a new look
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Car: 1984 Camaro
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/4.30
Re: a new look
Just be sure to use aftermarket improved parts. My stock Ford 9" caps exploded and ruined everything in the diff...and that was just with a stock internal LS1 and stiff wall slicks. (4.11 gears)

Also, I'm not really sure in the real world the power loss of the 9" is significant enough to even matter. My best trap was 116 which is pretty dang good given only bolt ons with the LS.

Also, I'm not really sure in the real world the power loss of the 9" is significant enough to even matter. My best trap was 116 which is pretty dang good given only bolt ons with the LS.
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From: Harford County, MD
Car: camaro sportcoupe
Engine: 7.0L
Transmission: G-Force GF5R
Axle/Gears: Moser 9"
Re: a new look
yup. i'm running a stock nodular case with billet caps, so hopefully that won't happen...but the six speed is a new venture, and that case has probably 1000+ passes, all faster than 1.60 sixty. only a matter of time before i'm looking for a thru bolt case.
Re: a new look
i have a moser aluminum thru bolt case with less than 50 passes on it. i'll sell it for $300. it has 3.062" bearings, and i am going to have to move up to the 3.25" case for the new spool/axles.
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Joined: Jun 2002
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From: Harford County, MD
Car: camaro sportcoupe
Engine: 7.0L
Transmission: G-Force GF5R
Axle/Gears: Moser 9"
Re: a new look
that's a killer deal. i'll let ya know if i can do that.
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From: Macon, GA
Car: 1992 Camaro RS
Engine: Vortec headed 355, xe262
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt 3.70
Re: a new look
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Joined: Jun 2002
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From: Harford County, MD
Car: camaro sportcoupe
Engine: 7.0L
Transmission: G-Force GF5R
Axle/Gears: Moser 9"
Re: a new look
i really don't like that they didn't use the same gear ratio stock to 9"/s60 for that comparison....
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
Car: 89 RS
Engine: 305
Transmission: th350
Re: a new look
I have a couple problems with that comparison. First they only compared peak horsepower/torque numbers, I would rather see the whole graph. Second if both the stock rear and a 9" are both in motion it takes very little power to keep it moving at that same speed. I'm more concerned in the rate of acceleration loss becaus that's where the real comparison is. They would have had to use the same car and same conditions to be a more accurate test. If you take the same rear out of a 12 second car and put it into a 9 second car you will see a lot more power loss in the second car even though nothin changed in the rear, your just trying to move the same weight at a lot higher rate of acelleration.
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From: Orland Park, IL
Car: 1984 Z28
Engine: SLOW carbed ls
Transmission: TH400 with brake, 8" PTC converter
Axle/Gears: moser 9" 4.11
Re: a new look
a magazine did a test a few years ago with converting for weather conditions over the course of a day and ran a 12 bolt, 9" and dana 60 and they all were within .08 of each other in a 10 second car.
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From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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From: Orland Park, IL
Car: 1984 Z28
Engine: SLOW carbed ls
Transmission: TH400 with brake, 8" PTC converter
Axle/Gears: moser 9" 4.11
Re: a new look
Hot rod did it a few years ago. 12 bolt and 9" were really close. Dana was the slowest from what I remember
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From: p'cola FL
Car: 88 iroc-z/28
Engine: 408 lsx
Transmission: 5800 stall
Axle/Gears: 4.71
Re: a new look
oh your case failed nicely. mine exploded into 19 pieces. ill have to find pics. took out my driveshaft, yoke, broke my tranny and neeed new bearings in my converter too.
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From: Hou. TX
Car: 86 TA, 91 B4C
Engine: 5.3, 4.8
Transmission: 4L80 4000, T56
Axle/Gears: 4.30 M12, 23.42 10 bolt
Re: a new look
I remember the 12v9vs60 and it was nice to see them use the same car.
Re: a new look
I've actually run all three rears(60, 12-bolt & 9"), if the 12 ever fails me in the Camaro I will likely go to an S60 simply from a cost-vs-strength stand-point. - Depending on which engine combo & class we often have to run some ballast any way, thus it doesn't matter much.







