Trux

Hey I finally scanned every 3rd gen thing I have kept since I had my car. hope you like this.

GofasterFirebird

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That has been posted before.

Trux

had not seen it before, sorry

89ProchargedROC

i've got the article on that car......i think it was ran a recorded 250.XX top speed

Trux

If you don't have a scanner or something I understand

RMK

RSCamaroGuy92

Wonder what's gonna happen when those kids hit that car????

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!

EvilCartman

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McLaren F1 top speed 257 mph, stock. :hail:

RMK

Actually it's 240mph with the mirrors removed.

Synapsis

I can't see spending that kinda money for a car like that unless you're going to land speed records. I mean seriously, do you really think you'll get up to over 200 on the interstate for long?

Give me accelleration! Something I can use on the way to work! :rockon:

89ProchargedROC

In the article he built the car to beat the pants off of many of the hi po SCCA cars

he was also know for taking people's money out in california for racing them in the twisties and taking unsuspecting porshce owners moneys

Synapsis

That I can understand. It's a good investment at that point.

paul_huryk

I agree with synapsis, worth it for that alone. Then again, a lot of the modified cars on this board would make a mockery out of anything that came out of Stutgart.

I don't think the car is worth $145k though, could build one yourself for less: 1300hp motor: $40k, suspension $5k...

Maybe $75k

Metalifann

The McLaren only goes 240 mph? That doesn't seem very fast. There's a guy that works accross the street that has a c4 vette that has gone 253 on only nine lbs. of boost, and he did that years ago. In fact, his vette hit 250 before Ligenfelter did. And Ligenfelter used nitrous.

Synapsis

Unless it's a twin turbo Porsche, they don't have very much get up n go at all. A former co-worker has two Porsches (in his carpeted garage ) and I've run against both of them at stoplights. They're N/A with dual 3 throat Webers, 3.2L flat 6. I had a car on him by 40 mph, back when I drove my VW every day. (~1600 lb car, 140 horse 2.1L. )

Doesn't the McLaren go 240 N/A? I'd say that's pretty damn impressive. Can't really compare a stock car against one you bolted a turbo (or 2) on. Personally, whoever goes faster, cheaper, wins.

RMK

I agree. I also think it's more impressive when you take a car like a 3rd gen or even a 'Vette that would do 150mph (3rd gen) and make it do over 240mph compared to being given a blank check and a room full of engineers to build one.

Is there a web site that more info on this car? I seem to remember seeing one somewhere, but can't remember where

Rob

streetrunner

Hoiwd he do those front ground effects and does anyone have any specs? Its looks clean.

What does that car run ion the 1/4? can it beat the F1? I think that the F1 is a better car than that 3rd gen. There is a big difference between making a car perfoerm really well than having a stock car doing what that modded car can do. I have a few friends with vipers and NSX's. They all say the same thing. When a car is built like that from the factory you know it can do it and do it wih confidence. I think that if your gunna build a hot performing street car then you should build it to handle, stop, and accelerate. Handle like its on rails, accelerate like a jet, and stop on dime and deliver 8 cents change. (my moto) That will be the ultimate car. Thats why i say the F1 is better.

B4Ctom1

who says you cant outrun motorola, I think even the bell jet ranger helecopter that they would try to call only tops out around 200 mph. he-he

RMK

Well that's obvious, but as previously stated the 3rd gen wasn't designed from the factory to do the things that the car in quaestion does. If you're going to compare like that compare like for like.

Exactly, and hence why this comparison isn't like for like.

The Mclaren is one of the fastest in a straight line, which is what it was designed for. But in the real world a Ferrari F50 would leave it for dead. I've seen it done. The Mclaren has no downforce compared to the F50 and at high speed it gets way out of shape in the twisties trying to hang with the F50. Again, simmilar cars but each with their own advantage. Better to compare these than one of these to a 3rd gen.

Astro

Lets put it this way. I can build a better car than a mclaren for less than $890,000 (US price). The only thing i wouldnt have is the name, and thats all you pay for with the super expensive cars. Why waste the money?

EvilCartman

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Doh! I was 10 mph off, it's 247 mph... I've got a video of one doing a top speed run. Hehe wonder what one would do after some modifications.

89camaroRSV6

what mods can one possibly do to a car like that ...maybe add 2 wings on the sides ..and u have a plane....lol

i thought that the Mclaren was originally made for the Lemans...isnt it supposed to handle better than teh F50??

Bird_of_Prey

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McLaren F1 top speed 257 mph, stock.
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who says you cant outrun motorola, I think even the bell jet ranger helecopter that they would try to call only tops out around 200 mph. he-he



heh.. a car like that could come in handy..

Trux

I know the mcalren does not handle as well as the f50. I have movies on how each is build if anyone wants them. The Mclaren is build for a softer right. The f50 is build like a race car. teh mclaren has alot of body roll.

89camaroRSV6

i had a good look @ that ad...man $145000...i think its a little too much for that car...

Mark A Shields

Sorry to say, but what a piece of junk.
For $147k, I can get a TT Ling. Vette,

9.24 1/4
1.97 0-60 mph
0-100-0 in about 8 seconds

and top speed over 227mph.

Now that's a car.

Trux

They are top gear movies. The Mclaren movie is in more detail about how they are made. The F50 just goes threw teh suspension, the f50 is mainly about it drag racing the ferarri formula car.

You can download them at http://24.93.137.129/car.htm

If you do not want to download I could send you a CD but I would only want to do that as a last resort.

89camaroRSV6

or maybe a couple of Z06's...

RMK

Trux

You are correct about the F50 handling better than the Mclaren. That's what is was built for.

As for the top speed, Gordon Murray stated to the press that the car would do 236mph but with the mirrors removed they managed to hit 240mph. Straght from the horses mouth. I have him saying it on video also on 2 different occasions.


Mark,

You have the right ide with the TT Vette. Far more practicle car in my opinion and I'm sure that the services don't cost $37,000.

Rob

SpeedCat86

Old post, sorry........but:

Both of these cars came in to production at about the same time, and feature similar (extreme) performance, V-12 engines, and Carbon-fiber bodies. They competed for buyers, but were never intended to meet on the track.......

The MacLaren F1 was built as Gordon Murray's ultimate design expression. The Ultimate Road Car, if you will. A racing car has to conform to the rule books of it sanctioning body, so there are some limits. The street F1 can use things like venturi underbodies and active spoilers (they deploy under braking), that is banned in almost every racing series. If you look, the '95 F1 LM race cars featured extended tails and extra wings to make up for some of the things that had to be left in the garage to be race-legal.

The Ferarri F50 is a homologation special. In 1994, Ferrari wanted to get back into championship sports car racing, so it took its Formula 1 V-10, and added two more cylinders for the classic V-12 layout. This engine was mounted in a purpose-built carbon fiber chassis, the F333 SP. Current rules for Factory Prototype racers said they had to use an engine from a production road car. The FIA was going to ban the F333 because of it's F1 derived engine, when Ferarri said, 'Wait! We are going to build a road car with this engine'. That car was the F50. So the rule-makers looked the other way, while the F333 SP went racing, and Ferrari developed the F50. The F50 is basically an F1 car with two seats and fenders, an F333 SP with a roof.

As an interesting aside, the F333 SP still continues to compete as a privateer entry in the Grand Am series. These days the V-12 is illegal, so the car uses a V-10 derived (I believe) from the Renault/Benneton Formula 1 engine. Impressive that an eight year old car can still compete in the top ranks of Sports Car racing.

The MacLaren F1 went on to set the record for 0-100-0, at around 11.7 seconds, in late 1999.

(Times like this are why I have those huge stacks of Road&Track, etc. beside my desk)

johndo1707

i dont care, they're hot!!!!!!!:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

89Irocz23

I heard some where that the maclaren doesnt have power steering..now that would suck in a car like that with the size of tires it had.

CHRISMAN2000

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I remember seeing that car a one like it for sale in Dupont.
If I remember correctly the add said embarras a viper at half the price.
Cool. I know I need at 150 MPH to get to work cause ones you lose the morons they try and follow you.

Trux

I scanned a pic of that camaro also. It was not a third gen. It is a 1996 supercharged lt1 with a water cooler if I remember correctly. I will look for the scan but I know what you are talking about is not a 3rd gen.

Trux

umm

Acceld Z

That car (thirdgen) is basically a Porsche suspension and tube frame with a thirdgen body draped over top. The splayed valve valve GTP engine is pretty cool as well. I have the article scanned if someone wants to host it.

CHRISMAN2000

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I think it was for a thirdgen. Either I'm wrong or the guy just used the same line. But I remember seeing that car in dupont though(thirdgen).

Trux

I read (look threw) du ponte alot and I do not remember seeing many third gens but I could be wrong. This was hte only article I ever remember using that line.

Trux

an article about the gtp engine?

like they have in the buicks and grand prixes?

I can host it for a while, could you email me it.

grimreaper51@yahoo.com

thanks
:hail: :hail: :hail:

Acceld Z

Lol, no it's not a Buick 3.8L I'll send it out tomorrow morning. It's pretty much a Winston Cup engine built using all the goodies.

BONES LB9

i remember that white camaro was up for sell in the dupont. i wish i could just get the suspension. the motor was like a 400 ci built by a nascar engine builder. it most be nice to have crazy money like that.

mikesstkiroc

theres always nos (which i would never use in any car period) if you look under kazza under images there is a mclaren with nos. i couldn't show it the file was to big for this board. And there is also a video of the 241 mph world record run from inside the car while it was being driven to 241 mph(also on kazza but under videos) Check them both out. If you don't have Kazza you will have to download it first takes about 5 min. with dsl by verizon.

Trux

I found a pic of that "mclaren with nos" It is a horrible picture. does not show much

I will convert it and upload what I found.

Trux

does not show much

mikesstkiroc

it is still a mclaren with nos

spazdout

those aren't NOS bottles, McLaren won't let you do anything to those cars at all, for 1.2 million dollars you get to loan the car from them, theres only around 100 of those cars built in the world 2-4 of them have been totaled out in racing accidents.

And an F1 can beat an F50, why do you think that when the f1 was in production, it won every championship that it competed in.

Trux

no offense but I am pretty sure the people who paid for the cars were not renting them. If they were I dought they would pay 30,000 for a tune up.

Also, if you could afford the car in teh first place, you can probably afford to do anything else you want to do to it, including nitrous, who the hell calls it NOS?

:lala:

mikesstkiroc

McLaren can't tell you what you can and can't do with the car. They will still get the money from you even if you did crash the car. It's a loan from them it doesn't mean they can tell you what to do with it. Its your car. And if it's not nitrous what is it then.

RMK

It's part of the exhaust system, that's what it is.

streetrunner

its nitrous!!!!!! NOS is a brand name. It is not what the N2O is. NOS is Nitrous Oxide Systems. Please dont be like those ricers,"I need NAHHZZZ!".