: It runs!

Very Impressive! Sounds like it want's to kill something, I Love it. How tough was it getting that engine in there? Was there alot of Hacking to be done due to clearance issues? Just curious.
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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Nice man! That car is one of my favorites on the board. Exterior, interior, and now engine choice...all good decisions and execution!!

Looking forward to some driving vids! Good work!

J.
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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Re: It runs!

thanks for the compliments!
not much hacking gettting it in. just motor mounts and a crank spacer.
i had a tube k member and supporting goodies, so it fell into place.

that 248/254 cam is going to be a no go on stock pistons unless you flycut or have aftermarket goodies.
thats a haus for a 364 inches. you would have to spin it well north of 7K for power.
high 230's is where my cam was in my stock 6.0. 235 237 599 602. it didnt make a lot of peak power, but it was max power from the time you hit the gas till you let off.
even this cam in my 408 is only 247/255. pat G said my valve events are correct for what im trying to get out of it, so ill wait and see.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 12:30 AM
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Re: It runs!

I figured the cam would be too big for even the 6.0L but didn't know if the dished pistons in the LQ4 motor would allow for it or not. Really debating on just tossing in some high compression pistons and .030 over the engine or getting the stroker crank and bumping it to a 408 I believe it ends up being. I figured it's only slightly larger than a Trex cam which several run in a 346 motor so the extra 20ish cubes could handle 4 more degrees of duration.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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Re: It runs!

if you go 408, stay away from a callies crank if you are running the msd box. it wont crank.
if it does, it will run on a couple cylinders.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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Re: It runs!

ya i've heard all the horror stories on some cranks not working with the MSD box, I'll definitely research it more on ls1tech to find the crank that will work with the box. I believe the eagle cranks work with the box, but before I pull the trigger on buying one I'm going to call a few sponsors and find out the truth. I'm not going to that distributor setup since it's a step backwards IMO.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Re: It runs!

Are you guys talking about the MSD Ignition boxes? Like, the ones that make the Spark Plug Fire more than once per Revolution? I think those are just a waste of money...
To my knowledge, All Ignition Boxes do, are make the Spark Plugs spark several times, as opposed to just sparking once... They don't make them burn hotter, or better or anyting... It's like Using a Shotgun at close range, instead of a Pistol...
Really, Ignition Boxes are useless. I mean, A spark is a Spark... A Spark will cause an explosion when exposed to gas even if it's super small... You don't need the "Bigger Spark" as advertised by MSD... Why do you think they say not to smoke wen filling your gas tank? Small spark+small fumes=Big Boom... Same principal in an engine.
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:38 PM
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Re: It runs!

MSD was/is the ticket for old school non fast burn chamber engines especially distributor systems. Nowadays with better heads, factory crank trigger, and coil per cyl ign it seems a waste of money. In fact I've seen more guys complain about MSD coil packs being worse than stockers on LS1's.

Obviously with the carb set up the MSD pack seems to be the way to go but I have no personal experience. The PCM of LS1's is pretty easy to wire up and tune plus it works very well I for one am amazed as a former carb junky I have now seen the light and will not be returning to carb anytime soon
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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:24 AM
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Re: It runs!

Originally Posted by Tice
Are you guys talking about the MSD Ignition boxes? Like, the ones that make the Spark Plug Fire more than once per Revolution? I think those are just a waste of money...
To my knowledge, All Ignition Boxes do, are make the Spark Plugs spark several times, as opposed to just sparking once... They don't make them burn hotter, or better or anyting... It's like Using a Shotgun at close range, instead of a Pistol...
Really, Ignition Boxes are useless. I mean, A spark is a Spark... A Spark will cause an explosion when exposed to gas even if it's super small... You don't need the "Bigger Spark" as advertised by MSD... Why do you think they say not to smoke wen filling your gas tank? Small spark+small fumes=Big Boom... Same principal in an engine.
the basic msd systems are nice. they do help with starting, drivability, etc.
are they needed? not really.
but, when you get into wild stuff, with individual timing advance, retards, and whatnot, its hard to beat the msd 7 series.

the msd box for the ls1 is a completely different animal. its requried to run the coils, cam and crank sensor and a carburetor. without it, youd never get the motor running unless you went with a front dist setup, but that still requires at least a msd 6 series box or better.
efi really doesnt benefit with the use of a msd box because the sensros and computer parameters make it perform.

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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Re: It runs!

Originally Posted by xpndbl3
ya i've heard all the horror stories on some cranks not working with the MSD box, I'll definitely research it more on ls1tech to find the crank that will work with the box. I believe the eagle cranks work with the box, but before I pull the trigger on buying one I'm going to call a few sponsors and find out the truth. I'm not going to that distributor setup since it's a step backwards IMO.
eagle is usually good everytime, why i went with them.
scat has a 4.100 stroke out now if you arent spinning the motor over 6800. youll make more power and it will live. beyond that, youre stressing the parts with that stroke.
not sure about lunati at all. dont think anyone ive seen/talked to has run one on a carb setup.

another issue with the box is voltage and cranking rpm.
the box doesnt work off 9 min volts like most gadgets.
i think its 10.6 volts min. had an issue and this is per msd.
cranking rpm must reach 150rpm or the crank sensor wont pick up a signal.
i actually had 2 battery chargers on full boost to get my motor turned over to start.
off a fully charged optima, the car spun over a couple of times, then just locked up like the battery was dead.
motor a lil tight. after a heat cycle, starts up fine.
just couldnt get the cranking rpm high enough.
good luck with the build.
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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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Re: It runs!

i'm fully prepared with the 16v jump pack if I have to Just pop the hatch to fire it up. I run zero guage wire to the starter through a ford solenoid so I shouldn't have any slow cranking issues hopefully. I'll find out later this week with the ls1.
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