Question for all of you Crew Members, would it bother anyone if up here in the interior of BC, Canada. If I extend the offering of joining the Cascade Crew to 1st - 4th Gen owners of Camaro & Firebirds.. Since our cars are not made anymore. Thought it would be a good idea to welcome in everyone to help show support for our cars. so here is a poll for it..

 

I'm not from Canada, but I'll share my view with you. I'm game and support it because I belong to The Columbia River Camaro Club, all Camaros, all generations and it's a fun group! Most of them own other GM products, such as Corvettes, or other sport cars too. A while back our club had seriously discussed joining a NW Firebird club to get our membership numbers up.

All that matters is the support and camraderie between the folks and to show mutual respect to the owners of the cars for their choice of cars.

Here's the link to our club:CRCC

 

I'll share my views as wel. While It's nota big deal if you do, part of this particular group is Thirdgens. We start inviting people with other car, than the focus starts moving off of our preferred thing. While it's a cool idea, and really makes no difference, it's all good!

 

I voted yes, mainly because we're not "thirdgen.whatever", we all live in the PNW, in the Cascades, and we all have an affinity gravitating toward the greatest cars ever made!! However, I think that the site should be partitioned into different sections mainly for ease of navigation.

Personally, I really, really, really want another '78 T/A, so I'm always keeping an eye out!!

I think what you are proposing is a good idea, but for the :hail: webmasters, it will be quite a bit of work! To counter Stephanie: You might want to solicit the Western Washington Firebirds (WWF) members for additions to the 'Crew' They have a big following.

Hope this helps!

P.S. Not meaning to be an ******* or anything, but I think there should be a separate member status, like 'Honorary member' or 'Sponsored member', for people who want to be with us as far as association, but don't actually live here! If you can't at least SEE the Cascades... excepting of course, the folks FROM here, but are temporarily displaced (thinking of poor Jon!!)

 

Hey, Poncho, do you know if they have a website? I may look 'em up . Oh and I agree on keeping boards seperated, would create a big mess and we shouldn't screw up a good thing.

 

OK, let's try this again...

On my other post, I got confused (imagine that! ) and just now realized that we ARE on a thirdgen.whatever. Therefore, I will amend my opinion that this site should remain for 3rd gen cars. However, our 'home' site, CascadeCrew should be open for all the different years.

Steph: the site is:
http://www.geocities.com/~lobird/

Hope this helps...

 

well this is a tough one for me, of course i would like to hang out with all the other f-body generations, but there is something about a thirdgen only group that makes it really neat. i mean it wouldn't matter either way to me, no matter what happens (short of lance hitting on me ) i am going to stay in the CC.

 

If I read that right he's asking about opening up the crew.

My not so humble opinion (also as one of the domain owners of cascadecrew.org) not that it matters much since the crew is a "By the people, for the people" and I'll bow to the majority in the end anyway.

I'm not really into the idea that much. The crew was formed as a group of third gen owners. The site is there for us to have a place to call home where we can have camaraderie among like minded individuals. I wouldn't mind having a sister crew for other gens and having massive gatherings once in a while but opening up the crew to all F-bodies could make the "one big family" feeling that I get from everybody become a thing of the past.

If it's still a topic we can discuss it in depth with the major participating members at the gathering.

-Mike

 

Well, I didn't quite mean opening it up accross the board.every where. just out where I am.. everyone here may not even use the CC website. So me being part of the Cascade Crew, and opening it up out here doesn't bother everyone. Thats all I really need to know. The only reason I want to open it up to all out here is because so many thirdgen owners don't seem to have much interest in grouping together and hanging out.sucks.. so many nice ones out here too. But I have seen some interest from the other F-Bodys..

 

I think that the subject is something that will need to be discussed at the gathering since the majority of the members who actively participate will be there in person and it's only 2 weeks away.

Once the gathering is over we can revisit the subject and let everybody know the attendees feelings on the subject. Then would be a more appropriate to answer your question.

They're still welcome to visit the boards and register we're not that exclusive

 

I'm with Mike on this one for the most part. While I don't mind a few owners of the other gen's mixed in, opening it fully to be an all gen crew makes me uneasy... I just see it getting 'too big' and the current family atomosphere going bye bye with the influx :shrug:

 

I'd say it should stay strictly thirdgen, but we have a 4thgen owner as an admin... lot of good that does

just my opinion, I know the three of you don't really care at this point, but the family atmosphere of cascade died when you try to take a persons individuality away from them and ban "family" ... good job there.


Cascade was based on those who owned 3rdgens to get together and have fun. The entire point of us having a place away from 3GO/TGO was so we could have a place to shoot the shyt, let loose and have fun while still get our normal discussions underway and done without too much hassle from other groups and outsiders. Accept all, and do not descriminate because someone is different. Thats what the entire appeal of Cascade is (or atleast was) to people.

So marketting Cascade is questionable, especially with the suggestion of opening it to other members.

There has ALWAYS been a family atmosphere, regardless of whatever anyone does on the boards. That has never been in question. Cascade is based off of people who are different. All religions/lack there of, shapes, sizes, colors, sexual preferences, types of thirdgens, etc were accepted and never before was it questioned when someone stated their opinion or their lifestyle or whatever. Now, its become a place of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy with a few people.

Cascade has never been "just about cars" ... its a group of friends who can be ok with others regardless of their choices in life or whatever.

Hell, even at gatherings, its never been "just about cars" like the majority of other groups have. Its about PEOPLE. If a person can't have their thirdgen there for a reason, its ok, just as long as the person is ther. Same used to go for the boards as well. Not everything has to be about cars in a car club, never really has been in Cascade. And you can't say that it is, because the only time my car has been at a gathering was the ones I hosted and no one really cared too much otherwise. No one asked "Oh, you big stupidass, why isn't your car here too?" ...


Anyway... the group originated as 3rdgen and personally I think it should stay this way. simple reasoning. We have a lot more to live up to than the rest as 3rdgenners. We're stuck between the new fancy shyt and the oldschool performance and slump of the performance, between the 10 years of our cars, we've got both ends more or less. Theres something special with 3rdgens and you can't deny that. As much as I like the rest of the generations... they have their places as well and its not with cascade. They're with things where all 4 can be recognized equally, like the all camaro shows or the western washington firebird club and clubs that were based off of all or most of the generations to begin with. Aside from these get togethers, more often than not, the groups tend to stay away from the other generation groups because of the attitudes that go with them.

just my few pennies I guess...

 

You do have some good points. I have not put anything out yet, I could try and see hoe many "thirdgen" owners are actually out there and may be interested. Part of me would rather it just be thirdgens also. So I'll probably stick to that area and see what happens.. I just wanted to see all your opinions where on this subject.. Thanks

 

it is something that will probably need some real discusion at the gathering. because as the crew grows we are going to have to consider this and other ideas that people bring in. right now i reallyy like the 3rdgen only family feel of it, but the bigger it grows the less family like it feels sometimes, because i don't know everyone as well as i did at one time, so maybe it is time for us to think of a way to keep the 3rdgen family feel, but also broaded our appeal, and find a way to start including more f-body owners.

 

1, No your wrong there. It's more than 3 of us that don't care.

2, We'll see if the family atmosphere improves in the next 14 days.

3, Your not helping your case here.

4, Individuality was never taken away. The only thing that was asked was for you to obey the forum rules and keep everything G rated.


Now that I've said what I was unable to before I'm adding you to the ignore fuction here also. I refuse to argue about your being banned, it was done and you will serve your sentence without harassing the guards. If I had my druthers you'd be unable to harass the victims here too.

-Mike

 

Speaking from a CRCC member view, I've had more fun with our 3rd Gen family than I have with my CRCC family, one of all generations. Blue 502 just happens to be a part of CRCC, he's the one who told me about TGO/3GO and CC and he was my first contact with another 3rd Genner! We go to more outtings as CC, and I truely love the goup of folks we have.

Most of the Crew is of the younger generations though I see more late 20's and 30'ish folks joining, and now more females, making it more comfortable to converse with online. The younger crowd can learn from us old Genners, having owned our cars longer than most of the younger ones, and vice versa!

I also think we should stay 3rd Gen in a way, but look at where Camaro went. It's gone.. we gotta hang on to what we got, young and old folks.

 

Gee, imagine that... trying to shut me up on TGO already... can't say I'm surprised

my being banned isn't in question, I was just stating a fact... but if you want to be an arsehole and argue about it, fine.

Yes, Individuality was taken away, and if you recall, I was asked to keep it PG, not G. a breast with no nipple is considered PG (but its fine you don't realize that... even 5 yearolds see more nipple than whats in that picture)

You are not the leader of Cascade, Mike, no one is. Cascade was founded on not having one or more people who are the "presidents" or whatever you'd like to call yourselves.

So stop acting like you're *** when it comes to Cascade, you're not, you're just as equal as every last member of cascade just as Jess and Joe are as well. If you can't be seen as equals or do not treat people as equals, then you're starting to twist was Cascade was founded on.

Aaron

 

Yeah, because we all know my owning a 4th gen makes me a bad person right?

Grow up man, just grow up.

If you want to dwell on it then fine, have fun. But just grow up. :lala:

Perhaps if you spent more time working on becoming a better person instead of constantly bickering you would be a happier person.

And thats my two pennies.

-Roshambo

 

Well I see this has gone off the topic.. so I guess this thread is over with. I have decided to stick with Thirdgen only.. and see how many might show (if at all).. Thanks for the Input everyone.

 

did I say it made you a bad person?
no
I just said that "I'd say it should stay strictly thirdgen, but we have a 4thgen owner as an admin... lot of good that does"

You obviously didn't catch the meaning that it wasn't just strictly thirdgen anymore...

And what subject, exactly, do you want me to grow up on Joseph? hmm?

Is it such a hard thing to accept someone who is different? Someone who doesn't necessarilly share the same views on life, religion, happiness, etc.

You talk about growing up, yet I tell you I'll change something in an hour, then you break up a friendship, just because I spent a few minutes arguing with you and trying to work on the house? So what happens? I argue you with you more because you don't drop it and accept the fact that I need to work on the house, the guy leaves, and you don't give two ********* about setting the work on the house back at all. You were so hell bent on me changing a stupid picture you didn't even realize that I was telling you I had to go, and when I did, you just kept going on your spiel and I had to get some tools out of my room and glanced at it and commented and walked off again.

You whined about me not responding when I was working on the house.

A tiny little picture that I could have fixed in 5 minutes an hour later when I was done working on the house is NOT more important than working on the house. Yet you made it into a huge ordeal like I had some control over how you'd react and you wanted it done then and there. So I wasted my time talking to you telling you I'd do it later when I could actually concentrate on putting something else in its place.

You said keep it PG.
I kept it PG.

Is that how you want me to grow up Joe? You want me to dump my responsibilities just to edit a goddamn picture that has all the nudity of a DISNEY CARTOON!?

You don't think that working on the house and staying away from my computer and working with friends isn't changing myself for the better? What the hell are you smoking?

You think I go to NA meetings to feel lost lonely and depressed? or do you think I go so I can better myself and get things I need to get done finished and over with and get my problems behind me.

I've been plenty happy the last year, even with the bouts of depression every normal human being has from time to time, I've done a lot more for myself and I've been feeling that much better about my life.

Does it chage my views on religion? NO. Those will never change. There are certain things that are an integral part of my car and they go with the theme and how I've envisioned my car for quite some time. Some may view it as satanic, yadda yadda yadda, and some may actually think "Well hey, he might have something there".

Does it change my views on how Cascaded used to be? Not at all. Up till a couple of months ago, no one EVER had problems with my signatures or pictures or various random spewings of insanity. Thats what I thought Cascade was about, a place where everyone no matter how varied their differences are, can still be viewed as an equal. When you or others say "thank god" or things like that, you don't see me getting all pissy do ya. Now before you to tell me to grow up about that whole thank *** thing, why don't you realize that its not for everyone and not everyone reacts the same way.

I'm living my life the way I see fit. I promote no religion whatsoever regardless of what you may think with the user name of Demon or the 666 or whatever. the 666 thing has been around quite a long time, its got more meaning than what everyone thinks it does... its got a personal meaning and its damn sure got meaning for my Camaro.

I've grown with Cascade, You've all grown with me. I've never turned a single person down, and I've more or less changed along with how the group changes. But everyone has their differences and regardless I still accept every person and their differences no matter if they offend me or not. I've kept an open mind with EVERY last person who has come across Cascade either to stay or just to take a peak, and I have never turned away someone who was different than I just because they rubbed me the wrong way.

Jay and I had a little fun on the board and we got warned for being ourselves and doing what otherwise would have been normal in Cascade before not too long ago.

Not everyone agrees with everyone, that much is obvious. I told you I'd do the sig pic and I had planned to keep my word on that.

I have my morals, you have yours, and I've done a damn good job of keeping myself in check. Getting into a tissy because I don't know how anyone will react to Bettie Page in a sig pic and not giving me the credibility to keep my word to fix the sig pic when I finish with a current project wasn't exactly in my control nor was it in yours. Do I know that people are going to be offended by a 666? Do I know people will scream bloody murder if I put a comedians quote as a sig for a little while? No... because no one aside from 2 or 3 people and always the same 2 or 3 people are the only ones who bring it up with me. And the people I ask are always fine with it. And some things I ask quite a few people about.

I keep my mind open to everything, regardless of how stubborn you think I am with things, I put quite a lot of thought into things before I do them. You requested I change my sig from the 666, I did so. What do I get? One of you three logs in as me and turns off my auto-sig option. Has happened more than once.

So maybe I'm not the only one who has to do some growing up around here.

 

While I cant respond to the entire bible you wrote I can respond to this little portion.

By growing up I mean: Open your eyes and realize when you are in the wrong. In this case all you are doing is digging yourself deeper and deeper.

I ended the whole friendship thing because you dont treat us (especially Jess and I) when we try to talk to you like friends. You talk to us like the kid who just got told not to do something and you dont listen. Thats why I have lost alot of respect for you, and I know Im not the only one. If you just listened for once you would make things about a hundred times easier on yourself and I wouldnt end up after every conversation we have had in the last couple months shaking my head and wondering what was going to happen next.

That being said, I apologize Fast Electrics of mucking up your post with this...

Im not going to lock this because I think it is a worth while post. So Aaron, if you want to continue this you know where to reach me.

-Roshambo

 

YEAH like asking Mark when the last time he saw his PECKER is really G rated

Sounds hypocrytical to me

Keeping with the topic at hand, I 'd rater see the Crew stick mostly to 3rd Gens myself (the occasional 1/2/4gen owner is ok) ..... I have no problems with the other gens but my interests are focused on what I have

 

You know Scooter.... This isn't CC so I can tell you to bite me

I'm on MSN right now if you have an issue.

 

actually technically mike, this IS part of CC, so if the rules apply Cascade as a whole, this board is included

 

Not true, aaron. This is part of TGO not CC.org and I'm not a mod here either. Besides who are you to tell any of the admin/mods at CC.org the rules, I'm extremely familliar with them. I did in all factuality help write them.

Same thing for you, I'm on MSN right now if you have an issue.

 

Nope, I've already stooped to a level unbecoming to myself... It's not in my nature. If you want to be a hypocrite that's your right, doesn't have to mean I agree :shrug:

My last .02 on the subject

 

I think you guys should let import ppl in as long as they are cool like me


well that and they have to have a strong interest in thirdgens

 

actually i thought the post mike made about the last time i saw my pecker was funny... maybe if my response had been ...*talks with fat bastard accent* "I havent seen mua pecker in 2 years...thats long enough to consider it legally dead"...maybe you guys would have found it more funny..? jeezuz everyone take a damn chill pill seriously..all he was doing was pokin fun at me..big deal...i take it with a grain of salt.. i didnt take it seriously..i dont know why some of you have? and i have no comment on the aaron thing

 

I'm not taking sides here because if I do somebody'll get pissed off at me (you know who you are), but you both need to chill.

JOE I think it was a joke when Aaron said "I'd say it should stay strictly thirdgen, but we have a 4thgen owner as an admin... lot of good that does"

AARON You need to lay off the bitching about getting banned. I know it pisses you off. It pisses me off too, but the more you talk about it the more everybody gets mad.

Don't whine about me getting involved.

 

let em get mad, i'm not bitching, I don't care, I don't question it.

I use it as an example for Double Standards.

theres a difference. :lala:

 

Nah, dont worry about it. I dunno how it is that this post didnt become locked since it also turned into a pissing match.. big surprise there.

Anyways, congrats on getting your permit, that is a step in the right direction! Now, take all those pop cans in and save up the money for a car... thats one of the ways I was able to get my 82 Z28.

On that note, I must please request *ahem* certain people refrain from negative flame bait style posting. This post still has potential to proceed in a positive manner, lets try to do that.

-Roshambo

 

Wow, how do good posts turn into soap operas?? Come on guys!


I'm going back to the original post subject! I voted yes, all gens should be accepted, but I agree that they should be "honorary" members, or "sponsored". I love all gens of f-bodies, I want a 69 SOOOOOOOO bad! But I also agree that there is something about it being an all 3rd gen crew that is REALLY neat! So, I'm kinda torn on the subject. All in all, with reading all points from everyone........I think CC should stay 3rd gens. However, we DO have a 4th gen owner (love ya Joe! ), but he was also a 3rd gen owner when he joined. Anyway, that is my .02 cents. SO, in conclusion, Fast Electrics, I wouldn't mind people who are interested with other gens to come by and hang out on our boards, but they should be sponsored or honorary. Thanks for putting it out to us for all opinions!

Roger

 

My seniments, EXACTLY! ROFLMAO!!!!!!

 

well hey you guys want to just think of my car as a f-bod

I mean it looks kinda close





thanks roshambo

 

GAWD DAMN!!!!!! That thing is FUGLY!!!!!!!!

 

GAWD DAMN!!!!!! That thing is FUGLY!!!!!!!!
Why is G-O-D censored? doesn't make any sense

 

not my fault a rx-7 and a f-bod, both being really sweet looking cars create some of the ugliest offspring there is

 

no it's not your fault that it's ugly. but it is your fault that you keep bringing it up