you have proof of this 270ish rwhp?

270 @ the wheels = about 325 flywheel no?
That's a pretty strong LT1 if that's the case.

Well bring it on up to my neck of the woods, I figure I can toss that in with your fluid check

Since I'm Italian as well "Fuggedaboutit"

he's just wishful thinking

No, all LT1s will make about 305 at the flywheel bone stock. Do a little backwards math using M6 drivetrain loss numbers (11%-15% compared to 18%-20% for an A4). It's right around 270. That's why I said 270ish because i don't know exact numbers, but she's definetly healthy and running where she should be.

One would think you guys would be a little bit smarter.. or maybe you're just smartasses ...or maybe just dumbasses

You've got the drivetrain losses right, but your factory hp #'s wrong I think.

All LT1's making 305? nahh.
They started with 275 in 1993 and ended with 285 in 1997.
So my math says 250 at the wheels, tops.

I had the same thinking as del. i heard 280 stock.. and stock ratings were flywheel. not at the rubberwheel.

Horsepower bench racing, wah hoo.

You enjoying my lashing out on 3GO Travis?
I guess I'm asking for it.
Slow weekend, hah.

im watching the thread lol.

haha. i don't give a fawk.
I haven't had an Internet gangbang on me before, pretty amusing.
The whole damn forum is attempting to take a poke.

im scared to reply any more then i already have.

nah, stay out of it.
i like being the center of internet attention.
i don't need internet backup, lol.
these guys don't know me or need to.

oh i wasnt gonna be posting to talk ****. i try to post over thier only if i really feel i have something to contribute. unlike here.

kinda backwards huh?

yep, they're a fun bunch of faqs.
i can take it, and dish it out.
a shame they can't.

they started a new thread with your name in it!!! they love you over thier.

what can i say, i'm charasmatic for an a$$.
the one's with half a brain know i'm old school and probably have seen me around.
gotta earn respect sometimes.

Actually you're completely wrong del. Every LT1 without exception made just about 305 HP and dyno between 260 and 270 to the ground, the higher numbers being M6 cars. There is NO difference between a 1993 LT1 and a '97 SS LT1 (which was correctly rated at 305). Go ahead and go check LS1tech or CamaroZ28. LT1s were under-rated just like LS1s were (rated 305 hp, put 305 to the ground on average). I've owned two LT1 cars now, I've done my research. Do some of your own research, then get back to me

In fact to start you off, here's a '97 Trans Am. Stock with a K&N filter, then back to back with an underdrive pulley.

Thats a 96 TA

do some more research every lt1 is not the same.

i need more popcorn. How to determine my flywheel numbers?

I've owned two of these, have you ever even ridden in one?

The only difference between years of the fbody is the dual cat setup. In 95 dual cats were standard on CA cars, in 96 they became standard on all cars. They claimed it added hp, however dyno results show it didn't do jack and the cars still dynoed the same. There was also a very SLIGHT change in the camshafts in 96/97 cars to help them adjust to smog requirements. It is not enough to make a noticable difference anywhere.

Just going off of memory I believe the cam specs are as follows:

1993-1995 Y-body, F-body: 202/207 450/460 116
1996 Y-body, 1996-1997 F-body: 200/207 447/459 117

It's a '96 TA M6 car, I own a '97 Z28 M6 car. They're the exact same car, what's your point?

You said it was a 97.. just pointing out that it was a different car then what you said it was
So what you said it was.. and what you showed were two different cars

woah there cowboy, slow down, haha.
i know you're the man when it comes to LT1's, but saying i'm completely wrong is a loaded statement.

of course we all know a lot of LS1's and I suppose LT1's are known to dyno at different numbers than advertised, but back to my original statement. ..

yes or no, were the gm factory specs for the 93-95 LT1 275 and 96-97 were 285?
(excluding z28/ss, which there aren't many, 2000ish?)

i have no doubts you've seen your share of nice dyno sheets and that yours could pull a nice # as well, but i'm more about the fact, so let's see your baby pull that 270 next month.

just for fun though, i grabbed this quote from a member off norcal ls1/lt1, seems he has seen different lt1's.

every lt1 without exception making 300 flywheel?
hmm, dunno, just clarifyin' what i do know and stated before.

damn drivetrain loss lol.

I've ridden and driven plenty of lt1 cars C4's, b-bodys, f-bodys, even an lt1 RX7. and plenty have seen my taillights.

you said every LT1 was the same, now you say they had different cams

Jesus.

Think hard about the '97 SS and the '97 Z28. What are their differences? The Z28 was rated at 285, the SS at 305. The differences were suspension, looks and the hood scoop that didn't even work because it looped over the top of the manifold and got heat soaked. The reason the SS is rated at 305 is because it got a CORRECT rating.

Go look in this thread:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303172

There are sooo many people dynoing 270+ in M6 cars it's not even funny.

If you want to continue this arguement, read through that thread first then come back.

wow Del, that was pretty interesting. I guess you were fairly bored eh?!
Its nice that the site is up now isn't it.

yeah, i was just amusing myself and in a mood, hah.
felt like lighting a few fires under their a$$es.

no worries tony, you have a nice low mile LT1 now, so let's just see what it does on the dyno before it gets too many mods.

i see some good #'s on that link, but i also see a lot of inconsistency.

There are a couple low dynos, but for the most part M6 cars are dynoing 270+.

All it takes is a CAI, LTs, catback and tuning and an M6 LT1 car can put 290+ to the rear.

There's always freaks, good and bad. My old car was a freak, dynoed very high. I expect to put down about 270 with the catback, I'll be happy if I do.

so all it takes on avg is cai, lt's and full exhaust, estimated about 1500 dollars, and you have a nice 20hp ?

When the iroc is ready, ill put a minimum of 400 to the wheel. (on just motor)

I have an idea, everyone needs to get the fu*k out of my thread and take this somewhere else. You all are a bunch of post ****** and thread highjackers.

your ideas suck

screw you bish, no one asked your opinion, now die!

tony lt1's are slow face it

my stock iroc smoked one it was fun it was a stock lt1 6speed, took it by a car length it was cool doing 120 down florin perkins hahaha

at the end he had the nerve to say why didnt you convert to lt1 too? thats when terrell and i said "i beat you didnt i"

and then you started to mod your car and look where it got you today.

ha ha, face it eric, you are a hack and have no room to talk.