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Well its hard to say without toque numbers, rpms, trans, toque converter, tires. Do you have the dyno sheet? And is 370 to the wheel?
I will generalize and say high12s with decent traction, decent track conditions, 700r4, with an appropriate torque converter.
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I will generalize and say high12s with decent traction, decent track conditions, 700r4, with an appropriate torque converter.
Give us details
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700r4 Tranny with a 2800 stall. Auburn posi with 3.73's. 255 street tires, around 350+ torque on a nice 85 degree summer day..... Megashifter, flowmaster catback, hooker supercomp headers. What about that?
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Dragsim says with 370hp at the crank, good launch, and decent street tires, 12.7-12.8, low 12s with drag radials. Are those numbers at the wheels, or at the crank, and what rpm are they making peak at? I have hp at 5800rpm and torque at 3800 rpm.
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id say low 14`s high 13`s.
there is no way 370 hp at the crank will get u in the 12.7`s in a stock chasis.Dragsims need rear wheel horsepower not crank.
Dragsim says with 370hp at the crank, good launch, and decent street tires, 12.7-12.8, low 12s with drag radials. Are those numbers at the wheels, or at the crank, and what rpm are they making peak at? I have hp at 5800rpm and torque at 3800 rpm.
Not trying to argue but 370 will easily get 12's in a effecient car.
We are talking 370 real HP - not the 400 HP that every guy in his hot rod says he has.
According to corral 370 Flywheel will get you 12.41 @ 109 in a 3600 lb car.. That is assuming traction and converter/driver is good.
My Camaro before charging it ran 12.0 @ 114 with just under 400
HP. 3300 lb car.
I have found corral to be very accurate to with in 1/10 of a second on my vehicles.
By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse?
We are talking 370 real HP - not the 400 HP that every guy in his hot rod says he has.
According to corral 370 Flywheel will get you 12.41 @ 109 in a 3600 lb car.. That is assuming traction and converter/driver is good.
My Camaro before charging it ran 12.0 @ 114 with just under 400
HP. 3300 lb car.
I have found corral to be very accurate to with in 1/10 of a second on my vehicles.
By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse?
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I dunno if it helps, but 10.1:1 compression ratio on 93 pump gas....edelbrock torquer plus cam, hyper pistons, 1.6 roller rockers, edelbrock 750CFM carb, edelbrock Performer RPM intake....
Originally posted by 87_TA
Not trying to argue but 370 will easily get 12's in a effecient car.
We are talking 370 real HP - not the 400 HP that every guy in his hot rod says he has.
According to corral 370 Flywheel will get you 12.41 @ 109 in a 3600 lb car.. That is assuming traction and converter/driver is good.
My Camaro before charging it ran 12.0 @ 114 with just under 400
HP. 3300 lb car.
I have found corral to be very accurate to with in 1/10 of a second on my vehicles.
By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse?
Not trying to argue but 370 will easily get 12's in a effecient car.
We are talking 370 real HP - not the 400 HP that every guy in his hot rod says he has.
According to corral 370 Flywheel will get you 12.41 @ 109 in a 3600 lb car.. That is assuming traction and converter/driver is good.
My Camaro before charging it ran 12.0 @ 114 with just under 400
HP. 3300 lb car.
I have found corral to be very accurate to with in 1/10 of a second on my vehicles.
By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse?
i also not trying to start an argument but u contradicted yourself.
first u say its easy to run 12`s with 370 flywheel hp.but then u say"By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse" so 230+140=370hp, and u only ran 13.7.
the answer to the question above is i dont think u gained 140 hp from those mods.I do believe in that it that a certain power to weight ratio to get X et and X mph.
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Altitude of the track? Temperature, barometric pressure and humidity at time of run? Head wind?
Dyno HP is a corrected hp to a standard day at sea level. That doesn't mean that's what's going to get to the tires at the dragstrip. Dyno hp means you can compare you dyno numbers with anyone else in the country no matter where they live. A 12 second car in Denver is a lot faster than a 12 second car in Florida because in Denver it needs a lot more hp to be able to run 12 seconds.
I'm not sure how high Chicago is but if you went to Denver, you'd only have a 450 hp 13 second car but if you went to Florida, you'd probably be very close to 11's.
The different altitudes plus the affect from weather conditions determine how much hp the engine will make.
Dyno HP is a corrected hp to a standard day at sea level. That doesn't mean that's what's going to get to the tires at the dragstrip. Dyno hp means you can compare you dyno numbers with anyone else in the country no matter where they live. A 12 second car in Denver is a lot faster than a 12 second car in Florida because in Denver it needs a lot more hp to be able to run 12 seconds.
I'm not sure how high Chicago is but if you went to Denver, you'd only have a 450 hp 13 second car but if you went to Florida, you'd probably be very close to 11's.
The different altitudes plus the affect from weather conditions determine how much hp the engine will make.
Originally posted by Stephen 87 IROC
Altitude of the track? Temperature, barometric pressure and humidity at time of run? Head wind?
Dyno HP is a corrected hp to a standard day at sea level. That doesn't mean that's what's going to get to the tires at the dragstrip. Dyno hp means you can compare you dyno numbers with anyone else in the country no matter where they live. A 12 second car in Denver is a lot faster than a 12 second car in Florida because in Denver it needs a lot more hp to be able to run 12 seconds.
I'm not sure how high Chicago is but if you went to Denver, you'd only have a 450 hp 13 second car but if you went to Florida, you'd probably be very close to 11's.
The different altitudes plus the affect from weather conditions determine how much hp the engine will make.
Altitude of the track? Temperature, barometric pressure and humidity at time of run? Head wind?
Dyno HP is a corrected hp to a standard day at sea level. That doesn't mean that's what's going to get to the tires at the dragstrip. Dyno hp means you can compare you dyno numbers with anyone else in the country no matter where they live. A 12 second car in Denver is a lot faster than a 12 second car in Florida because in Denver it needs a lot more hp to be able to run 12 seconds.
I'm not sure how high Chicago is but if you went to Denver, you'd only have a 450 hp 13 second car but if you went to Florida, you'd probably be very close to 11's.
The different altitudes plus the affect from weather conditions determine how much hp the engine will make.
the track i go to has a barometric pressure 29.81 right now.im not sure how high the track is id guess around 600 feet.i visited this track 3 times this year and trapped always around 106-107.
Dragsim takes flywheel horsepower. Low 14s is like 270
fwhp.
fwhp.
i also not trying to start an argument but u contradicted yourself.
first u say its easy to run 12`s with 370 flywheel hp.but then u say"By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse" so 230+140=370hp, and u only ran 13.7.
first u say its easy to run 12`s with 370 flywheel hp.but then u say"By the way my T/A with only exhaust/ headers and BFG drags
went 13.7 when it was stock. Do you think those 2 things added
140 HP over my stock 230 horse" so 230+140=370hp, and u only ran 13.7.
Thats my point! It wasn't.
Why are you trapping 106? Could be many things.
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Originally posted by daverr
rearwheel horsepower is what moves u.using flywheel hp numbers leaves out alot of the variables like driveline,accessories,etc.
rearwheel horsepower is what moves u.using flywheel hp numbers leaves out alot of the variables like driveline,accessories,etc.
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Originally posted by daverr
id say low 14`s high 13`s.
there is no way 370 hp at the crank will get u in the 12.7`s in a stock chasis.Dragsims need rear wheel horsepower not crank.
id say low 14`s high 13`s.
there is no way 370 hp at the crank will get u in the 12.7`s in a stock chasis.Dragsims need rear wheel horsepower not crank.
Originally posted by daverr
the track i go to has a barometric pressure 29.81 right now.im not sure how high the track is id guess around 600 feet.i visited this track 3 times this year and trapped always around 106-107.
rearwheel horsepower is what moves u.using flywheel hp numbers leaves out alot of the variables like driveline,accessories,etc.
the track i go to has a barometric pressure 29.81 right now.im not sure how high the track is id guess around 600 feet.i visited this track 3 times this year and trapped always around 106-107.
rearwheel horsepower is what moves u.using flywheel hp numbers leaves out alot of the variables like driveline,accessories,etc.
Search under "density altitude calculator" and see what your track conditions are - or next time you are there ask someone w/a weather hand held weather station what the DA is??
Keep in mind a naturally asperated car losses approx. 5 % HP per 1000 feet above sea level.
My tracks alititude is 1400 FT, Most of the time DA is 2500ft+
DA=Corrected altitude
And like Stephen 87 said alot of dyno will give corrected HP for
sea level @ 70* and 15% humidity.
Also keep in mind that there are more determining factors than DA
like humidity - Which does not effect DA that much but will effect
ET alot. Also keep in mind that alot of dyno operators out there that you cannot trust. - ALOT!
Meeklay, Not sure if you are using stock heads? but if you are you will be a little hard pressed to pull 370 - Not saying you can not because its very obtainable.. But you will be hard pressed to.
Stock 881 casting flow in the neiborhood of 195 CFM - so with
a extremely effecient combo @ 2HP per CFM thats 390 HP that they can support.
Last edited by 87_TA; Sep 16, 2004 at 03:38 PM.
Originally posted by 87_TA
Daverr,
Search under "density altitude calculator" and see what your track conditions are - or next time you are there ask someone w/a weather hand held weather station what the DA is??
Keep in mind a naturally asperated car losses approx. 5 % HP per 1000 feet above sea level.
Daverr,
Search under "density altitude calculator" and see what your track conditions are - or next time you are there ask someone w/a weather hand held weather station what the DA is??
Keep in mind a naturally asperated car losses approx. 5 % HP per 1000 feet above sea level.
ok i checked the current conditions at the track i go to.right its 59 degrees F , 75 percent relative humidity,and 30.02 pressure.they have a DA calculator on the web site ,so todays condition calculates to 67 feet.
I ran 12's with a 330 horsepower crate motor. Its about power to weight and how you use that power.
Last edited by daverr; Sep 16, 2004 at 08:19 PM.
Originally posted by daverr
ok i checked the current conditions at the track i go to.right its 59 degrees F , 75 percent relative humidity,and 30.02 pressure.they have a DA calculator on the web site ,so todays condition calculates to 67 feet.
i guess im not using my horsepower right .u have to be making more than 330 hp to go 12`s.or your car is really light.
ok i checked the current conditions at the track i go to.right its 59 degrees F , 75 percent relative humidity,and 30.02 pressure.they have a DA calculator on the web site ,so todays condition calculates to 67 feet.
i guess im not using my horsepower right .u have to be making more than 330 hp to go 12`s.or your car is really light.
A vehicle weighing 3500 lbs making 323 HP can go 12.9 @ 105
according to corral.
I have a friend who can back that up, His 93 mustang made 254 HP@ wheels, Trapped 104 running 12.89 3250 lbs w/driver.
Bone stock engine, Just headers/ exhaust/ pullies ect. and alot of chassis wiork.
Was trying to beat record of 12.6 in a stock 5.0 but could never get his 60ft down to where it needed to be, or the sea level air where the record was made.
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Trouble is it can also be too cold. Once the temperature gets below the mid 60's the track starts to get cold. A cold track is just as bad as a very hot track. Although the conditions may be fantastic, the track can be too cold to hook up all that extra hp.
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I made 272rwhp and went 12.6 @ 106 on a bone stock suspension at 3200+ lbs. Im sure the car has a 12.4 in i in cool weather and the mph staying around 107-108 as it was last event!




