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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:18 AM
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When mine was drive able, it kicked ***. Now that I've torn into the interior and sanded the paint I'm dying to drive it again.

Might I make a suggestion to people thinking about the LT1, if you are going that route, do a cam change before install, doesn't have to be a donkey dong cam, seal you GM opti with silicone, replace your rear main seal, and for love of all that's holy, don't waste your money on a 58mm Tb.
I could not agree more my friend. Might I add one thing:

a new oil pump isnt a bad investment either.
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A stock LS1 will outperform a stock LT1, assuming both engines are running top notch.

I have seen plenty of LT's hang with LS's stock. Some of the fastest stock LT1 times out there are high 12's. LS1tech has those guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebw-2...7A-t4vlERPIVrJ

I will agree that an LS engine has more potential at the higher end of modding but the LS and LT are pretty close competitors before both engines are full out modded. Also both get comparative gas mileage also. The LT1 in my Vette has a rebuilt bottom end with forged rods and ARP bolts, stock heads,30 lb SVO's, LT's, MadZ28 tune and a cc503 cam, that's it. She traps 112 in the 1/4. Basically a cam only LT1. Not to shabby if i do say so myself. This winter I will be doing LE2 heads along with a new cam. Shooting for 11's or at least to trap 115 mph. O and that run is also on a sh!tty 3.07 rear gear. As far as gas mileage goes I took a 600 mile round trip down to Long island. Got stuck in 3 hours total of traffic jams. (as you can imagine my clutch leg KILLED, BUT that's revving the car a little everytime we moved.) and I got 24MPG. Again keep in mind that's in stop and go traffic for 1.5 hours down and got stuck for another 1.5 hours on the way back. and in addition 6 hours driving each way on top of that. Doing about 75-80 down the interstate. I was impressed. 1 tank there, 1 tank back. Fuel injection claims the credit there! haha
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As said before I love my swap. One thing I suggest for auto swappers is a TC. The best investment I made in my swap was my Yank SS3600. Made me forget and not regret going 4l60e.
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As said before I love my swap. One thing I suggest for auto swappers is a TC. The best investment I made in my swap was my Yank SS3600. Made me forget and not regret going 4l60e.
I have never owned/driven a stalled auto before but from what I have seen it helps a TON! I agree with Carlos.
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The Yank is amazing, driving is stock like and the difference is night and day. Unbelievable from a stop if you can actually hook...

Remember you get what you pay for. My neighbor has a B&M behind his LT1 and it was horrible. I made him switch from it but he went with a Vigilante 3600 since he got a good deal for it.

One thing I suggest is doing gears first. I kept my 3.27s instead of going 3.70s since the setup felt really good with the Yank.
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Question. Why does everyone like lsx motors? I was just looking at the hp ratings and it looks like the 5.7 ls1 is rated at 285 hp stock and the stock ltx is 300 hp? So what's the deal there?
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That doesn't sound right
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Question. Why does everyone like lsx motors? I was just looking at the hp ratings and it looks like the 5.7 ls1 is rated at 285 hp stock and the stock ltx is 300 hp? So what's the deal there?
The factory rated the B-Body LT1 at 260hp, F-body LT1'a at 275hp and the Corvette LT1 at 300hp. F-body LS1's are rated at 325hp and the Corvette LS1 is rated at 350hp. Although many LS boys claim their F-body LS1 makes the same 350 at the crank that the Vette does. (Based off dyno runs when they are stock). On another side note the LT4 is rated at 330hp and the LT5 has a 375hp and 405hp version. I would love to get ahold of an LT5 but they are rare and has almost no mods available. Would be cool to have a DOHC 350 though.
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Now that sounds correct

Originally Posted by v10viper04
The factory rated the B-Body LT1 at 260hp, F-body LT1'a at 275hp and the Corvette LT1 at 300hp. F-body LS1's are rated at 325hp and the Corvette LS1 is rated at 350hp. Although many LS boys claim their F-body LS1 makes the same 350 at the crank that the Vette does. (Based off dyno runs when they are stock). On another side note the LT4 is rated at 330hp and the LT5 has a 375hp and 405hp version. I would love to get ahold of an LT5 but they are rare and has almost no mods available. Would be cool to have a DOHC 350 though.
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

Originally Posted by evilemokid94
Question. Why does everyone like lsx motors? I was just looking at the hp ratings and it looks like the 5.7 ls1 is rated at 285 hp stock and the stock ltx is 300 hp? So what's the deal there?
285hp is what the 5.3 lsx is rated at. An actual 5.7 ls1 out of an fbody is, as said above, 325hp give or take.
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Those Lt1 numbers are not even close to what they make to the ground. LTX can be made into pretty darn good motors but the LSX platform is just a step ahead in every form from the block to the heads.

I plan to ditch my setup in 2013 for a Ls3 with a Supercharger. 2012 is lt1 year for me.
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Those Lt1 numbers are not even close to what they make to the ground. LTX can be made into pretty darn good motors but the LSX platform is just a step ahead in every form from the block to the heads.

I plan to ditch my setup in 2013 for a Ls3 with a Supercharger. 2012 is lt1 year for me.
I have seen LTx cars putting down 250+ stock. Not as much as the LS engines but still not bad. I would say the heads are the only advantage of the LS engines, maybe the 100lb lighter block. The LS is not much more efficient than an LT if at all either. I have heard of 18MPG cammed LS engines out there many times. Cammed LT's get better than that. Not saying the LS is not better but I personally feel the advantages of the LS engines do not offset the price difference. I picked up my LT1 for $300. Cheapest complete LS1 around here is 2k. Literally.... I know there are cheaper ones elsewhere but I don't feel like spending 2k on a factory engine... Might as well buy a crate engine for that amount. My LT1 runs great for the little amount of money I have into it. Looking up parts for LS engines they are crazy expensive... At least from what I have seen.
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Hey Viper what do you think of my LT1 plans (post 50)?

Few people have commented on it.
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Well Evil emo dude, here is what I am doing with my LT1:

-All forged 383 rotating assembly-Howards Cams Track Smart forged 4340 steel crank (best crank $560 can buy and made in the USA by Callies)
-Keeping the pistons .010 in the hole and using a .030 head gasket
-12.4:1 compression with Mahle 5cc flat tops
-Compstar forged 6" rods
-LE2 heads with 55cc combustion chambers, Manley Street Flo valves, Patriot Gold springs, Scorpion Aluminum 1.6 roller rockers (self aligning)
-LE Intake
-LE cam (Comp grinds them for him) 244/254 .608 .608 110
-LTCC ignition conversion
-Johnson Heavy Duty ("anti pump up") Hydraulic Roller Lifters
-studded two bolt mains
-Pioneer "keyed" balancer hub (so the balancer won't slip)
-Rev limiter set at 6800ish
-No A/C, no egr, no emissions crapola
-custom tri-y headers
-All in front of a built T56
-410 gears and tru track posi for the rear (contemplating doing a custom 8.8 inch rear though)

That's basically it. I still have my doubts about the reverse cooling and aluminum heads being able to "compensate" for the 12.4:1 compression on pump premium, but both Lloyd Elliott and AI told me don't worry about it--they see it all the time with no problems. We shall see. Plus I am running the LT4 knock sensor It should pull like a freight train though. That's what I want.

I was talking to the guy at AI once, and I told him I wanted 11.5:1 compression, and he said, "If you're wanting to build a low compression engine, you might as well knock it down to 10:1 and look into getting a supercharger or some turbos for it." ha ha ha "OK, 12.4:1 it is then." I said.

It's no LS1 but I am looking forward to smoking guys in town who are always bragging about their LS1s and they're not even modded LS1s about which they are bragging either, which makes it even more fun. If my LT1 were stock, that'd be a different story. A stock LS1 will outperform a stock LT1, assuming both engines are running top notch.

That darn drive bearing for the water pump drive gear/shaft is a pain to find.. My builder says he can find one so he can press in a new one, since the engine isn't built yet and I might as well use a new one. Yeah LS1s are better, but I won't care that my engine is an "LT1" when I push the gas pedal.

Phew!! No more typing for me tonight.
Not bad but personally I would not go 383. There is not enough of a difference in hp or torque levels to justify the price increase. It will have better street manners and can use a smaller cam to make the same power levels but I don't see the cost justified. Your compression is a little high and your getting into race gas territory. It will be nasty when finished though! I'm sure you will have a BLAST with her!
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I have seen LTx cars putting down 250+ stock. Not as much as the LS engines but still not bad. I would say the heads are the only advantage of the LS engines, maybe the 100lb lighter block. The LS is not much more efficient than an LT if at all either. I have heard of 18MPG cammed LS engines out there many times. Cammed LT's get better than that. Not saying the LS is not better but I personally feel the advantages of the LS engines do not offset the price difference. I picked up my LT1 for $300. Cheapest complete LS1 around here is 2k. Literally.... I know there are cheaper ones elsewhere but I don't feel like spending 2k on a factory engine... Might as well buy a crate engine for that amount. My LT1 runs great for the little amount of money I have into it. Looking up parts for LS engines they are crazy expensive... At least from what I have seen.
What LT1s put down stock ain't bad but its far from the numbers they are given on those spec sheets. I have seen LT1s put down near 250 but that was only behind a M6.

LS have alot more advantages than just the heads. The blocks are lighter, better built and overall stronger and can be made bulletproof with the right money. The ignition is miles ahead of the LT1. Overall the engine is a better investment.

As far as MPG goes, I never got more than 16mpg out of my LT1 when I drove it. My neighbors LT1 96 gets 15 city all day long with a cc503 behind a M6. His other ride happends to be a 00 SS that only has a Yank SS4000, Exhaust and tune and gets over 23mpg city. All these are no I heard/He heard.

A crate for $2000? Not gonna get much for that amount. I picked up my LT1 with 88k for $650 and needed alot of things to be dropped in without me worrying about anything. I probably spent near $3000 in the drivetrain alone to get it up to speed for my needs.

I can go on and on about this but I won't. Everyone knows LSX has earned their place and those who disagree just want to be in that little circle of people who dare to be different and not follow the crowd. If you are on a budget then Gen 1/Gen 2 is for you. I was when I did my swap and now I really regret not waiting.
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What LT1s put down stock ain't bad but its far from the numbers they are given on those spec sheets. I have seen LT1s put down near 250 but that was only behind a M6.

LS have alot more advantages than just the heads. The blocks are lighter, better built and overall stronger and can be made bulletproof with the right money. The ignition is miles ahead of the LT1. Overall the engine is a better investment.

As far as MPG goes, I never got more than 16mpg out of my LT1 when I drove it. My neighbors LT1 96 gets 15 city all day long with a cc503 behind a M6. His other ride happends to be a 00 SS that only has a Yank SS4000, Exhaust and tune and gets over 23mpg city. All these are no I heard/He heard.

A crate for $2000? Not gonna get much for that amount. I picked up my LT1 with 88k for $650 and needed alot of things to be dropped in without me worrying about anything. I probably spent near $3000 in the drivetrain alone to get it up to speed for my needs.

I can go on and on about this but I won't. Everyone knows LSX has earned their place and those who disagree just want to be in that little circle of people who dare to be different and not follow the crowd. If you are on a budget then Gen 1/Gen 2 is for you. I was when I did my swap and now I really regret not waiting.

I do not agree with most of your statement. My cc503 LT1 gets 24 MPG, my buddies B-Body LT1 gets 19 on a bad day... Your friends have bad running LT1's then honestly... These are not he said /she said either. If you really said this "better built and overall stronger and can be made bulletproof with the right money." Better built? HARDLY... How about piston slap? No gen1 or gen2 has ever had that problem. Kind of a big deal, They are NOT better built, that is not even close to right. There's not really any way to judge that, gen1's have gone millions are miles, the LS engines are too new to have that kind of mileage and to say the LS is built better is extremely arrogant. Not to mention the gen1 was been built for over 50 years, you can't get much better than that, they might as well have perfected gen1 engine building, LS engines have been built for what... 14 years?. Any engine can be built "bulletproof" with the right amount of money, ANY engine.... Your bringing up points that literally have no backing or even make a difference at all. Tell me other reasons that make the LS engines so much better... I want fact supporting arguments.. not your opinions that I might add are somewhat flawed... Head flow and block weight are big ones. The ingnition system IS miles ahead but is it really more efficient? Hardly... I'll bet all my cars on the fact that there is no noticeable gain in HP if you remove the TINY little spinning plastic rotor in the Optispark, or efficiency loss if you have longer spark plug wires..... I have gone over this on another site, different more reliable design but not more efficient. Also if ppl can get 100k+ on an optispark I would say that's quite reliable. I got 150k on mine before I changed it and it didn't need to be changed! All the people who rag on the opti's got me to change it and WASTE my money. Most of them never even owned an LT1 I'll bet. I'm not saying the LT1 is better, it's not, BUT I don't appreciate when ppl say it's a junk motor and the LS is WAY ahead when It's not... Plain and simple. My argument is facts not opinions....

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What LT1s put down stock ain't bad but its far from the numbers they are given on those spec sheets. I have seen LT1s put down near 250 but that was only behind a M6.

You realize spec sheets rate the LT1's at the crank right? Not the wheels? Same with the LS1's, at the crank. 250RWHP on a 275 Crank hp car is great! Although there are LT1's putting less down like 230+. Even some LS motors put down some pathetic numbers. I think most LS1's put down 250-290RWHP factory. Which again is great! Every manufacturer builds engines in bulk, there are bound to be freaks and ones that are just weak.
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A crate for $2000? Not gonna get much for that amount. I picked up my LT1 with 88k for $650 and needed alot of things to be dropped in without me worrying about anything. I probably spent near $3000 in the drivetrain alone to get it up to speed for my needs.

So your saying get ripped off is ok b/c the LS offsets the price in the HP potential it can make? I picked up an LT1 with 90k for $80 last year. Motor ran great! Came with everything, guy just didn't want it anymore. In my opinion you overpaid for your LT. I spent less than 1k to get my LT1 to my liking.
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Looks like the most expensive part I'll be getting for mine that I can think of right now is A yank converter lol. But as far as the people fighting above about which engine is better, I just say let people chose their engines and do what they want. I have several people telling me not to do lt and to do an ls instead. Being 17 I don't have the cash to drop on an ls let alone all the extra modification I'd have to do to my car for the ls. On the lt all I have to Chang on my car is the motor mounts. Then it drops in
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I'm not arguing about which is better I'm merely defending the LT1 against someone who is not informed correctly. Or someone who's opinions are getting the better of them. haha The spread of false information is why the LT1 has such a bad reputation.
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Yeah bad reputation or not I'm in love with the look, sound, and power of the lt1. I like the aftermarket parts that we can get for them, with just a few parts they can become power houses and lets not forget the sound, mhmmm lol
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Some of the LS1 #'s you guys are throwing around are off a tad,

The 98-00 fbody cars were rated at 305hp, it wasn't until 01-02 that the rating was increased to 315hp due to the addition of the LS6 intake, and better exhaust manifolds as well as newer cast 241 heads as opposed to the 98 806 sand cast heads which had a rougher finish

98-02 Camaro SS and WS6 cars were all rated for 325hp, for the cold air intake and better muffler. Intact the 98 SS and WS6 cars had an SLP single 3" exit muffler, the 99+ cars moved to the dual exits. Also the 01-02 lost the EGR.

My own bone stock 98 z28 m6 put down 295rwhp

The 350hp rating of the Ybody cars came from the very slightly different cam, and the true dual exhaust, with better stock manifolds.

Thought this might help some people
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Some of the LS1 #'s you guys are throwing around are off a tad,

The 98-00 fbody cars were rated at 305hp, it wasn't until 01-02 that the rating was increased to 315hp due to the addition of the LS6 intake, and better exhaust manifolds as well as newer cast 241 heads as opposed to the 98 806 sand cast heads which had a rougher finish

98-02 Camaro SS and WS6 cars were all rated for 325hp, for the cold air intake and better muffler. Intact the 98 SS and WS6 cars had an SLP single 3" exit muffler, the 99+ cars moved to the dual exits. Also the 01-02 lost the EGR.

My own bone stock 98 z28 m6 put down 295rwhp

The 350hp rating of the Ybody cars came from the very slightly different cam, and the true dual exhaust, with better stock manifolds.

Thought this might help some people
That's a very nice factory number. That's why ppl believe that there is NO DIFFERENCE between the F and Y body LS1's. There are differences but they are probably not that extreme. haha
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

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So your saying get ripped off is ok b/c the LS offsets the price in the HP potential it can make? I picked up an LT1 with 90k for $80 last year. Motor ran great! Came with everything, guy just didn't want it anymore. In my opinion you overpaid for your LT. I spent less than 1k to get my LT1 to my liking.

Show me where anyone can buy a LT1 with 90k for $80. In Indiana/Wisconsin/IL you can get a Fbody LT1 for no less than $400 and thats a bit shady since most run for what I paid for it. I can go out and find alot of $300 LT1s if I wanted but it will be a Junkyard motor most likely a B-Body. If I ever find a $80 LT1 that is perfect with no defects, I will let you know...

Yes you can get a motor for cheap. I can do that too and I dont care if the previous owner said it had 30k, I am still taking it apart to see for myself.


I am not gonna continue on the LSX vs LT1 debate, you can dig up countless threads and continue your opinions there.

My 86 will just get a Top end from Ai and I am calling it a day. Anything more and the LT1 is coming out.
Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

Originally Posted by Carlos773
Show me where anyone can buy a LT1 with 90k for $80. In Indiana/Wisconsin/IL you can get a Fbody LT1 for no less than $400 and thats a bit shady since most run for what I paid for it. I can go out and find alot of $300 LT1s if I wanted but it will be a Junkyard motor most likely a B-Body. If I ever find a $80 LT1 that is perfect with no defects, I will let you know...

Yes you can get a motor for cheap. I can do that too and I dont care if the previous owner said it had 30k, I am still taking it apart to see for myself.


I am not gonna continue on the LSX vs LT1 debate, you can dig up countless threads and continue your opinions there.

My 86 will just get a Top end from Ai and I am calling it a day. Anything more and the LT1 is coming out.
Well guess what bud? I got my LT1 for $80. Plain and simple! Yes I went through the bottom end but I did that b/c I wanted to not b/c I had to. My buddy bought one for $700 and I bought one for $300. Some run for more than others. O you want an F-body LT1? Is it really that hard to go get a set of aluminum LT heads ($50) then change the cam.... really?... I bought my LT1 for $80 then bought alum heads for $50. $300 in getting the block checked, piston pressed off and back on the new rods, new cam bearings and the bottom end balanced, Seems pretty cheap to me, I'm under what you payed for a factory setup and my block can rev out safely now.. Also after heads your calling it a day? That doesn't even make sense... Any more and your done with the LT1? What else can you do? So you can go beyond heads with the LS1? Do they make magical parts I don't know about? Same mods as an LT1 as far as I'm concerned. Seems you sound a little irritated that I proved your theories wrong. I'm not starting a fight, you did when you came on here trashing the LT1 and making false statements about the LS being built better than the gen1/gen2. This is where bad info comes from, you also think the opti is junk too huh? I give credit where its due but all the cocky LS guys **** me off. "The motor touched by the hand of god" What a load.... All Chevy engines are Touched by the hand of god! Not just one! and .
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

Originally Posted by Carlos773
Show me where anyone can buy a LT1 with 90k for $80. In Indiana/Wisconsin/IL you can get a Fbody LT1 for no less than $400 and thats a bit shady since most run for what I paid for it. I can go out and find alot of $300 LT1s if I wanted but it will be a Junkyard motor most likely a B-Body. If I ever find a $80 LT1 that is perfect with no defects, I will let you know...
O and sorry you can't find deals like I can... Most LT's around here go for around $200-400 in a good running shape. Most are B-body LT1s but why does that matter? Alum F-body heads are cheaper than dirt. Not to mention if your going to keep the stock heads the Iron heads flow better and are less prone to warping anyways.
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I got my complete donor car with harness, PCM, and everything for $1500

Not bad considering I parted it out and got more than my money back and I didn't have to sell the seats to do so. So now I have a perfect set of seats to swap into my IROC along with the LT1.

Granted it was a pain in the **** parting the darn thing out. $$ takes some work.

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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

Originally Posted by v10viper04
O and sorry you can't find deals like I can... Most LT's around here go for around $200-400 in a good running shape. Most are B-body LT1s but why does that matter? Alum F-body heads are cheaper than dirt. Not to mention if your going to keep the stock heads the Iron heads flow better and are less prone to warping anyways.

I am not saying I cant find deals just that everything around here is not dirt cheap. I can find B-bodys Lt1s for $300 too. People around here want an arm and a leg for a Fbody with lowish miles 50-90k~. Also the lowest I ever found a pair of alum heads let alone 643's was $150 and that was on Ls1tech and they were bare. Searched my area all alum heads for the LT1 are $250 to $350.

I never said LSx motors are ''touched by the hand of god''. I never will, I finished my LT1 swap with friends trying to get me to scrap the idea and I still went with it. I know how much money they have in their rides and its amazing what performance they got out of it.
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I got my donar car running and everything for 1,000 dollars drove it 150 miles home, LT1 4l60E Formula Pontiac 350. Swaped out everything no strings attached.
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Heres what I spent for the swap.

$650 for 88k 97 LT1 W/ Full Accessories, Harness and PCM and was even given the engine stand.
$335 97 4l60e
$150 on Misc items like Gaskets, hoses, clamps, motor mounts, etc
$95 Gm Performance Oil pump & pickup
$250 Gm Performance water pump
$380 GM performance Optispark
$205 Summitracing 52mm TB
$125 Walbro 255
$780 Yank SS3600
$550 Exhaust (Hedman 68469s, Custom Y pipe, Hooker Aerochamber)
$315 Tuff Stuff Alternator 200amp
$76 LT4 Knock Sensor
$66 B&M 70264 Tranny cooler
$30 A/C Delete
$120 Mail order tune from LT1pcmtuning
$437 Wiring harness job from Pocket.
$400 in Sensors (O2's, Maf, Coolant, Knock, etc)
$300 Champion Radiator W/ Fans

I know I am forgetting alot of things but thats what just pops into my head off the bat. In the end I have a pretty much stock ready to mod LT1.

Do I regret it? Maybe but driving it this past summer took away my doubt. I know I bought some items that are not really needed like the Alternator and Throttle body and I could of done my own harness and saved a good chunk of change there but with work taking up all of my time it was not an option. Everything has been replaced that I don't want to deal with down the road. I have seen/witnessed many swaps where they took the cheap way out and paid for it down the road and eventually going with better quality parts.

My Swap is basically done but I plan to change up the exhaust to Dyno Don's shorties to Gmmg, Ltcc, 4l60e build up, and eventually the LT1. My 86 will be my summer cruiser. Basically my show off ride that I can drive anywhere without no problems or discomfort. I plan to pickup another thirdgen soon (Looking for a 90 Iroc or Bert) and doing it all over again but LSX powered.

@ V10 if you ever find another set of $50 LT1 Alum heads, let me know. I will gladly pay you double plus shipping.

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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

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Heres what I spent for the swap.

$650 for 88k 97 LT1 W/ Full Accessories, Harness and PCM and was even given the engine stand.
$335 97 4l60e
$150 on Misc items like Gaskets, hoses, clamps, motor mounts, etc
$95 Gm Performance Oil pump & pickup
$250 Gm Performance water pump
$380 GM performance Optispark
$205 Summitracing 52mm TB
$125 Walbro 255
$780 Yank SS3600
$550 Exhaust (Hedman 68469s, Custom Y pipe, Hooker Aerochamber)
$315 Tuff Stuff Alternator 200amp
$76 LT4 Knock Sensor
$66 B&M 70264 Tranny cooler
$30 A/C Delete
$120 Mail order tune from LT1pcmtuning
$437 Wiring harness job from Pocket.
$400 in Sensors (O2's, Maf, Coolant, Knock, etc)
$300 Champion Radiator W/ Fans

I know I am forgetting alot of things but thats most of it. In the end I have a pretty much stock ready to mod LT1.

Do I regret it? Maybe but driving it this past summer took away my doubt. I know I bought some items that are not really needed like the Alternator and Throttle body and I could of done my own harness and saved a good chunk of change there but with work taking up all of my time it was not an option. Everything has been replaced that I don't want to deal with down the road. I have seen/witnessed many swaps where they took the cheap way out and paid for it down the road and eventually going with better quality parts.

My Swap is basically done but I plan to change up the exhaust to Dyno Don's shorties to Gmmg, Ltcc, 4l60e build up, and eventually the LT1.
Wow no offense but you spent a lot! I would never have paid that kind of money on parts. $780 for a Torque converter? I hope that's not right... That's insane...
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http://www.converter.cc/product_p/ss-c5-fslash-lt1.htm

It was the best investment I made for the swap. I did the upgrade on my old TBI setup to a 2200 (Not a Yank) and I was hooked ever since and decided it was gonna be my first investment for my LT1 swap.

I have spent alot and thats just in the drivetrain. Suspension is being finished up right now and Exterior/Interior is next.
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

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Heres what I spent for the swap.

$650 for 88k 97 LT1 W/ Full Accessories, Harness and PCM and was even given the engine stand.
$335 97 4l60e
$150 on Misc items like Gaskets, hoses, clamps, motor mounts, etc
$95 Gm Performance Oil pump & pickup
$250 Gm Performance water pump
$380 GM performance Optispark
$205 Summitracing 52mm TB
$125 Walbro 255
$780 Yank SS3600
$550 Exhaust (Hedman 68469s, Custom Y pipe, Hooker Aerochamber)
$315 Tuff Stuff Alternator 200amp
$76 LT4 Knock Sensor
$66 B&M 70264 Tranny cooler
$30 A/C Delete
$120 Mail order tune from LT1pcmtuning
$437 Wiring harness job from Pocket.
$400 in Sensors (O2's, Maf, Coolant, Knock, etc)
$300 Champion Radiator W/ Fans

I know I am forgetting alot of things but thats what just pops into my head off the bat. In the end I have a pretty much stock ready to mod LT1.

Do I regret it? Maybe but driving it this past summer took away my doubt. I know I bought some items that are not really needed like the Alternator and Throttle body and I could of done my own harness and saved a good chunk of change there but with work taking up all of my time it was not an option. Everything has been replaced that I don't want to deal with down the road. I have seen/witnessed many swaps where they took the cheap way out and paid for it down the road and eventually going with better quality parts.

My Swap is basically done but I plan to change up the exhaust to Dyno Don's shorties to Gmmg, Ltcc, 4l60e build up, and eventually the LT1. My 86 will be my summer cruiser. Basically my show off ride that I can drive anywhere without no problems or discomfort. I plan to pickup another thirdgen soon (Looking for a 90 Iroc or Bert) and doing it all over again but LSX powered.

@ V10 if you ever find another set of $50 LT1 Alum heads, let me know. I will gladly pay you double plus shipping.
Wow, alot of that is way overpriced.
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I should have checked into yank for a convertor. But I am real happy with my edge stall no complaints.
The only thing I see over priced he did on his swap is the water pump and the alternator and the stuff he said he did not need.
This is what I did with my swap also (new sensors,opti ....) I did not know if the motor had any problems and did not want to do it and have to guess at what was wrong.
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I have found many good converters for under $500. Not B&M's either.( Not that they are that bad either) I thought you bought your LT1 engine and tranny for 650... not just the LT1... ouch, I would have only bought them together for that price.
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He's not kidding on the yank viper, that's one of the parts I'm looking as well, it's even the 3600 lol. I'm probably going to try and find a cheaper stall, I can't see spending that much for a converter. But Carlos, I'm getting a complete lt1, motor mounts, computer; harness, and transmission with the radiator, hoses, aluminum driveshaft, and everything I need for under $500
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He's not kidding on the yank viper, that's one of the parts I'm looking as well, it's even the 3600 lol. I'm probably going to try and find a cheaper stall, I can't see spending that much for a converter. But Carlos, I'm getting a complete lt1, motor mounts, computer; harness, and transmission with the radiator, hoses, aluminum driveshaft, and everything I need for under $500

I would never spend almost $800 on a converter unless I'm using it as a track car only and it has an @ss load of power... My buddy has a B&M in his LT1 Caprice and it's held up fine. I think hes got about 50k on it. I think those B&M's are around $250.
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I'm glad I'm going with a T56
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I'm glad I'm going with a T56
x10, there's nothing like rowing the gears yourself through a twisty canyon.
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x10, there's nothing like rowing the gears yourself through a twisty canyon.

I completely agree.
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I would never spend almost $800 on a converter unless I'm using it as a track car only and it has an @ss load of power... My buddy has a B&M in his LT1 Caprice and it's held up fine. I think hes got about 50k on it. I think those B&M's are around $250.

How is the driveability? My friend with his 00 SS had a B&M and then went to the Yank 4000 after driving in mine.

Just driving characteristics are night and day. Just looking at the converters inside and out tells the whole story. Theres a reason why everyone goes with Vigilante, Edge, Yank, Circle D and its not because they just want the sticker for their cars.

Then again I am not surprised people would want an inferior product just to save a quick buck. Nothing surprising from TGO.
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How is the driveability? My friend with his 00 SS had a B&M and then went to the Yank 4000 after driving in mine.

Just driving characteristics are night and day. Just looking at the converters inside and out tells the whole story. Theres a reason why everyone goes with Vigilante, Edge, Yank, Circle D and its not because they just want the sticker for their cars.

Then again I am not surprised people would want an inferior product just to save a quick buck. Nothing surprising from TGO.

Can't really call a product inferior if there is nothing wrong with it. Works great and I have rode in the car many many times. Maybe it's a cheaper design but hey it works just fine. I still would never spend that kind of money on a converter... that's crazy...
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You get what you pay for.
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You get what you pay for.

With most things yes. I'll bet the B&M doesn't act much different than your $780 one...
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''Bet'' is a fine used word there. If you were local I would be gladly offer up my 86 for you to test against a B&M opposite. Go ask anyone who has went with a reputable converter or in your case one over $400~ and suggest why didn't just go with a $250 one. Lets see the responses you get.

Its one of those things you have to experience to get the doubtfulness out.

Yes alot of things that are cheap will ''Get the job done''. I don't go by that logic as you can see.

Lets get this thread back on track since I see ourselfs going on and on what can get the job done for less money.

So, Overall I am very happy with my LT1 swap. Will I do another swap soon? Depends if its just a bare bones swap. If not, then no its not my top choice again. I started the swap on a strict budget, a budget where I would have the mentallity to spend my money on lesser quality parts just to get it over with it and as time went by my budget got eliminated but I decided to finish the swap. Swaps in general will not be inexpensive if you go through everything to make sure it will last and will be in working order when you decide to take that long trip or drive it hard the next summer. Which is my plan for 2012. Lets see how the trusty LT1 does. Only time will tell.
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Reading all of these responses makes me eager to get my LT1/4L60e project going. Although it won't be going in my IROC but in my '87 Monte Carlo SS, instead. I bought a wrecked (front end damage) '95 Z28 for $400...the whole car. I plan to rebuild both the LT1 and the tranny. I've learned a lot from these forums. Thanks guys!

Now, I just have to sell off parts from that '95 Z28!
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Good luck and have fun. The swap is very good if you get a good deal.

I wish I could score like you guys. Closest for me was a LT1/T56 side swiped Z28 for $1000 but me deciding to wait til the weekend made me miss it.
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Thanks Carlos. I plan to completely go through my Monte and do a complete restoration. I wanted to go fuel injection but not have to mess with TPI. Don't get me wrong, I love my '89 IROC but it does have limitations. I didn't want the expense of going the LS route, so that naturally lead me to the LT1.
I know I will still drop a pretty penny doing just that but I want to keep within $15K. I know how expensive things can get and in a hurry...my biggest money pit is my 1977 Trans Am SE!
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No such thing as money pits if done right. If you want something good that will last, it will cost $.

I am already planning another project since the 86 is pretty much done.
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Re: LT1 swap, how happy are you?

Doing things right is what has driven up the cost on the Trans Am. I agree with you but I just hope I won't spend as much when time comes for the Monte.



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