Dynos vs Track testing race-video proof
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moved to theratical& street racing, seems this belongs there more than here.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PhantomTPI:
"*******"....haaaaaahaaaaaaa
LOLOLOL How many of the three brain cells you have did you use to think up that one? No s*** Sherlock, tips dont constitute a "built up" exhaust. But let me ask this..even if i had ONLY these here "ghetto cannons" on there, would that be stock? Meaning, would it have come from the factory that way? That isnt in the original intended factory/make/model design, therefore its NOT stock. So your "stock engine" claim is total horses**t, and has no credibility. IF those are the only mods to the motor(which i doubt), then no, the engine would not be "built up." But its not stock either. BTW...read your post again...i am not talking about the car, i am talking about the motor. I already proved my point with the car.
If every TA made in 98 came with aftermarket headers, pulleys, nitrous, exhaust cut-out, and whatever other mods you dont wish to talk about, then you can claim your "stock-ness." People would actually believe you then, and in effect of people believing what you say, and you having credibility instead of being viewed as a deceptive con arguing a point that he knows has no backbone to support the claims he makes, while trying to fool people to believe something that isn't true, this thread wouldn't have to end up in such a manner.
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"*******"....haaaaaahaaaaaaa
LOLOLOL How many of the three brain cells you have did you use to think up that one? No s*** Sherlock, tips dont constitute a "built up" exhaust. But let me ask this..even if i had ONLY these here "ghetto cannons" on there, would that be stock? Meaning, would it have come from the factory that way? That isnt in the original intended factory/make/model design, therefore its NOT stock. So your "stock engine" claim is total horses**t, and has no credibility. IF those are the only mods to the motor(which i doubt), then no, the engine would not be "built up." But its not stock either. BTW...read your post again...i am not talking about the car, i am talking about the motor. I already proved my point with the car. If every TA made in 98 came with aftermarket headers, pulleys, nitrous, exhaust cut-out, and whatever other mods you dont wish to talk about, then you can claim your "stock-ness." People would actually believe you then, and in effect of people believing what you say, and you having credibility instead of being viewed as a deceptive con arguing a point that he knows has no backbone to support the claims he makes, while trying to fool people to believe something that isn't true, this thread wouldn't have to end up in such a manner.
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...............asp pulley------$140
...............mac headers-----$480
...............used air lid----$75
........used wheels and tires--$700
...............cutout----------$29
...............total price.....$1874
Thats good enough for 12.21@111mph and yes that was with 290ish rwhp with a race weight of 3400lbs.
To the little beeotchh that said we where gay. Just because i reject that scank you call a mother doesnt make me gay.
Stock motored racing (tm*)
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11.29@118mph on the crack
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">let's see:
292 RWHP vs 470 RWHP
2.73 gears + auto vs 3.73 gears +6-speed
they both ran identical E.T. street tires</font>
292 RWHP vs 470 RWHP
2.73 gears + auto vs 3.73 gears +6-speed
they both ran identical E.T. street tires</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Racing tech brought to you by the ODB</font>
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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads, Comp custom grind roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 800 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET: *NEW ENGINE* untried at track!!
89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock
New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9
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[This message has been edited by Basett Racing (edited May 12, 2001).]
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To TA2slow1
You attain that your engine is stock, and what I consider a stock engine is one that has no internal modications, which is what you claim and I have no reason to doubt you.
That is a very repectable time for your set-up. But like you stated, your car ran a 12.21 with no nitrous, and the OBD implied that I car with 292 RWHP ran 11.4, that is what all the uproar is really about. If you read his original post, and didn't have any other info about your car, you would think the same thing we did. You know the car, because, well its yours
!! but we don't. We are used to these kinds of posts by the OBD. Well, tired, I should say. But that other car, for whatever reason is not running to its full potential. Whether it be driver, tuning or whatever. I guarantee you give me car 6 speed car making 470RWHP with a good set of slicks, and I'll get it much lower than 12.40's How is he launching the car?? Is he powershifting it?? I am just curious as to why it isn't running any faster. its NOT too much gear and its NOT that a centrifugal supercharger is no good, there are several Vortec and Procharger SC'ed LTI and LSI Camaro/Firebirds around here in my area running faster than both of you not to mention about all the Paxton, ProCharger and Vortec SC'ed Mustangs around here running 8's, 9's and 10's - yes, sad, but true. I'd just like to know why that car is so slow. But anyway, I have nothing against you, and respect your cars performance. I really have nothing against the OBD personally, I just get tired of reading his "ALL-KNOWING, You all could learn how to make your cars go fast if you just listen to me" style posts. I have never learned anything from any of his posts. I learn from working on and racing my cars. I also learn a lot about my RS (the fuel injection stuff) from the guys on the TBI board that race and work on their cars. I have always raced carbs, but my get around town, looks much faster than it really is, 25 mpg car is has TBI, and by tweaking, tuning the car, meaning gears, Vette Servo, exhaust and ignition and a little help on the EFI system, which I didn't know much about, I've been able to take a car that ran 15.80's stock to 14.90's with no internal engine mods. Is that fast?? Hell no. Is it more fun to drive and feel much faster? Yes. And like I said it gets 25 MPG, looks good, sounds good and keeps a lot of mileage off my new Z71. My point is, just because you came to this board under fire because what someone else said about your car, don't hold it against everyone. There are some really great guys here, and pretty much most people welcome new members. Just in the future, I would recommend YOU doing your own talking instead of letting OBD get you in fight
Later
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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads, Comp custom grind roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 800 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET: *NEW ENGINE* untried at track!!
89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock
New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9
Bassett Racing
Mid Atlantic F Body -82 Z28 Page
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You attain that your engine is stock, and what I consider a stock engine is one that has no internal modications, which is what you claim and I have no reason to doubt you.
That is a very repectable time for your set-up. But like you stated, your car ran a 12.21 with no nitrous, and the OBD implied that I car with 292 RWHP ran 11.4, that is what all the uproar is really about. If you read his original post, and didn't have any other info about your car, you would think the same thing we did. You know the car, because, well its yours
!! but we don't. We are used to these kinds of posts by the OBD. Well, tired, I should say. But that other car, for whatever reason is not running to its full potential. Whether it be driver, tuning or whatever. I guarantee you give me car 6 speed car making 470RWHP with a good set of slicks, and I'll get it much lower than 12.40's How is he launching the car?? Is he powershifting it?? I am just curious as to why it isn't running any faster. its NOT too much gear and its NOT that a centrifugal supercharger is no good, there are several Vortec and Procharger SC'ed LTI and LSI Camaro/Firebirds around here in my area running faster than both of you not to mention about all the Paxton, ProCharger and Vortec SC'ed Mustangs around here running 8's, 9's and 10's - yes, sad, but true. I'd just like to know why that car is so slow. But anyway, I have nothing against you, and respect your cars performance. I really have nothing against the OBD personally, I just get tired of reading his "ALL-KNOWING, You all could learn how to make your cars go fast if you just listen to me" style posts. I have never learned anything from any of his posts. I learn from working on and racing my cars. I also learn a lot about my RS (the fuel injection stuff) from the guys on the TBI board that race and work on their cars. I have always raced carbs, but my get around town, looks much faster than it really is, 25 mpg car is has TBI, and by tweaking, tuning the car, meaning gears, Vette Servo, exhaust and ignition and a little help on the EFI system, which I didn't know much about, I've been able to take a car that ran 15.80's stock to 14.90's with no internal engine mods. Is that fast?? Hell no. Is it more fun to drive and feel much faster? Yes. And like I said it gets 25 MPG, looks good, sounds good and keeps a lot of mileage off my new Z71. My point is, just because you came to this board under fire because what someone else said about your car, don't hold it against everyone. There are some really great guys here, and pretty much most people welcome new members. Just in the future, I would recommend YOU doing your own talking instead of letting OBD get you in fight Later
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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads, Comp custom grind roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 800 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET: *NEW ENGINE* untried at track!!
89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock
New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9
Bassett Racing
Mid Atlantic F Body -82 Z28 Page
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Track racing not street, sorry gotta go to the track board, and STOCK means NO mods not lil homemade nitrous and convertor etc. no matter how you put it, you lied in the orig. post.
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TA2slow1,
I'm only going to say this once. Whether you agree or disagree with the people who are calling you and ODB on some **** talking, you will respect this site or you won't be on it. Your first post ever and you fling out trash talk about the people here and how GAY they are. Not a good way to start out. Keep it clean and mature.
I'm only going to say this once. Whether you agree or disagree with the people who are calling you and ODB on some **** talking, you will respect this site or you won't be on it. Your first post ever and you fling out trash talk about the people here and how GAY they are. Not a good way to start out. Keep it clean and mature.
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New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9 ??
Besset Racing? if this is the kind of performance that place cranks out then it and you are a joke. Why don't you stop being a bitch and shut up?
and what about this other world-beater you're building. Why not run it at the track since it's been open for months now? hiding from embarrassment?
I never hid anything about nitrous on Shawn's car.. it's posted on this board and all over the streetracer board that I referenced in my original post. Get over it bitch. I didn't have to say anything to make his car look good... all I needed to do was post the link to the video and it says everything.
I was a little bit off on a few details, but there is more to it that equals things out. I didn't count wheels & tires in the cash amount invested mods. Both cars had the same rear tires. But I stand corrected about Chris' car.. it has closer to $18,000 in modifications. Shawn can run 12.2 all night in crap air and easy elevens in good air. He would've obviously beat the incredible supercharged vorturd machine even on the motor so why bother arguing the point of him using nitrous? You are just being a little bitch like I already said.
ok ok here's another detail that I DID leave out about that race. Chris (vorturd) and his enterage of cronies put icewater in the aftercooler, iced down the engine, and pushed it all the way through the staging line at the track before this run.
Chris did NOT do this at the dyno when pulled 488rwhp.
So now take this important detail and smoke it. If you can't learn anything from my post then that doesn't say much about your ability for deduction.
The more people that don't listen to what I say the better because it's much easier to beat those people... like yourself Mr Besset racing. When are you coming to get some?
I will race you with my dodge omni, bitch.
The ODB
Besset Racing? if this is the kind of performance that place cranks out then it and you are a joke. Why don't you stop being a bitch and shut up?
and what about this other world-beater you're building. Why not run it at the track since it's been open for months now? hiding from embarrassment?
I never hid anything about nitrous on Shawn's car.. it's posted on this board and all over the streetracer board that I referenced in my original post. Get over it bitch. I didn't have to say anything to make his car look good... all I needed to do was post the link to the video and it says everything.
I was a little bit off on a few details, but there is more to it that equals things out. I didn't count wheels & tires in the cash amount invested mods. Both cars had the same rear tires. But I stand corrected about Chris' car.. it has closer to $18,000 in modifications. Shawn can run 12.2 all night in crap air and easy elevens in good air. He would've obviously beat the incredible supercharged vorturd machine even on the motor so why bother arguing the point of him using nitrous? You are just being a little bitch like I already said.
ok ok here's another detail that I DID leave out about that race. Chris (vorturd) and his enterage of cronies put icewater in the aftercooler, iced down the engine, and pushed it all the way through the staging line at the track before this run.
Chris did NOT do this at the dyno when pulled 488rwhp.
So now take this important detail and smoke it. If you can't learn anything from my post then that doesn't say much about your ability for deduction.
The more people that don't listen to what I say the better because it's much easier to beat those people... like yourself Mr Besset racing. When are you coming to get some?
I will race you with my dodge omni, bitch.
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Do you have one person on this board that agrees with the manner of your original post?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The ODB:
I was a little bit off on a few details, </font>
I was a little bit off on a few details, </font>
Old Dirty Bastard,I dont know what your deal is,but it seems like you posted just to rile everyone up.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You pompous *** ! You think we read every post you make? LOL I can't believe you are SO ARROGANT to think that we should KNOW THAT SHAWN RUNS NITROUS!
ODB you are worse than than Bill Clinton. You believe your own lies. You said in your first post that Shawn ran 11.4 with 292rwhp. Stop denying it.
The point is NOT what his car ran. The point is YOU SAID IT RAN 11.4 with 292rwhp, which is complete bull. Stop rationalizing your lies and come clean. He didn't run 11.4 with 292rwhp. It was more like 292 + nitrous.
ODB, for the final time the whole uproar is not about how fast shawns car is.
The uproar is about how you tried to mislead us to believe shawn made the run with 292rwhp.
[This message has been edited by Brent (edited May 13, 2001).]
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I never hid anything about nitrous on Shawn's car.. it's posted on this board and all over the streetracer board that I referenced in my original post. </font>
I never hid anything about nitrous on Shawn's car.. it's posted on this board and all over the streetracer board that I referenced in my original post. </font>
ODB you are worse than than Bill Clinton. You believe your own lies. You said in your first post that Shawn ran 11.4 with 292rwhp. Stop denying it.
The point is NOT what his car ran. The point is YOU SAID IT RAN 11.4 with 292rwhp, which is complete bull. Stop rationalizing your lies and come clean. He didn't run 11.4 with 292rwhp. It was more like 292 + nitrous.
ODB, for the final time the whole uproar is not about how fast shawns car is.
The uproar is about how you tried to mislead us to believe shawn made the run with 292rwhp.
[This message has been edited by Brent (edited May 13, 2001).]
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